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[txgoldrush]

drayfish wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

drayfish wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wrong again.

"- but 'sacrifice' takes on a whole new meaning when you start tossing others onto the fire to appease your enemy. That kind of 'sacrifice' is more offering-up-the-virgins-to-an-angry-god kind, and has none of the nobility that you are mistakenly attributing to it. It is a form of nihilistic bargaining that necessarily hope you claim to celebrate."

And yet this kind of sacrifice is attributed to Cerberus, which both Paragon and Renegade Shep are against. The sacrifices made without regret and without feeling. Notice how Shepard and TIM are foils when it comes to sacrifice....TIM sacrifices people on the altar for his own gain without feeling and regret, while Shepard, when forced to sacrifice others, lives with it and regrets it.

Shepard regrets having to send other to harms way, he regrets and is saddened over shooting Mordin, he has to live with it...and then look at James and his decision on Fehl Prime.

It isn't headcanon, its all in the narrative. Hell, look at Vigil.....for the Protheans to suceeed at rigging the Citadel, they had to shut off pods of non essential staff, sacrifcing them to get the job done. Victory through sacrifice is a theme there too. If the Protheans did no tmake those sacrifices, the Reapers win.

Cool.

Thank you for proving my point on both counts.

Wrong

None of the times Shepard sacrifices others is the appease to the bad guys kind. Thats Cerberus. But Shepard has to be willing to sacrifice others to achieve victory, even Paragon.

And yet, Destroy is also Starboys least perfered option, even warning you about the future if you do so. So how is implimenting the option an appeasement to him. Its denying him.

Nevermind that Shepard does think of EDI if Destroy is chosen. This proves MY point.

You like arbitrarily saying 'wrong', don't you?

As I've said a couple of times now - there are more adult ways to contribute to a discussion than name-calling and arrogant dismissals such as this.

And again: kicking a friend in front of a bus because a bad guy tells you to is not a 'sacrifice'; likewise, choosing one of his options because it 'solves' his problem is not really defiance in any way that the word can be defined.

But believe what you will.  It is obvious that nothing that is said to you has any impact or cut-through.  Just please try to show some basic human courtesy to the people that you are currently childishly insulting.

You are still not getting it.

Destroy does not solve his problem, it removes him from the picture, but with collateral damage based on EMS. Look at the script....he states "but the peace won't last...soon your children will create synthetics and the chaos will come back".

Synthesis is the ONLY option, the Catalyst truly endorses...he even says its the ideal one.

Its simply all in the narrative.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The_XBL_Nihilus wrote...

There is always a choice. Face it. Bioware is not losing sleep over the bundles of cash they have thanks to their loyal (and now betrayed) fans.

bro....seriously.....no, that is not how it works. Focus your anger on those who deserve it

No point in being angry. 

it is better than supinely accepting it all and pretending all is well

Now to be fair, most people are fine with the ending. I think we all know that.

In my opinion. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:12 .

[Xellith]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

"Mass effect 3 was a pretty amazing game.  you cant really deny that".  You just made a claim.  I dont see any arguments on your end.  And you said we cant deny it.  When obviously we can.

You cant just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

[Jorji Costava]

@txgoldrush:

The destruction of earth in low-EMS destroy is basically a way of rewarding high-EMS players for their completionism; if there's one thing ME has consistently rewarded, it's completing as much stuff as possible. So in the sense that really matters, earth isn't really at stake in the destroy ending, because a majority of players can be expected to have completed enough of the game to have the right EMS score. But synthetics get wiped out in destroy no matter how high your EMS is, so I think it's fair to say that the crucible targets them in a way it doesn't target everything else. And the best explanation of why this is, in my opinion, is that their destruction is supposed to be tied to the singularity theme.

@drayfish:

You're welcome!

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

[Shotokanguy]

I was never part of the "ME2 is not an RPG and EA is destroying BioWare" crowd...but after ME3...seeing the reaction to DA2...I'm willing to believe it.

I think I even read something right around ME3's release that came from someone pretty high up, mentioning that EA has had a negative effect on BioWare's process.

The games seemed to have lost some of the spirit. They're a little less special. But that's all I'll say.

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The_XBL_Nihilus wrote...

There is always a choice. Face it. Bioware is not losing sleep over the bundles of cash they have thanks to their loyal (and now betrayed) fans.

bro....seriously.....no, that is not how it works. Focus your anger on those who deserve it

No point in being angry. 

it is better than supinely accepting it all and pretending all is well

Now to be fair, most people are fine with the ending. I think we all know that.

most? you do not know that

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Xellith wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

"Mass effect 3 was a pretty amazing game.  you cant really deny that".  You just made a claim.  I dont see any arguments on your end.  And you said we cant deny it.  When obviously we can.

You cant just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

Now, to be fair, I think pretty much every arguement has already been made on here. There's really no point in me repeating the same thing that has been said a million times already, is there?

In my opinion. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:12 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 
In my opinion. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:12 .

[Galbrant]

I'll take that remake... after all Mass Effect 3 while a good generic shooter game fails to give a proper end as the last in what should have been a epic trilogy. As its stand now Mass Effect is an Epic Duology. Garbage Trilogy. Buying the Trilogy Edition is just supporting bad business and encourage Bioware to produce a low quality product that isn't fit to be consume by consumers So that remake please and discontinue that awful Trilogy edition. I mean really People have to buy the ME2&3 DLC seperately? Usually when a company do a Ultimate Edition or a GOTY Edition they have all the DLCs. Which is what I like in Dragon Age Origins Ultimate Edition it had everything. So why now? Are you that desperate to get money you lost in returns? You do know that people with common sense will refuse to buy the the overprice DLC after they experience the main product in three is beyond flawed?

[txgoldrush]

osbornep wrote...

@txgoldrush:

The destruction of earth in low-EMS destroy is basically a way of rewarding high-EMS players for their completionism; if there's one thing ME has consistently rewarded, it's completing as much stuff as possible. So in the sense that really matters, earth isn't really at stake in the destroy ending, because a majority of players can be expected to have completed enough of the game to have the right EMS score. But synthetics get wiped out in destroy no matter how high your EMS is, so I think it's fair to say that the crucible targets them in a way it doesn't target everything else. And the best explanation of why this is, in my opinion, is that their destruction is supposed to be tied to the singularity theme.

@drayfish:

You're welcome!

Read the script again....its collateral damage, for the Crucible to kill the Reapers who are synthetic...all synthetics are targeted. This is so it makes it more believeable. If the device only targeted Reapers, it would be far more contrived, but to act as an energy pulse that gets less filtered if its damaged, its far more believable. Its the Crucible itself, not Starchild, that creates this option.

What disconnects it from the singualirty theme is The Catalyst's warnings about the chaos coming back. So in a way, its the free will, take your chances ending, but with a price.

[Kaidan Fan]

Anyone who has been around long enough to read these boards for longer than a few days and still tries to engage Brovikk in conversation has to be crazy. He is the one who states the same things over and over.....and over and states his opinion as if it is fact. It's better to just pretend he isn't there

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 

it was not a problem to you....it was to me. This is entirely subjective.
The citadel did not feel like a great hub at all especially seeing how quests were handled...it lacked diversity
the RPGs elements were straightforward and pretty much shoehorned a single build for the squadmates basically turning them into powers auto turrets

play DAO and you will know how good RPG elements are handled. ME1 was fine in that respect although simplistic

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 

it was not a problem to you....it was to me. This is entirely subjective.
The citadel did not feel like a great hub at all especially seeing how quests were handled...it lacked diversity
the RPGs elements were straightforward and pretty much shoehorned a single build for the squadmates basically turning them into powers auto turrets

play DAO and you will know how good RPG elements are handled. ME1 was fine in that respect although simplistic

Now, to be fair, I agree that Dragon Age Origins was an absolutely quite good game. That's hard to get around.

I disagree with your negative views on Mass Effect 3 though. But that's okay. We can't all agree on everything. I just want you to know that I respect your opinion 100%.

In my opinion. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:11 .

[Iakus]

Paulomedi wrote...

I've seen people here who spent $1,500,00 on MP. This must be their most lucrative ME game. It's ironic this financial success is coupled with the loss of so many loyal fans.

Who needs fans when you can just convince people to fling money at MP booster packs?

[Brovikk Rasputin]

iakus wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

I've seen people here who spent $1,500,00 on MP. This must be their most lucrative ME game. It's ironic this financial success is coupled with the loss of so many loyal fans.

Who needs fans when you can just convince people to fling money at MP booster packs?

Now, iakus, to be fair, those packs are completely optional.

In my opinion. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:11 .

[drayfish]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 

This is genuinely hilarious.

I've never really known what to make of you, Brovikk - you always seem to want to engage with threads, but your rude staccatto dismissals of people always seemed wholly counterproductive to genuine discussion.  But offering this as a rebuttal:

'To be fair: you are wrong because you just are.  To be fair.'

is some masterful comedy.

If you genuinely mean what you said - that people have the right to feel differently, then I think you need to add 'in my opinion' to a few more of your own sentences, lest you fail to be taken seriously at all.

Modifié par drayfish, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:12 .

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 

it was not a problem to you....it was to me. This is entirely subjective.
The citadel did not feel like a great hub at all especially seeing how quests were handled...it lacked diversity
the RPGs elements were straightforward and pretty much shoehorned a single build for the squadmates basically turning them into powers auto turrets

play DAO and you will know how good RPG elements are handled. ME1 was fine in that respect although simplistic

Now, to be fair, I agree that Dragon Age Origins was an absolutely quite good game. That's hard to get around.

I disagree with your negative views on Mass Effect 3 though. But that's okay. We can't all agree on everything. I just want you to know that I respect your opinion 100%.

and you misunderstand me...again

in this specific situation at least.

I am not saying these features were awful but that hey were substandard from what I came to expect from BW.

An analogy, as a teen I did targeting competitions. if I kept an 8.5 average my trainer would be on my ***, not because it was ****ty per se but because for ME it was a low average

[drayfish]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iakus wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

I've seen people here who spent $1,500,00 on MP. This must be their most lucrative ME game. It's ironic this financial success is coupled with the loss of so many loyal fans.

Who needs fans when you can just convince people to fling money at MP booster packs?

Now, iakus, to be fair, those packs are completely optional.

In my opinion. 

Genius.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 

it was not a problem to you....it was to me. This is entirely subjective.
The citadel did not feel like a great hub at all especially seeing how quests were handled...it lacked diversity
the RPGs elements were straightforward and pretty much shoehorned a single build for the squadmates basically turning them into powers auto turrets

play DAO and you will know how good RPG elements are handled. ME1 was fine in that respect although simplistic

Now, to be fair, I agree that Dragon Age Origins was an absolutely quite good game. That's hard to get around.

I disagree with your negative views on Mass Effect 3 though. But that's okay. We can't all agree on everything. I just want you to know that I respect your opinion 100%.

and you misunderstand me...again

in this specific situation at least.

I am not saying these features were awful but that hey were substandard from what I came to expect from BW.

An analogy, as a teen I did targeting competitions. if I kept an 8.5 average my trainer would be on my ***, not because it was ****ty per se but because for ME it was a low average

I can see what you're saying, but to be fair, I'm not sure I agree. I personally thought Mass Effect 3 was an incredible game, and I can't wait to start my 9th playthrough. What class do you usually play as?

In my opinion. 

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Not really. Mass Effect 3 was a pretty amazing game. You can't really deny that.

given that that is subjective....yes, yes I can

I don't see any arguements. You can't just say stuff without proper reasoning behind your claims.

did we not ALREADY have this conversation?

I found many things less than appealing starting with the auto dialogue, the lack of hub worlds, the poor RPG elements for the squaddies and lack of customization for them, the rule of cool (which was less intense than in ME2 tho)

was all this as horrible as too human? no....but was it great? nope

Now, to be fair, you have the right to feel differet than me about this subject. I'm completely alright with that. With that said, I think it's important to note that you're wrong, in this case at least. 

The game did have auto dialogue, but it really wasn't a problem. To be quite fair.
I don't know about you, but the Citadel felt like a great hub. I'd rather have one great hub, than three mediocre ones. So I'm afraid you're wrong here. To be fair.
The RPG elements were great. 

So eh, I really don't know what to say here. I'll look forward to your counter arguments. 

it was not a problem to you....it was to me. This is entirely subjective.
The citadel did not feel like a great hub at all especially seeing how quests were handled...it lacked diversity
the RPGs elements were straightforward and pretty much shoehorned a single build for the squadmates basically turning them into powers auto turrets

play DAO and you will know how good RPG elements are handled. ME1 was fine in that respect although simplistic

Now, to be fair, I agree that Dragon Age Origins was an absolutely quite good game. That's hard to get around.

I disagree with your negative views on Mass Effect 3 though. But that's okay. We can't all agree on everything. I just want you to know that I respect your opinion 100%.

and you misunderstand me...again

in this specific situation at least.

I am not saying these features were awful but that hey were substandard from what I came to expect from BW.

An analogy, as a teen I did targeting competitions. if I kept an 8.5 average my trainer would be on my ***, not because it was ****ty per se but because for ME it was a low average

I can see what you're saying, but to be fair, I'm not sure I agree. I personally thought Mass Effect 3 was an incredible game, and I can't wait to start my 9th playthrough. What class do you usually play as?

In my opinion. 

vanguard, I only play vanguards. I have for each of my 20+ playthroughs of beach ME1 & 2