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[LinksOcarina]

Anyone who says yes is a troll or a fool to "trust" a developer to begin with.

It's a very loaded term, trust, it implies that there is a sort of mutual relationship between the two parties, as if both of them worked with the other closely to make something coherent. Sadly, it is always a two-way street, and this is something that has been around for all developers to begin with.

ETA: I am perhaps being a bit harsh in using the first part as a blanket for everyone who "trusts" them, but think about that though, do you really trust anything that is made for you? Do you trust movie makers or music artists to craft a product solely for you? 

It really is a good question.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 04 janvier 2013 - 01:41 .

[Xellith]

I wouldnt buy from them again. Its not only destroyed my trust in Bioware, but shaken my trust in gaming developers in general. I refuse to buy full price anymore. I either get it cheap/free or not at all. But I wont be giving Bioware any money anymore for anything.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Aaleel wrote...

Not ME3 itself, but ME3 after DA2.

DA2 caused the loss of Pre-order credit, ME3 caused the loss of presumption of quality.

I don't have confidence they'll take the time produce a complete/quality game from start to finish. I think they'll continue to crunch timelines if anything.

When I compare my feelings after completing recent games to those I had after KOTOR, BG II, ME1 and DA:O. Makes me sad really.

Edit: Different teams no longer matters, it's obvious to anyone who is paying attention that the company as a whole is streamlining and tailoring it's games to appeal to a wider range of gaming demographics, basically more casual gamers.

This is pretty much how I feel.

I'd hate to be a dev for DA3, because if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive. Can you imagine the pressure.

[RocketManSR2]

Destroyed? *Sigh* I can't say yes. Question? You bet. Dread what's going to come from this company next? Absolutely.

[Fingertrip]

No, absolutely not after the continued DLC release. Leviathan was amazing and Omega was alright. Leviathan was definately better in my opinion, and they really showed off that they still care and they know their stuff.

Haters gonna hate.

[LTKerr]

My trust started to collapse thanks to Dragon's Age II. Then I saw ME3 demo and it got worse. Then I played it. Let's say I'm not gonna buy any other Bioware game. Sadly I know how EA works.

LinksOcarina wrote...

Anyone who says yes is a troll or a fool to "trust" a developer to begin with.

It's a very loaded term, trust, it implies that there is a sort of mutual relationship between the two parties, as if both of them worked with the other closely to make something coherent. Sadly, it is always a two-way street, and this is something that has been around for all developers to begin with.

ETA: I am perhaps being a bit harsh in using the first part as a blanket for everyone who "trusts" them, but think about that though, do you really trust anything that is made for you? Do you trust movie makers or music artists to craft a product solely for you? 

It really is a good question.

I trust Valve. Even though there are some Valve games I don't like because I don't like competitive games like Dota or pure shooters like Left for Dead, I can see how polished and almost perfect they all are. I can see how much Valve care about their games, their quality and what is best: their customers. I would buy any nwe Half-Life or Portal game in a heartbeat just because I KNOW Valve would never release an unfinished game.

Modifié par LTKerr, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:27 .

[Mr.Racoon]

Yes, Bioware has become a tad bit too Videogamey for my taste.

[Ninja Stan]

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd hate to be a dev for DA3, because if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive. Can you imagine the pressure.

Game companies are under this kind of pressure with every project they make. The "if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive" argument has been made by parts of the BioWare online community since at least as far back as NWN back in 2002.

[Ninja Stan]

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

[Dubozz]

Well, we all see the progress, aren't we.

[Aaleel]

Ninja Stan wrote...

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

Trust may be the wrong word.  But Bioware as a brand was like other brands I've purchased time and time again in other things I buy.  You give them a presumption of quality and you buy their products based on the quality of their product in the past.  Don't even wait for reviews on if sometimes, because it's always been good for you.

Been buying Bioware games for a long time.  But after two games that seemed rushed out the door, DA2 in it's entirety and ME3 once you hit Thessia.  I no longer can say oh a Bioware game, this is going to be a quality product.

Modifié par Aaleel, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:40 .

[Mathias]

Ninja Stan wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd hate to be a dev for DA3, because if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive. Can you imagine the pressure.

Game companies are under this kind of pressure with every project they make. The "if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive" argument has been made by parts of the BioWare online community since at least as far back as NWN back in 2002.

In 2002 Bioware didn't release a financial failure called The Old Republic. They also didn't betray people's trust, and ****** off half their fanbase on a daily basis back then. Then there's the fact that in 2002, they weren't owned by a terrible company that has a history of purchasing developers and ruining them. To the point where said companies no longer exist, or merged with the EA name.

I agree that a lot of game companies are under pressure these days. But you can't compare the pressure Bioware is under today, to the pressure they were in back in 2002. It's not the same.

Ninja Stan wrote...

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

Well before ME3 they made DA2 and TOR. But I let those games slide because I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt. I put my faith into them and though i was a tad bit weary, I still had trust in them. Before DA2, just after ME2's release, I had thought nothing but good things about Bioware. But after ME3, that's 3 big disappointments in a row. Now there's a fine line between hope and trust.

I hope DA3 and ME4 will be spectacular, and a return to glory. But I trust that they won't.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:42 .

[Gixxer6Rdr]

My quick answer is Yes.... Yes it did. They blatantly lied, then claimed art. Promosed art is something you deliver on, not screw up with your ideas.

[LTKerr]

Ninja Stan wrote...

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

Before DA2 or ME3 demo I would have pre-ordered any Bioware game (Collector's edition if possible). Right now? Well, as I said before: nothing.

[Ninja Stan]

Thank you. Those are exactly the kind of answers I was hoping to get. In a good way.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Ninja Stan wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd hate to be a dev for DA3, because if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive. Can you imagine the pressure.

Game companies are under this kind of pressure with every project they make. The "if Bioware don't knock it out of the park, I don't think Bioware will survive" argument has been made by parts of the BioWare online community since at least as far back as NWN back in 2002.

Yes but ye weren't working for EA then.

[DC111]

Its saddening that I was not compiled to play ME3 Multiple times in the same way that I was for ME1 and ME2 (PC,PS3).... There simply was no reason to continue playing ME3 or buy any of the DLC...All roads lead to a dead illogical end.  No matter how you looked at it.

Now regarding ME1 and ME2: I purchased ME2 on the PC and PS3 (ME1 on the PC) as well as every single DLC offered.

Oh Bioware... how could you have done such a thing.. Just giving us a better, more sensible option would have been so financially rewarding for you/EA.

Modifié par DC111, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:11 .

[crimzontearz]

ME3 taught me a valuable lesson.

If you are emotionally invested never buy a game unless you fully soil yourself first.

Bioware has still a chance to win me back but I think from now on they can headcanon my 60$ and I will get the games used

[fearan1]

Before DA2 or ME3 I pre-ordered any Bioware game (Collector's edition if possible). Right now? Only after I see user reviews a few weeks later.

As well ME3 is the only Bio game I have only played once and bought no DLC for.
Me2 I played 10-15 time and owned on all platforms lol

[KLGChaos]

For me, trust is getting promises made like "Choices mattering", "Choices really affecting the final battle" and "There won't be an A, B, C ending" and all the other ME3 pre-release quotes, but then having them betrayed in the final product. Bioware made a lot of promises they failed to keep, which imo, breaks trust. Same thing with the Fable series-- lots of promises, failure to deliver. You're promised one product and then it comes to find out it's not what you paid for in the end. In the end, every choice I made from saving the Rachni to the Council to destroying the Collector base had next to no affect on the endings and we got an A,B,C ending.

The other thing is the ending going against the game's established themes and narrative. Tough choices were always a big thing, but so was standing your ground and overcoming the impossible. In the end, only the tough choice part remained and the rest of the games theme were tossed out the window.

Then there's DA2, another game where choices didn't matter, with the recycled environments, removal of what made Origins great (the various races and branching stories) and the wreck that was TOR. You come to expect quality from a game company after they put out awesome games like Baldur's Gate, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and Mass Effect 1. When you see their last several games take a nose dive in quality, and realize that all you choices really are just an illusion in the end, it really makes you feel like the studio lost something.

I have no intention of ever pre-ordering a Bioware game again. And unless something major happens (and I'm not talking about game sites giving a game a glowing review, because we know how untrustworthy they are), I have no reason to buy another Bioware game, especially when you have companies like Valve or Take-Two putting out great, polished games that really do give the fans what they want.

[crimzontearz]

Ninja Stan wrote...

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

you can as Chris
before...well....all this, I knew Bioware was the storyteller of the gaming industry, they were the love child of Midas and Tolkien. More importantly they were closer to us than random faceless dev studios and they listened. Before ME3 any game had to measure up to the ME series to catch my attention and given the insane amounts of time I put in ME1 and 2 I can say no game has so far

[Jadebaby]

LTKerr wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

Before DA2 or ME3 demo I would have pre-ordered any Bioware game (Collector's edition if possible). Right now? Well, as I said before: nothing.

Yep, this.

[Iakus]

Ninja Stan wrote...

I may regret this, but can I ask:

What kind of "trust" did you have in BioWare before ME3?

Prior to ME3, I preordered every single game since Neverwinter Nights.  SIght unseen.  If it had the Bioware label, that was good enough for me.  

Even got the signature edition of DA2.  I also bought the new Enhanced Edition of Baldur's Gate and intend to purchase BG2 EE (even though I already own two copies of the regular edition)

Bioware told awesome stories and let me be the hero of them.  I could shape my character to be what I wanted to be.  I could be the honorable paladin, the snarky thief, the powerful mage (or biotic) But always my characters could stand against the darkness and win more or less on their own terms.  Perhaps not 100% happily, but at least with life and soul intact. (unless I wanted to do so otherwise)

That's what trust I had in Bioware before.

Now "Why should I trust you again?" is going to be my first question upon the next ME game being announced.  Why should I get invested in a new story and a new character, when the ending can be yanked out from under me again?

Modifié par iakus, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:31 .