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Has Mass Effect 3 Destroyed Your "Trust" in Bioware?


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#126
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Yes it has

Bioware was the company i never waited for reviews on the games they make always had them pre ordered collectors editions when available, but not any longer i will wait til quite a few reviews i trust then probably buy pre owned if i buy at  all.

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o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

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4. And yet I am right, the haters of ME3 are the vocal minority.


Unless you're going by the BSN (in which case you would be flat-out wrong), you have literally zero way of knowing this.


Then why the critical acclaim, awards, even popularity contest wins and runner ups?


How is any of this evidence of a vocal minority or majority? 


Because a game hated by the majority don't do well in Reader choice awards or win awards.

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txgoldrush wrote...

Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Buddy, you missed the point. BW may have sold well with ME3, but that doesn't mean the anon majority liked it or not.

You kinda have to buy the game to play it, which is sort of a prerequisite for forming an opinion on it.

The vast majority of people who played ME3 have not taken to the internet, at least not since the EC. How they feel about the game is completely unknown, as is their trust in anything in the IP and BW's future products.

That's why the only way to measure wether ME3, for better or for worse, has had any effect at all is to look at the sales the next game has.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:34 .


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txgoldrush wrote...

























Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.

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iakus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

old school Bioware.....

You mean characters used as talking codex entries disconnected from the main plot, reliance on black and white morality, the reuse of the same formula for the plot and characters over and over again, the lack of character development, etc.

No thank you............the genre has passed this by..or you do you want CD Projeckt to really past Bioware up. If Bioware goes back to the past, CDP will surpass them.


You, I'm not interested in talking to,  So I'll stop before I say something our ninja moderator may take issue with.


well its fans like you that Bioware is and should ignore....the ones that want to stagnate the company and not let the company grow and evolve.

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txgoldrush wrote...

old school Bioware.....

You mean characters used as talking codex entries disconnected from the main plot, reliance on black and white morality, the reuse of the same formula for the plot and characters over and over again, the lack of character development, etc.

No thank you............the genre has passed this by..or you do you want CD Projeckt to really past Bioware up. If Bioware goes back to the past, CDP will surpass them.



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Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

























Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.


You mean almost every magazine and gaming critic?

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Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.


Time will tell if its a success. Financially it should be ok but in terms of future products or even cultural rememberence we shall see, although I am optomistic on both fronts in the end. 

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txgoldrush wrote...

Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Financially maybe, but I certainly don't think it's paved the way for future success from the company.

In my opinion.

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txgoldrush wrote...

1) Which changes the outcome of the Krogan people...from golden age, to constant warfare, to annihilation. You have to be cluess and ignorant to deny this.


Which, again, can be headcanoned.

2) Not irrelevant, fans play this series with an emotional persepctive. Having a character you like die matters.


You ignoring the other half of my statement is really srtating to irritate me.

3) Why does the gameplay perspective have to change?...the story perspective does.


Because this isn't a movie. Say what you will of Call of Duty, but Black Ops 2 has choices that are far more meaningful than ME3. From an emotional standpoint, the mission "Suffer with Me" is a prime example, without going into spoilers. From a gameplay reason, every single Strike Force mission are other examples. If you fail to complete them, various countries are forcibly conscipted into the SDC and become in-game enemies during the final level, ultimately making your game harder. It's a loss in terms of story because those countries are now working for the enemy, when they could have joined the U.S. and JSOC in battling Menendez.

4) And why does the choice have to seriously alter the main plot outside the ending? It doesn't. But it matters in the here and now and alters the tone in a significant way where you look at a point in the game differently based on your choices.


I don't know how much more plain I could havebeen when I stated that I'm speaking from a "game" perspective, and not looking at emotional content.

Wildly branching games such as The Witcher 2 and Tactics Ogre can have flaws in their design as well.


What in the entire hell do these have to do with anything?

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For the most part. DA 3 with either be the death blow to my love of Bioware or save it. But Really set ME 3 apart from Anything Else was the blatant lies. I know there is a fine line between over-hyping and straight up false advertising. But Bioware sort of crossed that line.

Modifié par Killdren88, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:41 .


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txgoldrush wrote...

Because a game hated by the majority don't do well in Reader choice awards or win awards.


According to...?

Call of Duty has been winning awards since the beginning of time, but it's been the laughing stock of gaming ever since 2008.

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LinksOcarina wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.


Time will tell if its a success. Financially it should be ok but in terms of future products or even cultural rememberence we shall see, although I am optomistic on both fronts in the end. 


I'm optimistic too. At the expense of getting lectured by Ninja Stan, I personally hope BW gets a kick in the nuts and a slap in the face. It would be a nice wake up call for them.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:39 .


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 Not really, but then again, I always have both feet firmly planted on the ground in terms of expectations and I don't seem to be nearly as emotional about my game purchases as some other people.

But I'm one of those rare guys that enjoyed DA2 just fine, and I even leveled a character to max level on swtor (and the only reason I'm not currently active is because lack of time and money to invest in a mmo).

If you were to ask me "Would you buy DA3 or ME4 right now on day 1?" My answer would be "Maybe, i'll have to read review/previews, try the demo, watch some gameplay videos, etc".

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Financially maybe, but I certainly don't think it's paved the way for future success from the company.

In my opinion.


In your opinion...there you go.

However, future success also is about taking successsful risks and not relying on the same formula over and over.

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txgoldrush wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

























Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.


You mean almost every magazine and gaming critic?


If EA/BW would give me alot of money then I would(I'd lie) tell everyone what a splendifferus and marvelous game ME3 was.

Money talks Bulls**t walks B)

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o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Because a game hated by the majority don't do well in Reader choice awards or win awards.


According to...?

Call of Duty has been winning awards since the beginning of time, but it's been the laughing stock of gaming ever since 2008.


Well, by hardcore grognards at least who loathe all the bros and kids kill-stealing and camping their spots.

It's why most of them play TF2. 

As much as I hate Call of Duty as a series, I have to admit though it did do a lot of things right in terms of perfecting the FPS design.

The problem now is changing the monotomy. Supposedly Black Ops 2 actually did that, but I didn't play it so I can't comment. 

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o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Because a game hated by the majority don't do well in Reader choice awards or win awards.


According to...?

Call of Duty has been winning awards since the beginning of time, but it's been the laughing stock of gaming ever since 2008.


And yet, are those people laughing and bashing Call of Duty the majority? Or does the silent majority play th egames enjoy them and not have to show it on message boards?

Modifié par txgoldrush, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:42 .


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Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.


You mean almost every magazine and gaming critic?


If EA/BW would give me alot of money then I would(I'd lie) tell everyone what a splendifferus and marvelous game ME3 was.

Money talks Bulls**t walks B)


Except thats a fantasy, so your kidding yourself if you believe in that. 

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txgoldrush wrote...
In your opinion...there you go.

However, future success also is about taking successsful risks and not relying on the same formula over and over.


I don't know why making a game that plays out based entirely on the players choices and actions is a bad thing. If BW made every game like ME1, ME2, or KotOR (narrative wise), I probably wouldn't even bother buying from any other company.

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txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Because a game hated by the majority don't do well in Reader choice awards or win awards.


According to...?

Call of Duty has been winning awards since the beginning of time, but it's been the laughing stock of gaming ever since 2008.


And yet, are those people laughing and bashing Call of Duty the majority? Or does the silent majority play th egames enjoy them and not have to show it on message boards?


I don't know.

Which is my point. You don't know either. Nobody does. People who say "vocal minority" are all equally retarded, regardless who they're talking about.

Modifié par o Ventus, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:44 .


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No? I can't believe this Ending crap is still going on.

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#148
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To be fair, CoD is really just an arcade shooter these days. It's run, shoot, run, shoot, stab.

BF isn't much better at it's core, but at least it opens up with its possibilities and options during gameplay.

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Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

























Or how about drop the ignorance and admit while you may not have like ME3, it was objectively a success for Bioware.

Its simple.


Quite the opposite, it was and still is a disaster.

If anyone in his/her's right mind think's that ME3 is a success, then I would recommend a healthy dose of reality.


You mean almost every magazine and gaming critic?


If EA/BW would give me alot of money then I would(I'd lie) tell everyone what a splendifferus and marvelous game ME3 was.

Money talks Bulls**t walks B)


Oh no, its a conspiracy....they don't actually like the game, they were bribed....lol

Seriously, if gaming site are bribed and EA has the money, than why do EA titles routinely critically tank, including the atrocity known as Medal of Honor Warfighter?

maybe because they don't bribe, their bad games do get called out, and the fact is that gaming critics really liked ME3.

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

No? I can't believe this Ending crap is still going on.


Miranda won't be in the next game.