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[FlamingBoy]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Syroel13 wrote...

Not the Mass Effect Team. I'm not a fan of the KOTOR Team but I like the mass effect guys.

I don't think making a bad ending and not doing everything the fans ask is a good basis to hate a company. I mean it is their game. Their dream and ideas were brought into it I dont know how its out business to force them to do something they dont like.

They may deserve some tough love sometimes but I dont think you should hate them if they don't do everything you say.

You are saying this as if we have some means of forcing them.
Anyway, ME3's writing is a pure garbage, from start to finish, their handling of fans outrage was horrible - therefore, they deserve everything they got in return, hate included. 

And people wonder why they get called entitled whiners.

I am confused how bioware "getting what they deserved" is anyway related to the theory of gamer entitlement

the word does not really apply

[Mr.House]

Nope, that title belongs to ME2. ME2 destroyed the whole main story(Reapers) for me so it's flaws in ME3 don't really bug me at all, I cared about my fav characters, only a few of them got crappy parts. I was happy, game could have been better but it's better then Fail Effect 2 by ten miles.

[Thaa_solon]

 Dear txgoldrush

1: Keep telling that to yourself in the mirror, makes more impact that way.

2: doesn't prove anything, If I told millions people to go to IMDB and vote for "Birdemic shock and terror" does it automatically become the best movie of alltime?

3: Have you seen Startrek the motion picture? V'GER the best space machine god ever devised!

4: Shepard fighting against TIM, the reapers and then because of "plot" he becomes the very essance of what he was fighting against? Why would shepard do this? Because the theme changed.

Now I must return to my icy fortress

As a token of what the EC added to the endings here's a good comparison video for you all to enjoy.

[txgoldrush]

<p>

iakus wrote... 1) Okay, as long as you're not going to be elitist about it 2) How many copies returned or exchanged? How many reviewers no longer taken seriously? Four million sure sounds like a lot of customers. How many feel satisfied and how many feel conned? 3) Well as long as you say it's fine, I guess it's fine. Who am I to argue with logic like that? 4) And is proved more often to be willing to fight for that life and win

</p>
<p>And yet, why does it do well in polls for gamer choice awards against tough competition like Borderlands 2, Far Cry 3, and Asassin's Creed III? Maybe because despite some fan backlash, people like the game.</p>
<p>And yes, Mass Effect 3's ending is way different from Matrix's....because the relationship between the "deus ex" is totally different.. In the Matrix, its Neo that makes the offer to the machine peace in exchange for defeating a common enemy and they basically both play arole in Smith's demise. In ME3, the "deus ex" realizes through the crucible other options are possible, including his ideal one and helps Shepard only because he has to, because the "deus ex" cannot enact the choices himself. Also the roles they play are far different. Neo still needs the "deus ex"'s help, while the "deus ex" in ME3 needs Shepards help.</p>
<p>However, Shepard is also proven to sacrifice himself and others to achieve victory.</p>

[Paladin-08]

Everyone please stop arguing and just respect each others opinions.

I love Mass Effect 3 and i know whoever plays it, loves it as well.
Never say never, there is still hope for BioWare to act on the ending fans have been disagreeing for in the past year. Until BioWare is completely finished with the ME3 DLC/Updates, dont lose hope.

If BioWare chooses not to address the ME3 endings or problems, then its okay, just let it go.
There are other games out there.

Im not going to lie and say "I wont ever buy anymore bioware games" because i would be lying
to myself. I love video games no matter what. If BioWare makes Mass Effect 4 and i like what
I see about it and hear good opinions then yes, i will buy it.

However I wont ever share my feedback to Bioware ever again. I will never look at BioWare the
same way again. From a company always catering to the fans to just your average
gaming company, in it for the popularity.

[Mr.House]

I find it funny people say Starbrat can't do the choices himself, but he can shut off the cruible anytime he wants. *sigh* What a mess.

[txgoldrush]

Thaa_solon wrote...

 Dear txgoldrush

1: Keep telling that to yourself in the mirror, makes more impact that way.

2: doesn't prove anything, If I told millions people to go to IMDB and vote for "Birdemic shock and terror" does it automatically become the best movie of alltime?

3: Have you seen Startrek the motion picture? V'GER the best space machine god ever devised!

4: Shepard fighting against TIM, the reapers and then because of "plot" he becomes the very essance of what he was fighting against? Why would shepard do this? Because the theme changed.

Now I must return to my icy fortress

As a token of what the EC added to the endings here's a good comparison video for you all to enjoy.

And what do you have to prove that Mass Effect 3 is objectively a failure for Bioware? Nothing...because the evidence simply doesn't point that way.

And yet the first Trek movie is the only other time I have seen a classic Deus Ex Machina in reverse. And its far different from ME3 however.

Wrong again, Shepard was never against controlling the Reapers, in fact, he could ask Hackett "what if TIM is right and we can control the Raepers?". However, he is against TIM's methods and the fact that he is indoctrinated. The themes never changed.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 05 janvier 2013 - 08:04 .

[txgoldrush]

Mr.House wrote...

I find it funny people say Starbrat can't do the choices himself, but he can shut off the cruible anytime he wants. *sigh* What a mess.

Can he destroy himself? That would be against his programming.

Control? He already controls the Reapers

Synthesis? He needs a synthetic-organic hybrid to do this....this is where Shepard comes in.

[Thaa_solon]

txgoldrush wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

 Dear txgoldrush

1: Keep telling that to yourself in the mirror, makes more impact that way.

2: doesn't prove anything, If I told millions people to go to IMDB and vote for "Birdemic shock and terror" does it automatically become the best movie of alltime?

3: Have you seen Startrek the motion picture? V'GER the best space machine god ever devised!

4: Shepard fighting against TIM, the reapers and then because of "plot" he becomes the very essance of what he was fighting against? Why would shepard do this? Because the theme changed.

Now I must return to my icy fortress

As a token of what the EC added to the endings here's a good comparison video for you all to enjoy.

And what do you have to prove that Mass Effect 3 is objectively a failure for Bioware? Nothing...because the evidence simply doesn't point that way.

And yet the first Trek movie is the only other time I have seen a classic Deus Ex Machina in reverse. And its far different from ME3 however.

Wrong again, Shepard was never against controlling the Reapers, in fact, he could ask Hackett "what if TIM is right and we can control the Raepers?". However, he is against TIM's methods and the fact that he is indoctrinated. The themes never changed.

-Who dares to disturb my slumber......... oh it's just you

Well well......

These forums are evidence enough for an objectively of faliure, funny RIGHT? 

Secondly...... you should read more books, and no it is not far diffrent than ME3, A gigant vessel containing the logic of the stars travels to earth in need of human assistance.........

And finally, while talking to TIM on the citadel shepard tells him how wrong it is to control the reapers, you as shepard CAN tell that to TIM so HARD that TIM shoots himself, later on shepard can be given the choice to become the catalyst, the indisputed mastercontroller of the reapers and simply agrees to become the spacemachineovermind......seriously WTF! You see total theme change.

Now go cry in the corner and feel ashamed of your lack of points.

End of discussion 

[txgoldrush]

Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

 Dear txgoldrush

1: Keep telling that to yourself in the mirror, makes more impact that way.

2: doesn't prove anything, If I told millions people to go to IMDB and vote for "Birdemic shock and terror" does it automatically become the best movie of alltime?

3: Have you seen Startrek the motion picture? V'GER the best space machine god ever devised!

4: Shepard fighting against TIM, the reapers and then because of "plot" he becomes the very essance of what he was fighting against? Why would shepard do this? Because the theme changed.

Now I must return to my icy fortress

As a token of what the EC added to the endings here's a good comparison video for you all to enjoy.

And what do you have to prove that Mass Effect 3 is objectively a failure for Bioware? Nothing...because the evidence simply doesn't point that way.

And yet the first Trek movie is the only other time I have seen a classic Deus Ex Machina in reverse. And its far different from ME3 however.

Wrong again, Shepard was never against controlling the Reapers, in fact, he could ask Hackett "what if TIM is right and we can control the Raepers?". However, he is against TIM's methods and the fact that he is indoctrinated. The themes never changed.

-Who dares to disturb my slumber......... oh it's just you

Well well......

A) These forums are evidence enough for an objectively of faliure, funny RIGHT? 

Secondly...... you should read more books, and no it is not far diffrent than ME3, A gigant vessel containing the logic of the stars travels to earth in need of human assistance.........

C) And finally, while talking to TIM on the citadel shepard tells him how wrong it is to control the reapers, you as shepard CAN tell that to TIM so HARD that TIM shoots himself, later on shepard can be given the choice to become the catalyst, the indisputed mastercontroller of the reapers and simply agrees to become the spacemachineovermind......seriously WTF! You see total theme change.

Now go cry in the corner and feel ashamed of your lack of points.

End of discussion 

A) BSN =/= the world out there

and yet its still far more unique than an evil orc army going to burn everything down, and the must slay the evil dragon plot.

C) wrong yet again.....Shepard argues with him because he is simply indoctrinated, and that his sacrifices have hurt the fight against the Reapers. There is nothing here that says controlling Reapers is wrong, its the fact that he cannot do it because simply put, TIM is indoctrinated. He is working for the Reapers and TIM doesn't know it.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I will buy DA3. I think despite the ME3 ending the rest of the game was great, and I believe they deserve a 2. chance. But the ME3 ending failure was so monumental that if DA3 also fails, I will never buy a Bioware game again out of spite.

[Trigunvts]

I paid a whopping $30 for the entire series so I can't really be outraged or anything. I believe I got my moneys worth out of the series. I can see how people who were loyal to bioware and preordered every game and bought every dlc could feel like they got screwed over. I was just disappointed at the confusing and unworthy ending to an otherwise awesome series of games.

[ioannisdenton]

Great read in here!!
Now a trolling post:
Imagine Brevik and Txgoldrush having a FUSION a la Dragonball Z (you know Goku and vegetta FUSION)
That would be awesome!
The best Bio-drone

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:03 .

[Geomon19]

I don't trust companies. So I guess my answer is no.

[txgoldrush]

Geomon19 wrote...

I don't trust companies. So I guess my answer is no.

This

To others, Bioware was one of the greatest companies ever that could no wrong...to me Bioware is just another company that I reward if they make a good game and I criticize when they make a bad one.

ME3 is far from a bad one, and in many areas, such as characterization, its one of their best. I take the nostalgia glasses off. And if fans here can take theirs off, they would see how flawed their games really were.

[XXIceColdXX]

I started to be scepticle after Mass Effect Deception, it seemed Bioware wasn't overly interested in the lore they created. Casey signed off on it overlooking numerous continuity errors.

Wasn't too confident after that to be honest.

[Astralify]

txgoldrush wrote...

ME3 is far from a bad one, and in many areas, such as characterization, its one of their best. I take the nostalgia glasses off. And if fans here can take theirs off, they would see how flawed their games really were.

ME3 is not a bad game. It's a BAD MASS EFFECT game. Period.

Auto-dialogue and pew-pew? That's not about nostalgia. It's about Bioware not making the games I want/love to play anymore.

[ld1449]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Mass Effect 3 completed the process that Mass Effect 2 began, I'm very unlikely to ever buy a Bioware product again.

This kinda leads to another question that I'm reticent to ask, but it's related:

This kind of sentiment is brought up quite a bit, and more power to you for doing so. But for people who claim to be huge fans who had faith in the company and trusted them to release product that you wouldn't be disappointed in, sometimes all it takes is one bad product to make you change your mind.

I know I won't get a complete answer right now, but if the next Mass Effect game does what the marketing claims, is as good as the hype says it is, receives many top marks, and is said by fans to be pretty darn good, would that be enough to change your mind and restore that trust you once had? Would ME3 (and maybe DA2, if you lean that way) then be seen as statistical anomalies in BioWare's gameography, or has the trust been well and truly severed and each good, worthy game becomes but a stepping stone to restoring that faith?

No.

Truth be told. Its not just Mass Effect 3's disasterous ending that broke my trust. It was more Bioware's response to it.

And sure you Stan can preach up and down that we the fans don't know the whole process, don't realize this or that going on behind closed doors and all the factors that come in to the decisions and thus can't get the full picture.

Well whoop-dee-doo.

That still doesn't change a very simple truth, that when this game went gold we were flat out lied to. I know that the rachni promise came no earlier than December, four months before the game went out. Casey Hudson's promise on the endings and how widely varried they were came out in january.

I don't know what happened behind closed doors, I don't know the factors for decisions made I don't have the full picture.

And quite frankly, I don't care because 1 I'm never going to have that full picture, and 2 there was never any sort of apology for these statements after the game went GOLD. I don't expect every promise even in the alpha stage of development to be carried through and to be apologized to when it falls out for whatever reason but after the game goes Gold with just 3 months before the release is inexcusable.

Then during the three months before the extended cut release you have Chris Priestly doing polls on "do you believe in the Indoc. Theory" not doing anything to rectify people getting their hopes up for the IT. Not even a statement at the begining. 

Another point where someone at Comic Conwas saying Gameplay elements are "most likely" going to be featured.

They screened questions at Comic Con

You have Merizian advertizing a world wide survey done by German fans on the ending only to discard the results which showed an overwhelming negativity/desire to cut the ending out, later when they supposedly didn't match up their own results (which they refused to release).

You then had Casey Hudson "interviewed" in house along with Mac walters in an interview that had NONE of the truly pertinent questions. Claiming that there was an "overwhelming" amount of people that did 'love' the endings.

So after you've given me a falsely advertized product, you hype the content up again, refuse to rectify the hype you've already built up, skirt away from fan questions at conventions, dismiss WORLD WIDE surveys that they advertize through twitter, Facebook, the BSN, Euro-gamer and IGN have an "in house" interview with soft ball questions and have the gall to lie practically to my face about how many people "loved" the ending? Even when they were hard wiring the extended cut content onto the Wii U versions to come with it automatically?

No. It wasn't the game that broke my trust. I could have forgiven that. I could have lived with that. Everybody makes mistakes we're all human.

It as the GROSS handling of the situation that broke my trust to the point  I won't even buy DA3 whenever it arrives. and even if the game lives up to be EVERYTHING promised (which you and I both know it will not) I wont purchase it. At best I'll borrow it. Even if I play it and LOVE it. I STILL wont Purchase it. Even if I play it Love it, and the company mannages to get through the third game without royally ****ing it up I STILL wont purchase it.

For me personally, somewhere down this road a line was crossed. And that is a very sad truth since Bioware has made several games that I play to this day.

[txgoldrush]

Astralify wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ME3 is far from a bad one, and in many areas, such as characterization, its one of their best. I take the nostalgia glasses off. And if fans here can take theirs off, they would see how flawed their games really were.

ME3 is not a bad game. It's a BAD MASS EFFECT game. Period.

Auto-dialogue and pew-pew? That's not about nostalgia. It's about Bioware not making the games I want/love to play anymore.

So you perfer lackluster writing for the player character because you have to take into account more redudant lines and you perfer that horribly executed combat system of ME1?

Face it, autodialogue actually improved the script.

[Sonashi]

txgoldrush wrote...

Ryoten wrote...


I could say the exact same thing about everything you preech.  You are an egotisitcal maniac who is just as ignorant and more so gullable, and you should be locked away so you cant impeed on civilization.

And you are a cancer. You embody the idiot fanbase that simply do not get it. You can't see outside your ME3 hate circle jerk on this board.

You are type of fan that Bioware should ignore because you are a cancer.

Facing facts and reality is far from egotistical. To ignore facts like you do, thats egotistical and ignorant.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?? How dare you?

I'm giving you a choice - either you're going leave this thread right now or I'll report you.

[El Mito]

[violation of Rule #6 removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 05 janvier 2013 - 11:35 .

[ioannisdenton]

El Mito wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Mass Effect 3 completed the process that Mass Effect 2 began, I'm very unlikely to ever buy a Bioware product again.

This kinda leads to another question that I'm reticent to ask, but it's related:

This kind of sentiment is brought up quite a bit, and more power to you for doing so. But for people who claim to be huge fans who had faith in the company and trusted them to release product that you wouldn't be disappointed in, sometimes all it takes is one bad product to make you change your mind.

I know I won't get a complete answer right now, but if the next Mass Effect game does what the marketing claims, is as good as the hype says it is, receives many top marks, and is said by fans to be pretty darn good, would that be enough to change your mind and restore that trust you once had? Would ME3 (and maybe DA2, if you lean that way) then be seen as statistical anomalies in BioWare's gameography, or has the trust been well and truly severed and each good, worthy game becomes but a stepping stone to restoring that faith?

No.

Truth be told. Its not just Mass Effect 3's disasterous ending that broke my trust. It was more Bioware's response to it.

And sure you Stan can preach up and down that we the fans don't know the whole process, don't realize this or that going on behind closed doors and all the factors that come in to the decisions and thus can't get the full picture.

Well whoop-dee-doo.

That still doesn't change a very simple truth, that when this game went gold we were flat out lied to. I know that the rachni promise came no earlier than December, four months before the game went out. Casey Hudson's promise on the endings and how widely varried they were came out in january.

I don't know what happened behind closed doors, I don't know the factors for decisions made I don't have the full picture.

And quite frankly, I don't care because 1 I'm never going to have that full picture, and 2 there was never any sort of apology for these statements after the game went GOLD. I don't expect every promise even in the alpha stage of development to be carried through and to be apologized to when it falls out for whatever reason but after the game goes Gold with just 3 months before the release is inexcusable.

Then during the three months before the extended cut release you have Chris Priestly doing polls on "do you believe in the Indoc. Theory" not doing anything to rectify people getting their hopes up for the IT. Not even a statement at the begining. 

Another point where someone at Comic Conwas saying Gameplay elements are "most likely" going to be featured.

They screened questions at Comic Con

You have Merizian advertizing a world wide survey done by German fans on the ending only to discard the results which showed an overwhelming negativity/desire to cut the ending out, later when they supposedly didn't match up their own results (which they refused to release).

You then had Casey Hudson "interviewed" in house along with Mac walters in an interview that had NONE of the truly pertinent questions. Claiming that there was an "overwhelming" amount of people that did 'love' the endings.

So after you've given me a falsely advertized product, you hype the content up again, refuse to rectify the hype you've already built up, skirt away from fan questions at conventions, dismiss WORLD WIDE surveys that they advertize through twitter, Facebook, the BSN, Euro-gamer and IGN have an "in house" interview with soft ball questions and have the gall to lie practically to my face about how many people "loved" the ending? Even when they were hard wiring the extended cut content onto the Wii U versions to come with it automatically?

No. It wasn't the game that broke my trust. I could have forgiven that. I could have lived with that. Everybody makes mistakes we're all human.

It as the GROSS handling of the situation that broke my trust to the point  I won't even buy DA3 whenever it arrives. and even if the game lives up to be EVERYTHING promised (which you and I both know it will not) I wont purchase it. At best I'll borrow it. Even if I play it and LOVE it. I STILL wont Purchase it. Even if I play it Love it, and the company mannages to get through the third game without royally ****ing it up I STILL wont purchase it.

For me personally, somewhere down this road a line was crossed. And that is a very sad truth since Bioware has made several games that I play to this day.

+1
THIS. nailed it.
Bioware is/was my favorite developers. Gaming for me is appealing DUE to bioware. but their stance in Me3 pushes me back from gaming.
All make mistakes, i do not mid much that Me3 is a BAD game as for all the lies pre-release and their ignorance.

[Optimus J]

ld1449 described precisely what pissed up the fans.

The whole marketing of "we can't open precedents of customers commanding the direction of authors" when various developers already changed their scripts due to backlashes, and we even have one precedent more than a century long, that is Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Then the veiled offense in the excuse for "Extended Cut", in which Bioware practically threw at our faces how stupid we were, and it was then reinforced by Twitter, by stating that it was "clarification". Extended cut was a gift to the people with limited minds that didn't get the obvious. Just go back and read Muzyka's letter.

Speaking of him, Zeschuk and Muzyka started the move to put their money on their pockets and leave in April. Zeschuk even moved back.And guess what happened? Both him and Muzyka stated in April they weren't going anywhere. They had no plans of leaving Bioware. Again, check your own blogs, and you will see Muzyka lying at our faces in April, and then 6 months later, admitting he filed his resign letter before posting the blog.

By the way, point me another developer that have their representatives avoiding the public. No chats, no presence on their own boards, not even the comments open on their own blog. Only Twitter, where they can erase anything they don't like. The situation is so bad that not even their own Community Managers are allowed to chat with them, making people like Priestly have to guess what to tell constantly, this last year. It was visible how he and Merizan were kept as much in the dark as us, during EC production.

And then came Omega.... Seriously, what do we have to take on a DLC with no ramifications in its self-cointained story, with no new squadmate, and full of bugs, that could only come from non-paid interns works. All of this for the highest price EVER on a DLC.

That doesn't even make sense.If Bioware is in need for money, they should charge LESS. It's a Downloadable Software, you don't print, you don't pack, you don't transport. You make a SINGLE UNIT, and customers copy themselves on their own hardware. Selling 500,000 for 560BP is a greater profit than 20,000 for 1200BP. Because the total costs remain THE SAME, and the income INCREASES.

We can still presenting the lies and traps, as the "no need for multiplayer for better ending", that was later fixed, and then retconned as if it was ALWAYS that way. Was not.
But Better not to elongate this post. ld1449 already summed the greater issues.

Modifié par Optimus J, 05 janvier 2013 - 11:35 .

[Ninja Stan]

Optimus J wrote...

The whole marketing of "we can't open precedents of customers commanding the direction of authors" when various developers already changed their scripts due to backlashes, and we even have one precedent more than a century long, that is Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Indeed. Because Sir Arthur Conan Doyle did it, everyone else must do it? I'm not really certain where you're going with this here. Sir Arthur chose to bring Holmes back due to fan feedback, yes. Other creators likely have chosen not to accede to fan demand. Neither option is a "correct" response. It's just that one of them agrees with you.

Then the veiled offense in the excuse for "Extended Cut", in which Bioware practically threw at our faces how stupid we were, and it was then reinforced by Twitter, by stating that it was "clarification". Extended cut was a gift to the people with limited minds that didn't get the obvious. Just go back and read Muzyka's letter.

Please quote the part of Ray's blog where he says this. Please quote the Twitter messages that prove your accusations. I don't recall anyone from BioWare ever denigrating the fans' intelligence for not liking the ending.

Speaking of him, Zeschuk and Muzyka started the move to put their money on their pockets and leave in April. Zeschuk even moved back.And guess what happened? Both him and Muzyka stated in April they weren't going anywhere. They had no plans of leaving Bioware. Again, check your own blogs, and you will see Muzyka lying at our faces in April, and then 6 months later, admitting he filed his resign letter before posting the blog.

Again, a lot of accusations. Please provide quotes.

By the way, point me another developer that have their representatives avoiding the public. No chats, no presence on their own boards, not even the comments open on their own blog.

Many of them. I'll turn it back on you. how many other developers participate in discussions with fans on their official boards?

Only Twitter, where they can erase anything they don't like. The situation is so bad that not even their own Community Managers are allowed to chat with them, making people like Priestly have to guess what to tell constantly, this last year. It was visible how he and Merizan were kept as much in the dark as us, during EC production.

And then came Omega.... Seriously, what do we have to take on a DLC with no ramifications in its self-cointained story, with no new squadmate, and full of bugs, that could only come from non-paid interns works. All of this for the highest price EVER on a DLC.

That doesn't even make sense.If Bioware is in need for money, they should charge LESS. It's a Downloadable Software, you don't print, you don't pack, you don't transport. You make a SINGLE UNIT, and customers copy themselves on their own hardware. Selling 500,000 for 560BP is a greater profit than 20,000 for 1200BP. Because the total costs remain THE SAME, and the income INCREASES.

Yes, you're very smart. Your business must be booming. You're doing a lot of yelling, Optimus J, but you're not making a heck of a lot of sense. You're blaming BioWare for so many different things, what exactly is your end goal? What is your win situation here, and how do you plan to accomplish it?

We can still presenting the lies and traps, as the "no need for multiplayer for better ending", that was later fixed, and then retconned as if it was ALWAYS that way. Was not.
But Better not to elongate this post. ld1449 already summed the greater issues.

It seems that if BioWare does nothing, they are wrong, and if they do something to try and fix what's wrong, they are wrong. If they don't agree with you, they are wrong, and if they do, that proves they were wrong to begin with. Is there a way for BioWare to win with you?

[Ninja Stan]

txgoldrush, your comments and arguments are becoming increasingly hostile. Please tone it down.