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[The_XBL_Nihilus]

Refara wrote...

No. Dragon Age 2 did that for me.

agreed, mass effect 3 just helped me see how far bioware has fallen since selling us out for EA.

[crimzontearz]

The_XBL_Nihilus wrote...

Refara wrote...

No. Dragon Age 2 did that for me.

agreed, mass effect 3 just helped me see how far bioware has fallen since selling us out for EA.

they did not sell us out


 
The buyout was not  a deal, thanks that Riccitello Bioware had no choice

[D1ck1e]

Yep

[Ryoten]

txgoldrush wrote...

And no, I lost trust in Bioware's fans.

Bioware's fans seem to only want Bioware to use the same formula, to play it safe, to have the most populist story elements, and to not have to make tough decisions.

Bioware does NOT have to give you everything you want. They do NOT have to make RPGs all the time. They do NOT have to follow the same formula.

In fact, they handled the Extended Cut well, they laid down the line, saying that they cannot and will not please everybody. You either like it or you don't...deal with it.

The only one stuck in a bubble is you, because you refuse to accept what anyone else says about BioWare as a permissable excuse.   You think that you are the advocat, the messiah, the judge jurry and executioner for what bioware is and isnt.  Anyone who disagress with you is wrong.  You are just a mirror of the community because you do exactly what you claim the community does only in defense of bioware and not against it.  But this in fact makes you worse.  Why?

Because you're SO loyal, that BioWare could literally sell you a horrible piece of junk (and they have with DA2), and you would smile and see it as the gentle caress of biowares hands on your balls.  The majority has spoken, and the fans see the game as worse then its predicessors.  And no "buy into bribe" magazine is going to change that.  Innovation?  please.  Because Kai Leng was such a philisophical and innovative new enemy added to the game, am i right? 

If BioWare told you the sky was red, would you believe them?  I bet you would.


txgoldrush = http://www.urbandict...erm=egotistical

Modifié par Ryoten, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:53 .

[archangel1996]

Yes

[Persephone]

Zjarcal wrote...

Why would it when it's actually my favorite product of theirs so far?

[darthnick427]

Meh not really.

[The_XBL_Nihilus]

There is always a choice. Face it. Bioware is not losing sleep over the bundles of cash they have thanks to their loyal (and now betrayed) fans.

[Persephone]

The_XBL_Nihilus wrote...

There is always a choice. Face it. Bioware is not losing sleep over the bundles of cash they have thanks to their loyal (and now betrayed) fans.

They are welcome to my money. Except for Omega, that was meh to me. Don't feel "betrayed" whatsoever.

[txgoldrush]

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And no, I lost trust in Bioware's fans.

Bioware's fans seem to only want Bioware to use the same formula, to play it safe, to have the most populist story elements, and to not have to make tough decisions.

Bioware does NOT have to give you everything you want. They do NOT have to make RPGs all the time. They do NOT have to follow the same formula.

In fact, they handled the Extended Cut well, they laid down the line, saying that they cannot and will not please everybody. You either like it or you don't...deal with it.

The only one stuck in a bubble is you, because you refuse to accept what anyone else says about BioWare as a permissable excuse.   You think that you are the advocat, the messiah, the judge jurry and executioner for what bioware is and isnt.  Anyone who disagress with you is wrong.  You are just a mirror of the community because you do exactly what you claim the community does only in defense of bioware and not against it.  But this in fact makes you worse.  Why?

Because you're SO loyal, that BioWare could literally sell you a horrible piece of junk (and they have with DA2), and you would smile and see it as the gentle caress of biowares hands on your balls.  The majority has spoken, and the fans see the game as worse then its predicessors.  And no "buy into bribe" magazine is going to change that.  Innovation?  please.  Because Kai Leng was such a philisophical and innovative new enemy added to the game, am i right? 

If BioWare told you the sky was red, would you believe them?  I bet you would.


txgoldrush = http://www.urbandict...erm=egotistical

Wrong

How am I loyal to Bioware when I consider their very past, the ones heralded by many, as completely overrated?

Can you prove that the ME3 reviews were bribed? Because if you can't, you are talking out of your ass. Could it be the most obvious reason, that reviewers liked the game despite its flaws? To you it can't be, because ME3 has to be bad, it just has to fit your pint of view despite evidence on the contrary...this is why you are so ignorant. You ignore clear facts that state this game was a success.

[Ryoten]

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And no, I lost trust in Bioware's fans.

Bioware's fans seem to only want Bioware to use the same formula, to play it safe, to have the most populist story elements, and to not have to make tough decisions.

Bioware does NOT have to give you everything you want. They do NOT have to make RPGs all the time. They do NOT have to follow the same formula.

In fact, they handled the Extended Cut well, they laid down the line, saying that they cannot and will not please everybody. You either like it or you don't...deal with it.

The only one stuck in a bubble is you, because you refuse to accept what anyone else says about BioWare as a permissable excuse.   You think that you are the advocat, the messiah, the judge jurry and executioner for what bioware is and isnt.  Anyone who disagress with you is wrong.  You are just a mirror of the community because you do exactly what you claim the community does only in defense of bioware and not against it.  But this in fact makes you worse.  Why?

Because you're SO loyal, that BioWare could literally sell you a horrible piece of junk (and they have with DA2), and you would smile and see it as the gentle caress of biowares hands on your balls.  The majority has spoken, and the fans see the game as worse then its predicessors.  And no "buy into bribe" magazine is going to change that.  Innovation?  please.  Because Kai Leng was such a philisophical and innovative new enemy added to the game, am i right? 

If BioWare told you the sky was red, would you believe them?  I bet you would.


txgoldrush = http://www.urbandict...erm=egotistical

Wrong

How am I loyal to Bioware when I consider their very past, the ones heralded by many, as completely overrated?

Can you prove that the ME3 reviews were bribed? Because if you can't, you are talking out of your ass. Could it be the most obvious reason, that reviewers liked the game despite its flaws? To you it can't be, because ME3 has to be bad, it just has to fit your pint of view despite evidence on the contrary...this is why you are so ignorant. You ignore clear facts that state this game was a success.

I could say the exact same thing about everything you preech.  You are an egotisitcal maniac who is just as ignorant and more so gullable, and you should be locked away so you cant impeed on civilization.

[Iakus]

Guystxgoldrush is just trolling, trying to get a rise out of you so the thread will get locked. Don't take the bait.

[txgoldrush]

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And no, I lost trust in Bioware's fans.

Bioware's fans seem to only want Bioware to use the same formula, to play it safe, to have the most populist story elements, and to not have to make tough decisions.

Bioware does NOT have to give you everything you want. They do NOT have to make RPGs all the time. They do NOT have to follow the same formula.

In fact, they handled the Extended Cut well, they laid down the line, saying that they cannot and will not please everybody. You either like it or you don't...deal with it.

The only one stuck in a bubble is you, because you refuse to accept what anyone else says about BioWare as a permissable excuse.   You think that you are the advocat, the messiah, the judge jurry and executioner for what bioware is and isnt.  Anyone who disagress with you is wrong.  You are just a mirror of the community because you do exactly what you claim the community does only in defense of bioware and not against it.  But this in fact makes you worse.  Why?

Because you're SO loyal, that BioWare could literally sell you a horrible piece of junk (and they have with DA2), and you would smile and see it as the gentle caress of biowares hands on your balls.  The majority has spoken, and the fans see the game as worse then its predicessors.  And no "buy into bribe" magazine is going to change that.  Innovation?  please.  Because Kai Leng was such a philisophical and innovative new enemy added to the game, am i right? 

If BioWare told you the sky was red, would you believe them?  I bet you would.


txgoldrush = http://www.urbandict...erm=egotistical

Wrong

How am I loyal to Bioware when I consider their very past, the ones heralded by many, as completely overrated?

Can you prove that the ME3 reviews were bribed? Because if you can't, you are talking out of your ass. Could it be the most obvious reason, that reviewers liked the game despite its flaws? To you it can't be, because ME3 has to be bad, it just has to fit your pint of view despite evidence on the contrary...this is why you are so ignorant. You ignore clear facts that state this game was a success.

I could say the exact same thing about everything you preech.  You are an egotisitcal maniac who is just as ignorant and more so gullable, and you should be locked away so you cant impeed on civilization.

And you are a cancer. You embody the idiot fanbase that simply do not get it. You can't see outside your ME3 hate circle jerk on this board.

You are type of fan that Bioware should ignore because you are a cancer.

Facing facts and reality is far from egotistical. To ignore facts like you do, thats egotistical and ignorant.

[txgoldrush]

iakus wrote...

Guystxgoldrush is just trolling, trying to get a rise out of you so the thread will get locked. Don't take the bait.

Good, I can put an end to anopther whiney Mass Effect 3 bashing circle jerk.....which this thread is.

Perhaps instead of Bioware always having to listen to fans, why can't fans just suck it up and accept Bioware's way of doing things sometimes?

You can't get everything you want. I didn't. I wanted Kasumi to be a squadmate in ME3, but I didn't get it. So what?

If you don't like bioware anymore, why don't you just leave the forums?

[ioannisdenton]

Yes. I like DA2 a lot but i know it faulters. The LIES of ME prerelease , the subpar DLC for Me3 (omega and it's super hype), the Vague endings, the worst mission priority earth.
My Point of view is permanently damaged.
it is ok to release a bad game but not recognise it makes me mad.
At LEAST IN DA2 the DLC was GREAT and fixed ALL the core problems.
DA2 with the DLC is great.
Me3 with DLC is sub par.

[ioannisdenton]

txgoldrush wrote...

The whole forum is against you.
Did you really liked the BLATANT lies before the release of ME3?
About the war assets , Mp npt havbing a n impact in Sp, abpout the ABC endings, about the previous choices?
Really man?
Are you ok with that?

[txgoldrush]

ioannisdenton wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The whole forum is against you.
Did you really liked the BLATANT lies before the release of ME3?
About the war assets , Mp npt havbing a n impact in Sp, abpout the ABC endings, about the previous choices?
Really man?
Are you ok with that?

Doesn't matter anymore....they fixed them. And they took their time to do so for free. And don't tell me other gaming companies are not guilty of this as well...such as Bethesda and CDP Red did when explaining their endings as well.

And there were "lies" that turned out to be in favor of the gamer like "no new love interests"

It only seems the frorum is against me because this is another hate ME3 circle jerk thread.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:12 .

[SpamBot2000]

LinksOcarina wrote...

spirosz wrote...

ME3 was given the same development time as ME2, did it not? Yet, ME2 felt way more polished.

Actually Mass Effect 3 Got more development time.

They began Mass Effect 2 in Early 2008 after BioWare was purchased by EA, and it came out in Jan of 2010. 

Production of Mass Effect 3 began in November of 2009, and was released in March of 2012. 

So just by the dates, Mass Effect 3 had at least six months extra development time. 

On paper, they claim the same 2 years for both. ME2 from late 2007 to late 2009. ME3 Dec 2009 to Dec 2011. ME3 got an extension, it was supposed to be done for a holiday release, which would probably mean Sept. 2011 at the latest. 

Here's the thing: you have to factor in all the DLC they were making for ME2 during that same time. Just count 'em to see the difference. And Arrival was released at the end of March 2011, so they were still working on that one right through the end of 2010. And that one was written by the lead writer of ME3, to set up the beginning of the game.

[Xellith]

Stay civil or leave the thread.

[Spidey 1923]

txgoldrush wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The whole forum is against you.
Did you really liked the BLATANT lies before the release of ME3?
About the war assets , Mp npt havbing a n impact in Sp, abpout the ABC endings, about the previous choices?
Really man?
Are you ok with that?

Doesn't matter anymore....they fixed them. And they took their time to do so for free. And don't tell me other gaming companies are not guilty of this as well...such as Bethesda and CDP Red did explain their endings as well.

And there were "lies" that turned out to be in favor of the gamer like "no new love interests"

It only seems the frorum is against me because this is another hate ME3 circle jerk thread.

Whether or not they fixed it is irrevant, they lied. It doesn't matter if the lies worked in favour of gamers, they lied.  

If this thread was purely designed to hate on ME3 and not have reasonable arguments it would have been locked.

[Ryoten]

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And no, I lost trust in Bioware's fans.

Bioware's fans seem to only want Bioware to use the same formula, to play it safe, to have the most populist story elements, and to not have to make tough decisions.

Bioware does NOT have to give you everything you want. They do NOT have to make RPGs all the time. They do NOT have to follow the same formula.

In fact, they handled the Extended Cut well, they laid down the line, saying that they cannot and will not please everybody. You either like it or you don't...deal with it.

The only one stuck in a bubble is you, because you refuse to accept what anyone else says about BioWare as a permissable excuse.   You think that you are the advocat, the messiah, the judge jurry and executioner for what bioware is and isnt.  Anyone who disagress with you is wrong.  You are just a mirror of the community because you do exactly what you claim the community does only in defense of bioware and not against it.  But this in fact makes you worse.  Why?

Because you're SO loyal, that BioWare could literally sell you a horrible piece of junk (and they have with DA2), and you would smile and see it as the gentle caress of biowares hands on your balls.  The majority has spoken, and the fans see the game as worse then its predicessors.  And no "buy into bribe" magazine is going to change that.  Innovation?  please.  Because Kai Leng was such a philisophical and innovative new enemy added to the game, am i right? 

If BioWare told you the sky was red, would you believe them?  I bet you would.


txgoldrush = http://www.urbandict...erm=egotistical

Wrong

How am I loyal to Bioware when I consider their very past, the ones heralded by many, as completely overrated?

Can you prove that the ME3 reviews were bribed? Because if you can't, you are talking out of your ass. Could it be the most obvious reason, that reviewers liked the game despite its flaws? To you it can't be, because ME3 has to be bad, it just has to fit your pint of view despite evidence on the contrary...this is why you are so ignorant. You ignore clear facts that state this game was a success.

I could say the exact same thing about everything you preech.  You are an egotisitcal maniac who is just as ignorant and more so gullable, and you should be locked away so you cant impeed on civilization.

And you are a cancer. You embody the idiot fanbase that simply do not get it. You can't see outside your ME3 hate circle jerk on this board.

You are type of fan that Bioware should ignore because you are a cancer.

Facing facts and reality is far from egotistical. To ignore facts like you do, thats egotistical and ignorant.

But thats exactly what you're doing right now!!  And if im a cancer maybe you should leave before i spread to you.  Wouldn't want you to die, and make the world a better place without your neanderthal ideals.

[drayfish]

Ninja Stan wrote...

This kinda leads to another question that I'm reticent to ask, but it's related:

This kind of sentiment is brought up quite a bit, and more power to you for doing so. But for people who claim to be huge fans who had faith in the company and trusted them to release product that you wouldn't be disappointed in, sometimes all it takes is one bad product to make you change your mind.

I know I won't get a complete answer right now, but if the next Mass Effect game does what the marketing claims, is as good as the hype says it is, receives many top marks, and is said by fans to be pretty darn good, would that be enough to change your mind and restore that trust you once had? Would ME3 (and maybe DA2, if you lean that way) then be seen as statistical anomalies in BioWare's gameography, or has the trust been well and truly severed and each good, worthy game becomes but a stepping stone to restoring that faith?

@Ninja Stan's several questions:

Considering the substantial, and rather worrying cognitive dissonance many fans (myself included) perceived between the numerous pre-release promises and what was actually delivered; considering the disparity between the near-universally gushing review scores and what actually appeared in the game (the bugs, the narrative railroading, the utterly required multiplayer despite repeated assurances to the contrary, and the muddled, obscure ending – almost none of which was addressed in reviewer analysis); and taking into account the near industry-wide condemnation of any fans who dared voice their displeasure at the game; I would argue that the confidence you place in any future alignment between the press and customer satisfaction is a little fantastical. 

I have many issues with Bioware and Mass Effect 3 (which I will get to in a moment), but a good deal of other worrying issues extend into the 'games journalism' field itself, and the uncomfortable relationship that developers such as Bioware have with those people who should be holding publishers to greater account. The fact that your equation for future player satisfaction still relies upon some alignment between review scores and player experience, without anyone actually bothering to examine and correct what created such a glaring discrepancy this time around, suggests that very little – if indeed nothing – has been learned from this experience.

As for Bioware itself, although I am not sure I would categorise the sensation as the 'destruction' of some blind 'trust' I had in the company (they are, after all, a business, and I a consumer), what I did have faith in was a certain standard of product – both mechanically and narratively. Previous to ME3, every Bioware game I had played impressed me as a work of depth and expanse. Characters were well-rounded, plots (for the limitations of an RPG structure) were branching and surprising, design and programming were impeccable, all of which created an immersive world that the player could invest in. From the freedom to explore of ME1, to the multiplicity of choice and backstory and endgame in Dragon Age: Origins, to the depth of character and emotional resonance of ME2. There seemed to be a ratio of developer care to player investment that always suggested this was a team that would not cynically rush a product to market.

And so, what rather shocked me at first about ME3 was the lack of polish. 

As I said, one of the traits of Bioware games I had put faith in was a level of presentational and structural finesse.  It probably goes without saying at this point that I had (and have) not played Dragon Age 2 – so when I started ME3, the animation glitches, face import failure, and frequent dismissals of major choices from the previous games rather took me by surprise. It struck me as the kind of rushed work I attributed to other developers – not Bioware.

That the game was suddenly dismissing major decisions from the previous games (who was councillor; the death of the Racchni; the Collector Base; Shepard's entire character backstory, etc), a central component of the RPG elements continuously touted by Bioware to be at the centre of this experience for half a decade; that the game was suddenly dictating who the character of Shepard was to me, contrary to my personal input (she cares so much about 'random kid in the universe' that she will be haunted by him in naff dreams; she loved Kaiden and lamented his death, apparently); that the game severely truncated the speech options and had whole swaths of uninterrupted auto-dialogue; that it stripped away legitimate side-missions in favour of obscure, unfulfilling fetch-quests and a wholly linear narrative with little to no variation in level progression – all indicated that this game operated very differently from those that had come before it. Indeed, this was so evident that despite the frequent narrative call-backs presented, it was difficult to align this with the two games that had preceded it; with the exceptions of the Genophage arc and a good portion of the Rannoch missions, this entry seemed streamlined and narrowed to the point of losing all of the qualities that define a reactive, immersive Mass Effect experience entirely.  (That there was an 'Action mode' only cemented this feeling further.)

But all of this only disappointed me. What horrified me was the ending. 

And I am not talking about the cut corners, the deus ex machina, the illogical narrative leaps that needed to be spackled over in the EC, or the ham-fistedly on the nose religious metaphor of Shepard's sacrifice. I am talking about the moment in which it was made clear that Bioware – I presume in some misguided attempt to load an artless gravitas into the final decision tree – advocated the application of either an act of genocide, eugenic purgation, or becoming a totalitarian god. 

And it is not enough to argue, as some people have, that 'the player did not have to do any of those things – they were choices', because the game was engineered so that it could only be completed if one of those choices was made. The conflict of the entire Mass Effect sage has been about racial conflict – metaphorically presented in the violence between synthetic and organic – and the only way to end it is to employ one of three war crimes. There is no way to work together, no way to have faith in your fellow allies, no way to talk the enemy of the game down from their intolerant hate-screed. You just have to do what they ask: exterminate a race of beings because their lives are worth less than yours; ascend to the arrogant position of an unstoppably dictatorial monster; or mutate every life in the universe to have the same DNA - because that's the only way to 'peace'.

Bioware decided to use their trilogy to send a nihilistic message about to futility of struggle and hope: you can't win by believing in stupid things like diversity and inclusivity. War can only be overcome by being the one to employ the war crime for your agenda (whatever that might be). Bigotry can only be overcome by forcing your will upon others: wiping them out, forcing them to get along, or violating them to become all genetically the same.

I have literally never seen a more horrifying message offered by a piece of popular entertainment in my life. And the fact that Bioware not only published such a hateful world-view in their fiction (perverting an otherwise hopeful and wondrous narrative in the process), but then after the fact became so aggressively protective of it – announcing themselves bewildered that fans could not appreciate their cynical vision and conceding only to expand the point they had made without explanation or compromise, has led me to believe that either Bioware is so blinded by hubris that they are incapable of actually taking responsibility for the implications of their fiction, or truly do have a vision of the world that stands fundamentally and profoundly opposed to my own. 

Either way though, it is near impossible to see that gaping fissure being overcome by a few good reviews from fans and press next time (they were hardly indicative this time around anyway). To me the company Bioware is either narcissistically blind or so filled with a need to spout angsty, intolerant drivel, that their future texts will ultimately have little I want to engage with to say anyway.

Modifié par drayfish, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:59 .

[txgoldrush]

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

And no, I lost trust in Bioware's fans.

Bioware's fans seem to only want Bioware to use the same formula, to play it safe, to have the most populist story elements, and to not have to make tough decisions.

Bioware does NOT have to give you everything you want. They do NOT have to make RPGs all the time. They do NOT have to follow the same formula.

In fact, they handled the Extended Cut well, they laid down the line, saying that they cannot and will not please everybody. You either like it or you don't...deal with it.

The only one stuck in a bubble is you, because you refuse to accept what anyone else says about BioWare as a permissable excuse.   You think that you are the advocat, the messiah, the judge jurry and executioner for what bioware is and isnt.  Anyone who disagress with you is wrong.  You are just a mirror of the community because you do exactly what you claim the community does only in defense of bioware and not against it.  But this in fact makes you worse.  Why?

Because you're SO loyal, that BioWare could literally sell you a horrible piece of junk (and they have with DA2), and you would smile and see it as the gentle caress of biowares hands on your balls.  The majority has spoken, and the fans see the game as worse then its predicessors.  And no "buy into bribe" magazine is going to change that.  Innovation?  please.  Because Kai Leng was such a philisophical and innovative new enemy added to the game, am i right? 

If BioWare told you the sky was red, would you believe them?  I bet you would.


txgoldrush = http://www.urbandict...erm=egotistical

Wrong

How am I loyal to Bioware when I consider their very past, the ones heralded by many, as completely overrated?

Can you prove that the ME3 reviews were bribed? Because if you can't, you are talking out of your ass. Could it be the most obvious reason, that reviewers liked the game despite its flaws? To you it can't be, because ME3 has to be bad, it just has to fit your pint of view despite evidence on the contrary...this is why you are so ignorant. You ignore clear facts that state this game was a success.

I could say the exact same thing about everything you preech.  You are an egotisitcal maniac who is just as ignorant and more so gullable, and you should be locked away so you cant impeed on civilization.

And you are a cancer. You embody the idiot fanbase that simply do not get it. You can't see outside your ME3 hate circle jerk on this board.

You are type of fan that Bioware should ignore because you are a cancer.

Facing facts and reality is far from egotistical. To ignore facts like you do, thats egotistical and ignorant.

But thats exactly what you're doing right now!!  And if im a cancer maybe you should leave before i spread to you.  Wouldn't want you to die, and make the world a better place without your neanderthal ideals.

Nope, I am not the one ignoring clear facts that contradict my position.

Please explain to me than how the critical reception of Mass Effect 3 is different than the reception Dragon Age 2 got.....because your accusation of bribery is completey ignorant and idiotic.

Because I face facts, I liked DA2, I liked the risks it took and the new ideas of storytelling it brought, I like the stronger character development, the friendship and rivalry system, and teh frame narrative. But I face facts, objectively, its a disappointment. Why? Because all across the board, the reception is weaker. And hell, I perfer it to the play it safe DAO.

[edisnooM]

drayfish wrote...

Awesomeness

Very well said.

[txgoldrush]

Spidey 1923 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The whole forum is against you.
Did you really liked the BLATANT lies before the release of ME3?
About the war assets , Mp npt havbing a n impact in Sp, abpout the ABC endings, about the previous choices?
Really man?
Are you ok with that?

Doesn't matter anymore....they fixed them. And they took their time to do so for free. And don't tell me other gaming companies are not guilty of this as well...such as Bethesda and CDP Red did explain their endings as well.

And there were "lies" that turned out to be in favor of the gamer like "no new love interests"

It only seems the frorum is against me because this is another hate ME3 circle jerk thread.

Whether or not they fixed it is irrevant, they lied. It doesn't matter if the lies worked in favour of gamers, they lied.  

If this thread was purely designed to hate on ME3 and not have reasonable arguments it would have been locked.

And yet it snothing new to the gaming industy....everyone overhypes, get used to it.