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[Robhuzz]

Indy_S wrote...

Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

And who the hell pronounces it 'po-tah-toe'?

To me, cutting out an important part of the game that's clearly finished at launch then selling it separately as day 1 dlc is just as abhorrent as selling a game without an ending. In both cases those buying the product are missing out on content that is being withheld on purpose. That's how I see it at least...

[Humakt83]

Play's name is show and tell, not other way around. They won't either deny or confirm IT by just telling it. Wouldn't be anything to gain by just telling. They have to show it first.

Modifié par Humakt83, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:50 .

[Rifneno]

What a retarded thread. It builds on the assumption that the OP's viewpoint is absolute fact, and then actually manages to go downhill from even there.

[KyreneZA]

Indy_S wrote...

Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

And who the hell pronounces it 'po-tah-toe'?

Define "finished product".

[Daniel_N7]

The truth is that nobody knows what's coming down the line with upcoming DLC's. BioWare may not attribute a lot of importance to what each of us says but they are surely monitoring the trends. The fact that the ending is still an issue, that it still generates interest and often passionate debate, that many gamers are still hanging by the threads of hope and expectation, is relevant.

It doesn't mean it will influence or determine what BioWare is going to do. Undoubtedly, by now, all decisions have been made inside BioWare regarding whatever Mass Effect 3 DLC's that are still in the pipeline.

Personally, I don't think Indoctrination is going to happen - although I think it was a brilliant fan-made creation. Going back to the question, BioWare hasn't confirmed or denied the Indoctrination Theory out of respect for a part of its fanbase.

However, I'm not so sure about the endings being shut down as they are. But that of course is the realm of more speculation. The future will tell...

[ElSuperGecko]

Indy_S wrote...
Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

Incorrect.  It would be a cliffhanger ending - just like many, many games have had this generation.  It is not a new thing in the industry, and we already know there's going to be a Mass Effect 4.

Also, the ME3 story itself isn't finished yet - there is more DLC still to come.

[Jadebaby]

Because it is one of many valid interpretations of the ending events.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:12 .

[Rifneno]

There's a difference between an unfinished story, and an unfinished game. They sold a finished game. If IT, the story were lead to believe is over is not really over. That's not cool, but it's not as if the game is unfinished. If literal, then the story is just insanely stupid. That's not really cool either. But again, it was a finished game.

[Eryri]

Rifneno wrote...

There's a difference between an unfinished story, and an unfinished game. They sold a finished game. If IT, the story were lead to believe is over is not really over. That's not cool, but it's not as if the game is unfinished. If literal, then the story is just insanely stupid. That's not really cool either. But again, it was a finished game.

You've hit the nail on the head there. 

Who was it who said that "no movie is ever truly "finished" in the eyes of its creator"? I think the same may be true here.

[Jadebaby]

It would be another lie they say thatt Shepard's story ended with 3 then. Not a good way to start out considering what happened with all the pre release quotes.

[GimmeDaGun]

 I think it's because it's easier for them not to interfere and take a stand in something that is not their intellectual product (IT), but creative fans'. They also support free interpretation and speculation. If IT is something that they never had in their minds, why rule it out as a way of interpretation of the ending, while spoil something creative and fun (inb4: I know that many who support IT does it because they find the ending bad, awful, blasphemous etc.etc.). Even if I never supported this idea and I didn't interpret the ending as the ITers, I find it creative... only sometimes it gets annoying and over the top when some people tend to see hidden and deliberate hints behind every single bush and in every corner and they use them as proof for their theory... that's too conspiracy theorist and overanalitic for my taste.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:32 .

[estebanus]

There's a reason why they wanted their enfing to be ambiguous.They probably wante people to interpret it differently, and the IT is just as valid an interpretation of the ending as any other.Every interpretation of the ending is equally valid.

Hell, if I'd say that the entire ending is actually just a wet dream Shepard has, it'd still be a valid interpretation.

Modifié par estebanus, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:44 .

[Dr_Extrem]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Indy_S wrote...
Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

Incorrect.  It would be a cliffhanger ending - just like many, many games have had this generation.  It is not a new thing in the industry, and we already know there's going to be a Mass Effect 4.

Also, the ME3 story itself isn't finished yet - there is more DLC still to come.

i like cliffhangers - the problem with this one was, that the game was sold as "the last game of the trilogy". now we know, that they are planing a 4th game - but 10 months ago, it was a cliffhanger, that was meant to hang on forever.

about the dlc - imo, it is an insolence, to sell the (story-)end of a trilogy separately.

only our perspective changed.

[Peranor]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Indy_S wrote...
Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

Incorrect.  It would be a cliffhanger ending - just like many, many games have had this generation.  It is not a new thing in the industry, and we already know there's going to be a Mass Effect 4.

Also, the ME3 story itself isn't finished yet - there is more DLC still to come.

i like cliffhangers - the problem with this one was, that the game was sold as "the last game of the trilogy". now we know, that they are planing a 4th game - but 10 months ago, it was a cliffhanger, that was meant to hang on forever.

about the dlc - imo, it is an insolence, to sell the (story-)end of a trilogy separately.

only our perspective changed.

Same here, I like cliffhangers. But not cliffhangers that are meant to hang on forever as you said.

And even though they are working on "ME4" we're still stuck with ME3's cliffhanger I'm afraid.

[estebanus]

anorling wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Indy_S wrote...
Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

Incorrect.  It would be a cliffhanger ending - just like many, many games have had this generation.  It is not a new thing in the industry, and we already know there's going to be a Mass Effect 4.

Also, the ME3 story itself isn't finished yet - there is more DLC still to come.

i like cliffhangers - the problem with this one was, that the game was sold as "the last game of the trilogy". now we know, that they are planing a 4th game - but 10 months ago, it was a cliffhanger, that was meant to hang on forever.

about the dlc - imo, it is an insolence, to sell the (story-)end of a trilogy separately.

only our perspective changed.

Same here, I like cliffhangers. But not cliffhangers that are meant to hang on forever as you said.

And even though they are working on "ME4" we're still stuck with ME3's cliffhanger I'm afraid.

Didn't they say in an interview that ME4's setting will be completely different from ME3's? That kinda really sounds like Shep's story is totally over.

[Pantanplan]

Rifneno wrote...

What a retarded thread. It builds on the assumption that the OP's viewpoint is absolute fact, and then actually manages to go downhill from even there.

Where did I state anything as fact? The IT is not true. It would have been cool if it were, but it isn't. I think that at this point it's pretty clear.

[Mr.Racoon]

Guys, guys, guys come on. The answer is simple.

The mere notion of IT attracts much needed social attention to the series, as it was pointed out before if BW approved of it, it would cause more harm to them than profit ( releasing an unfinished product and such) Now if they left it ambiguous it would still cause debate among gamers even if it wasn't their original intent ( and it really wasn't)

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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Pantanplan wrote...

Why does Bioware refuse to deny the Indoctrination Theory?

Because its stupid.

[Peranor]

estebanus wrote...

anorling wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Indy_S wrote...
Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

Incorrect.  It would be a cliffhanger ending - just like many, many games have had this generation.  It is not a new thing in the industry, and we already know there's going to be a Mass Effect 4.

Also, the ME3 story itself isn't finished yet - there is more DLC still to come.

i like cliffhangers - the problem with this one was, that the game was sold as "the last game of the trilogy". now we know, that they are planing a 4th game - but 10 months ago, it was a cliffhanger, that was meant to hang on forever.

about the dlc - imo, it is an insolence, to sell the (story-)end of a trilogy separately.

only our perspective changed.

Same here, I like cliffhangers. But not cliffhangers that are meant to hang on forever as you said.

And even though they are working on "ME4" we're still stuck with ME3's cliffhanger I'm afraid.

Didn't they say in an interview that ME4's setting will be completely different from ME3's? That kinda really sounds like Shep's story is totally over.

Yeah. that's what I meant. The cliffhanger will never be resolved since ME4 will have nothing to do with Shepard or his story.

[GimmeDaGun]

Mr.Racoon wrote...

Guys, guys, guys come on. The answer is simple.

The mere notion of IT attracts much needed social attention to the series, as it was pointed out before if BW approved of it, it would cause more harm to them than profit ( releasing an unfinished product and such) Now if they left it ambiguous it would still cause debate among gamers even if it wasn't their original intent ( and it really wasn't)

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Grrrrrr... touche!  Lets the killing start... 

[Indy_S]

@ Kyrene: The "finished product" is when the creation of the developers matches their scope, fulfills the criteria given it and the product is made available to the public. The criteria it failed to give was 'answers to everything', and wrapping up the central conflict. That second point is also within their scope. It was ignored.

@ ElSuperGecko: Cliffhangar endings are about building suspense, the amount of repulsion generated by this ending is counter-productive to that. As Dr_Extrem says below you, it's the end of a trilogy, so the resolution of the central conflict is important. Also, DLC is irrelevant. If a book relies on the release of appendices in order to continue the narrative, it's a terrible book. Most who read the book or play ME3 are being sold an incomplete narrative.

@ estebanus: If they said that, it's to try and minimize the effect of ME3's ending choice playing any part in it.

@ Mr.Racoon: That answer is simple and probably a part of why they're keeping their collective mouths shut.

[Mr.Racoon]

Indy_S wrote...

@ Kyrene: The "finished product" is when the creation of the developers matches their scope, fulfills the criteria given it and the product is made available to the public. The criteria it failed to give was 'answers to everything', and wrapping up the central conflict. That second point is also within their scope. It was ignored. 

@ ElSuperGecko: Cliffhangar endings are about building suspense, the amount of repulsion generated by this ending is counter-productive to that. As Dr_Extrem says below you, it's the end of a trilogy, so the resolution of the central conflict is important. Also, DLC is irrelevant. If a book relies on the release of appendices in order to continue the narrative, it's a terrible book. Most who read the book or play ME3 are being sold an incomplete narrative.

@ estebanus: If they said that, it's to try and minimize the effect of ME3's ending choice playing any part in it.

@ Mr.Racoon: That answer is simple and probably a part of why they're keeping their collective mouths shut.

i am correct and that's the main reason, why are we still debating?

[Deadpool9]

If IT was intended, the final DLC, probably this DLC, revealing the true ending would've been written long ago. They would not now need to call all the writers back in. It's hard to believe that they would make a game, take 9 months off, then finally get around to writing the true ending on which relies the game's ultimate payoff.

[ElSuperGecko]

davishepard wrote...
They don't need to deny this crap theory. Anyone that still believes it after EC and Leviathan is pitiful, to say the least.
IT was undestandable before the EC, in response to the not-so-good endings, being a mean to deny everything that happened. That is not the case anymore.

Anyone who believes EC and Leviathan debunked the Indoctrination Theory clearly either hasn't played them or simply wasn't paying enough attention when they did.

[ElSuperGecko]

Deadpool9 wrote...
If IT was intended, the final DLC, probably this DLC, revealing the true ending would've been written long ago. They would not now need to call all the writers back in. It's hard to believe that they would make a game, take 9 months off, then finally get around to writing the true ending on which relies the game's ultimate payoff.

Incorrect.  Ever head of publishing deadlines?

That's like saying JK Rowling should have released all the Harry Potter books in one go if she knew how the series was going to end...