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[fiendishchicken]

garrusfan1 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Ashley? Why Ashley? Ashley has less content than Kaidan and is somewhat cold towards Liara, Tali, and Garrus.

Yeah Ashley got screwed when it came to dialouge content which really pussed me off. She isn't cold towards them I think

What pissed me off was that I couldn't be even meaner to her. I wanted to see the catfight between her and Miranda, and I certainly wished to see everyone be colder to her. 

She's the only one of the old squad that refused to join, that refused to listen to reason, and has trust issues (after Shepard has proven time and again what he's fighting for). She's too wrapped up in her beloved alliance to see past that. 

And I can't call her out on it. And the other squadmembers don't.

Before you say "Wrex and Liara" didn't join, look at what was going on for them. Wrex was a little busy keeping the Krogan in line, and Liara, though being very obsessed with the SB on Illium, had to run the SB business after you do LotSB. They both help when they can though.

[Han Shot First]

Mcfly616 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Garrus, Thane, Kasumi, James, Legion, Kaidan, Zaeed are the best squadmates I have had....Ashley with Black Widow as runner up.

James is annoying some times and isn't it ironic how Kasumi who is a thief is actually a really good squademate even though she really shouldn't be

I adore James personally...his such an insobordinate sh*thead and I say that in an endearing manner.........Shep needed some grounding.

As for Kasumi...I know right....lol.......in all fairness, no matter how much I love her, she did not belong on a 'Death Squad'....but she did kick serious *ss....

its good to see someone else likes Vega as a character. He definitely didnt deserve all the hate and "Jersey Shore" stereotypes he got before the game released. He is downright hilarious. He's a tool. But hilarious nonetheless. (And we all have atleast one friend that fits that bill)

I think Vega is the best human character Bioware created, at least out of the non-DLC human squadmates. He would have been a lot more popular I think if he had been around since ME1 or ME2.

People tend to hate on him because their favorite ME2 squadmate didn't make the cut in ME3, and they (wrongly) see Vega as being the reason.

[thepimpto]

Vega supporting the MAKO, he gets my respect, but still don't use him.

[TheWerdna]

o Ventus wrote...

TheWerdna wrote...

Well Thane's ME2 writer apparently didn't even work on ME3

I did not know about the Miranda thing however.

Yep. Mac Walters wrote crit-path Miranda in ME2 (that is, everything that isn't optional, like loyalty or romance). Patrick Weekes did her ME2 loyalty and romance, IIRC. 

In ME3, Jay Watamaniuk (that name is the antichrist) wrote her.

Damn, that really sucks. I go really feel bad for all you guys whose favorite characters got screwed over, as I know I would be upset if I were in the same boat.

Now I am feeling very thankful that my favorite character (Tali) was written by the same writter (Patrick Weekes) in all three games (or atleast ME2 and ME3, sorta unsure on ME1 actually)

[StayFrosty05]

Han Shot First wrote...


I think Vega is the best human character Bioware created, at least out of the non-DLC human squadmates. He would have been a lot more popular I think if he had been around since ME1 or ME2.

People tend to hate on him because their favorite ME2 squadmate didn't make the cut in ME3, and they (wrongly) see Vega as being the reason.

I 100% agree on every point Han....I think you have nailed it....By the way, you have the best user name to be had, I love it....

[Mcfly616]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mcfly that side mission was pretty good but I like how he got more laid back or at least less strict then he was in ME1. Also I know the side mission your talking about was in ME1

I like his character growth a lot. I actually think Garrus and Liara have the most character growth in the series. The difference for me is that I was turned off about the change in Liara. The reason I gravitated to her in the first place was because she was so naive yet curious. That changed drastically.

Garrus turned from someone that was anxious to make a difference, to someone that had experienced it and got used to it. And became a straight up boss. I feel like Shep and Garrus are the ultimate tag team. I hold them right up there with Chief and Cortana.

And I thought I was the only one that felt that way....it's good to see I am not alone....I used to think Liara was rather sweet and cute in her fumbling manner.....she was endearing....as for now, I think I am pretty infamous for the way I feel about her now....

I still love her. It just goes to show, nobody stays innocent forever. The world/galaxy is harsh place. Eventually everybody wisens up and become a bit more callous. Her private moments with Shepard in ME3, bring back some of the old Liara.

[Mcfly616]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mcfly actually Tali's character progressed the most I think she went from a kid to someone who is capable of doing extremly dangerous missions
Edit come on she became an admiral

that was just a "technicality" lol

She did mature a lot. But yeah, the reason I could never romance her is because she always came off as my Shep's kid sister

[Mcfly616]

fiendishchicken wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Ashley? Why Ashley? Ashley has less content than Kaidan and is somewhat cold towards Liara, Tali, and Garrus.

Yeah Ashley got screwed when it came to dialouge content which really pussed me off. She isn't cold towards them I think

Before you say "Wrex and Liara" didn't join, look at what was going on for them. Wrex was a little busy keeping the Krogan in line, and Liara, though being very obsessed with the SB on Illium, had to run the SB business after you do LotSB. They both help when they can though.

they're helping and preparing in even bigger ways for what's to come.....its understandable they couldnt join in ME2

[StayFrosty05]

Mcfly616 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mcfly that side mission was pretty good but I like how he got more laid back or at least less strict then he was in ME1. Also I know the side mission your talking about was in ME1

I like his character growth a lot. I actually think Garrus and Liara have the most character growth in the series. The difference for me is that I was turned off about the change in Liara. The reason I gravitated to her in the first place was because she was so naive yet curious. That changed drastically.

Garrus turned from someone that was anxious to make a difference, to someone that had experienced it and got used to it. And became a straight up boss. I feel like Shep and Garrus are the ultimate tag team. I hold them right up there with Chief and Cortana.

And I thought I was the only one that felt that way....it's good to see I am not alone....I used to think Liara was rather sweet and cute in her fumbling manner.....she was endearing....as for now, I think I am pretty infamous for the way I feel about her now....

I still love her. It just goes to show, nobody stays innocent forever. The world/galaxy is harsh place. Eventually everybody wisens up and become a bit more callous. Her private moments with Shepard in ME3, bring back some of the old Liara.

Unfortunately due to other matters....it got lost on me...I don't actually get any kind of weird kick out of disliking a character, in fact it leaves me a little sad as I know I am missing out on something I could really enjoy and immerse myself in otherwise....I just wish the BW writer had reined in his personal passion a little and left RP up to the RP'ers....as it stands he has placed Liara squarely on my sh*t list of character fatigue....I think my greatest issue is that I can't RP with her, my choice being taken away...Does that make sense?

[Belisarius25]

fiendishchicken wrote...

She's the only one of the old squad that refused to join, that refused to listen to reason, and has trust issues (after Shepard has proven time and again what he's fighting for). She's too wrapped up in her beloved alliance to see past that.

Well, she's an active Alliance officer and Shepard appears to be cooperating with an organization that was doing things like experimenting on colonists, ambushing marines and killing Rear Admiral Kahoku. It's not really surprising that Ashley (or Kaidan) gets upset.  I know you're a TIM fan and (I think) like ME2 Cerberus, but neither VS has any reason to like them, regardless of who's in your party. The conversation's also where Shepard springs the "Actually I was dead, Cerberus just rebuilt me", which isn't really all that reassuring.


In ME3, she's suspicious, sure, but if you use paragon conversation items she gets over it before the tram in Mars, I don't get why people act like she harps on it that long - it's two conversations.

Before you say "Wrex and Liara" didn't join, look at what was going on for them. Wrex was a little busy keeping the Krogan in line, and Liara, though being very obsessed with the SB on Illium, had to run the SB business after you do LotSB. They both help when they can though.

Have you not talked to Anderson post-Horizon, because the VS is doing the same thing. Ashley/Kaidan are acting on his behalf and trying to track down evidence on the Collectors and on the Reapers to get the Alliance to prepare.  The problem is that all of their stuff takes place entirely offscreen because Bioware didn't want either of them in ME2 (for whatever reason, I wasn't playing ME at the time . It's an editorial decision (since Liara would have been largely the same but got her own DLC instead).

Anyway, didn't mean to single you out, I just thought calling Ashley 'ideal' in Bioware's eyes doesn't really make sense to me because I thought the editorial decisions they made in ME2 and 3 (sidelining her/Kaidan for almost all of ME2, having them remain distant heading into ME3 for nebulous reasons, retaining the suspicion basically to set up the coup controntation "drama") aren't the kind you'd expect if that was the case.

I think Liara obviously gets a lot of attention as essentially the co-protagonist and is intended to be seen as integral to the various missions as well as Shepard (LI or not), I think Garrus/Tali are a step below that, and after that it's pretty much hit or miss once you get to ME3 (With ME2 characters getting a pretty raw deal).

Modifié par Belisarius25, 04 janvier 2013 - 07:18 .

[Mcfly616]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mcfly that side mission was pretty good but I like how he got more laid back or at least less strict then he was in ME1. Also I know the side mission your talking about was in ME1

I like his character growth a lot. I actually think Garrus and Liara have the most character growth in the series. The difference for me is that I was turned off about the change in Liara. The reason I gravitated to her in the first place was because she was so naive yet curious. That changed drastically.

Garrus turned from someone that was anxious to make a difference, to someone that had experienced it and got used to it. And became a straight up boss. I feel like Shep and Garrus are the ultimate tag team. I hold them right up there with Chief and Cortana.

And I thought I was the only one that felt that way....it's good to see I am not alone....I used to think Liara was rather sweet and cute in her fumbling manner.....she was endearing....as for now, I think I am pretty infamous for the way I feel about her now....

I still love her. It just goes to show, nobody stays innocent forever. The world/galaxy is harsh place. Eventually everybody wisens up and become a bit more callous. Her private moments with Shepard in ME3, bring back some of the old Liara.

Unfortunately due to other matters....it got lost on me...I don't actually get any kind of weird kick out of disliking a character, in fact it leaves me a little sad as I know I am missing out on something I could really enjoy and immerse myself in otherwise....I just wish the BW writer had reined in his personal passion a little and left RP up to the RP'ers....as it stands he has placed Liara squarely on my sh*t list of character fatigue....I think my greatest issue is that I can't RP with her, my choice being taken away...Does that make sense?

I understand. Though, this isn't something that has been mutually exclusive to Liara. FemShep hasn't been able to roleplay Jacob ever. You either flirt with him everytime you talk, or don't talk to him at all. And either way he ends up with Brynn.

[Mihait]

Mcfly616 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mcfly that side mission was pretty good but I like how he got more laid back or at least less strict then he was in ME1. Also I know the side mission your talking about was in ME1

I like his character growth a lot. I actually think Garrus and Liara have the most character growth in the series. The difference for me is that I was turned off about the change in Liara. The reason I gravitated to her in the first place was because she was so naive yet curious. That changed drastically.

Well,  things like reapers, mass killings, and constant danger tend to do away with wide-eyed naivety. Previously to ME1, Liara probably never experienced any of those things, at least not in the way she does after her path joins with Shephard's. In my opinion, it would have been wrong to make her remain the same as she was. Specially after she became the shadow broker. I mean, just imagine all the broken pedestals! That by itself was probably enough.

Modifié par Mihait, 04 janvier 2013 - 07:35 .

[StayFrosty05]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I understand. Though, this isn't something that has been mutually exclusive to Liara. FemShep hasn't been able to roleplay Jacob ever. You either flirt with him everytime you talk, or don't talk to him at all. And either way he ends up with Brynn.

I haven't played a femShep but did google it on hearing the rumors and quickly understood what people were so riled about....I felt the same to a lesser extent about Miranda with manShep...to ask her about the mission insisted Shep also gently ask her about herself and had to be so careful with her dialogs to not fall into 'I think your wonderful Miranda' trap....I haven't really explored trying to RP colder relationships with Garrus and Tali, but they probably fall into the same leage also.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 04 janvier 2013 - 07:39 .

[Han Shot First]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I understand. Though, this isn't something that has been mutually exclusive to Liara. FemShep hasn't been able to roleplay Jacob ever. You either flirt with him everytime you talk, or don't talk to him at all. And either way he ends up with Brynn.

I haven't played a femShep but did google it on hearing the rumors and quickly understood what people were so riled about....I felt the same to a lesser extent about Miranda with manShep...to ask her about the mission insisted Shep also gently ask her about herself and had to be so careful with her dialogs to not fall into 'I think your wonderful Miranda' trap....I haven't really explored trying to RP colder relationships with Garrus and Tali, but they probably fall into the same leage also.

With Tali if you're friendly she'll misinterpret it as romantic interest. When she asks Shepard if he's interested, there are three options. The first of course if the "Hell yes!" option, the second is a gentle 'thanks, but no thanks' and the third if the 'Fvck no' option. If you try to go for the gentle rejection, Shepard will say something like, "I'd like to Tali, but it is too dangerous." Tali takes that as a resounding yes.

It gets awkward if Shepard is meanwhile pursuing one of the other LIs. Tali will later confront Shepard and ask him to choose, as if she didn't get a straight answer before.

[StayFrosty05]

Han Shot First wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I understand. Though, this isn't something that has been mutually exclusive to Liara. FemShep hasn't been able to roleplay Jacob ever. You either flirt with him everytime you talk, or don't talk to him at all. And either way he ends up with Brynn.

I haven't played a femShep but did google it on hearing the rumors and quickly understood what people were so riled about....I felt the same to a lesser extent about Miranda with manShep...to ask her about the mission insisted Shep also gently ask her about herself and had to be so careful with her dialogs to not fall into 'I think your wonderful Miranda' trap....I haven't really explored trying to RP colder relationships with Garrus and Tali, but they probably fall into the same leage also.

With Tali if you're friendly she'll misinterpret it as romantic interest. When she asks Shepard if he's interested, there are three options. The first of course if the "Hell yes!" option, the second is a gentle 'thanks, but no thanks' and the third if the 'Fvck no' option. If you try to go for the gentle rejection, Shepard will say something like, "I'd like to Tali, but it is too dangerous." Tali takes that as a resounding yes.

It gets awkward if Shepard is meanwhile pursuing one of the other LIs. Tali will later confront Shepard and ask him to choose, as if she didn't get a straight answer before.

Yes, I long ago learned to not ask Tali 'Life must be difficult in a suit'........I like Tali, but not that way for Shep.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I understand. Though, this isn't something that has been mutually exclusive to Liara. FemShep hasn't been able to roleplay Jacob ever. You either flirt with him everytime you talk, or don't talk to him at all. And either way he ends up with Brynn.

I haven't played a femShep but did google it on hearing the rumors and quickly understood what people were so riled about....I felt the same to a lesser extent about Miranda with manShep...to ask her about the mission insisted Shep also gently ask her about herself and had to be so careful with her dialogs to not fall into 'I think your wonderful Miranda' trap....I haven't really explored trying to RP colder relationships with Garrus and Tali, but they probably fall into the same leage also.

With Tali if you're friendly she'll misinterpret it as romantic interest. When she asks Shepard if he's interested, there are three options. The first of course if the "Hell yes!" option, the second is a gentle 'thanks, but no thanks' and the third if the 'Fvck no' option. If you try to go for the gentle rejection, Shepard will say something like, "I'd like to Tali, but it is too dangerous." Tali takes that as a resounding yes.

It gets awkward if Shepard is meanwhile pursuing one of the other LIs. Tali will later confront Shepard and ask him to choose, as if she didn't get a straight answer before.

I might not remember correctly, but I thought the middle one was the one where Shepard said "I'm sorry, I don't feel that way about you.". Shepard rejects her rather gently there. Or was that the lowest option?

[Han Shot First]

Lizardviking wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I understand. Though, this isn't something that has been mutually exclusive to Liara. FemShep hasn't been able to roleplay Jacob ever. You either flirt with him everytime you talk, or don't talk to him at all. And either way he ends up with Brynn.

I haven't played a femShep but did google it on hearing the rumors and quickly understood what people were so riled about....I felt the same to a lesser extent about Miranda with manShep...to ask her about the mission insisted Shep also gently ask her about herself and had to be so careful with her dialogs to not fall into 'I think your wonderful Miranda' trap....I haven't really explored trying to RP colder relationships with Garrus and Tali, but they probably fall into the same leage also.

With Tali if you're friendly she'll misinterpret it as romantic interest. When she asks Shepard if he's interested, there are three options. The first of course if the "Hell yes!" option, the second is a gentle 'thanks, but no thanks' and the third if the 'Fvck no' option. If you try to go for the gentle rejection, Shepard will say something like, "I'd like to Tali, but it is too dangerous." Tali takes that as a resounding yes.

It gets awkward if Shepard is meanwhile pursuing one of the other LIs. Tali will later confront Shepard and ask him to choose, as if she didn't get a straight answer before.

I might not remember correctly, but I thought the middle one was the one where Shepard said "I'm sorry, I don't feel that way about you.". Shepard rejects her rather gently there. Or was that the lowest option?

You may be right. I can't recall now whether it was the middle or lowest option. I do know that it is the one where Shepard will say, "I'd like to, but it is too dangerous."

Tali thinks she is Shepard's girlfriend after that, and it gets awkward if that Shep is meanwhile pursuing Miranda or Jack.

I'm guessing it turns into a ninjamance if that Shep is forever alone or waiting for Ashley or Liara. The Suicide Mission would probably trigger Tali's romance scene.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:09 .

[LTKerr]

Garrus + Wrex are

[Zardoc]

My personal favourites are Wrex, Tali and Garrus. Never needed any other squaddies.

David7204 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mihait wrote...

I tend to go with Garrus + Tali nowadays. Garrus is pure gold with his lines, and Tali is love.

Who ever wrote garrus lines in ME2 and ME3 did an AMAZING job 

Mac Walters in ME 2. 

That's a funny way of spelling John Dombrow.

[Sousabird]

I prefer Tali and Garrus, first off IMO they're probably the two best characters, but they also work really well with my biotic shep, think about it, I'm the biotic, Tali does tech, and Garrus is the soldier, all bases covered and all squadies are awesome

[AlanC9]

Han Shot First wrote...

With Tali if you're friendly she'll misinterpret it as romantic interest. When she asks Shepard if he's interested, there are three options. The first of course if the "Hell yes!" option, the second is a gentle 'thanks, but no thanks' and the third if the 'Fvck no' option. If you try to go for the gentle rejection, Shepard will say something like, "I'd like to Tali, but it is too dangerous." Tali takes that as a resounding yes.

I actually liked that a lot. NPCs should misinterpret things from time to time. I would have used a different paraphrase, though.

[Daxamite]

for ME3 i take Garrus and liara. Liara's singularity cleans up all the weak characters and sets things up for BEs, and gives me warp ammo. Garrus can overload stuff. I can take care of anything else.

I never take Tali or EDI - they both tend to die a lot. I dont like James. I take javik sometimes, mostly for emergency grenades or dark channeling. I liked Kaiden. Ash is ok, but i dont liker character so this time i told her she coldnt rejoin the normandy

[Samtheman63]

need a krogan in there yo

[Ameno Xiel]

Yes. At least for me. :-) Bromance+Romance paired with a well rounded skill set(Soldier myself). What more could you want?^^

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

ME1 = Garrus and Liara
ME2 = Garrus and Miranda
ME3 = Garrus and Liara

I play as a solider so I always try to have a biotic and a tech with me.