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[GraphicOps]

Actually I'm bitter, annoyed, and still feel empty inside. I should've told Mac Walters what I thought when I saw him at Comic Con, but I figured he would've probably called security because I told him I didn't like it.

Looking forward to ME4 as long as it's a reboot also if they have a new lead writer. Can we get Drew Karpyshyn back? In fact if Mass Effect 4 was to take place in the same Universe as the trilogy than they completely ruined their point of having a open ending.

and if they do a prequel it won't work. It has to be reboot

They don't acknowledge IT or vice versa because they don't want to alienate their fans. I anticipate we won't see major gameplay trailers of the new game and we will see CG trailers to excite us about stuff that isn't in the game... Ya know like that awesome CG ME3 end fight trailer with the Mako's charging...

Whew... Sorry, in short they don't want to lose money and make people mad. Did I mention I was bitter?

[Nightwriter]

Why do they deny the all-but-confirmed rumor that Chris Priestly has a Justin Bieber altar in his closet? That's what I want to know.

I can't be the only one who picked up on his Bieberfan vibes. I thought I caught him wearing a Bieber wig once but he snatched it off really fast and it might have just been an upturned mop that someone had swished around in circles before leaning upright against the wall now that I think about it. I remember a Rocko's Modern Life episode where Spunky fell in love with a mop, that was probably Chris Priestly as well but how did he get that Bieber wig before Bieber was famous. What were we talking about?

[AlexMBrennan]

Simples - because chris no longer works at Bioware.

[N7Gold]

SR72 wrote...

This game has been out for nearly 2 years, you guys have had plenty of time to make up your own minds on whether it was the case or not. If you'd rather just stand around and wait, well you might be waiting forever. I don't understand why people are playing a game which requires them to make decisions, yet they can't decide whether something was true or not.

So that bit you posted earlier about how "you can decide whatever ending is best for you" was just b.s., eh? People either agree with you or they're wrong. Unless this post is the b.s. post, of course.

No different than you "literalists" posting that article titled "Fans are Right" all over the internet, and every who doesn't agree with them is a troll. Believe me I've read such replies. Anyone who agrees is cool, but everyone else is a troll or their post is useless (eg. spam). Looks like you can't handle people having different opinions either.

ME3 story & plot is nothing more than a mess

Then why are you still here? Or do you just enjoy wallowing in self-pity because they ruined your favorite game? Writing posts like that to see if anyone who will cry on your shoulder and feel sorry for you. No one really cares.

With so rushed an ending it feels like they drew from Deus Ex's ending

The options are similar, but that's it. Synthesis is what Saren wants. TIM wants to control, and Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers. This wasn't just a copy and paste. Maybe if people had an attention span longer than that of a gnat, they'd be able to see that. Refuse was sort of hinted at by Saren (submit to Reapers, than pick the options given).

Actually submitting to the Reapers is the same as Synthesis.  Under indoctrination, Saren desired all life, organics and synthetics to live to see another day without opposing the Reapers because they cannot be defeated (or so it seemed), and because too many lives will have to be sacrificed for "petty" freedoms, instead, he wanted everyone to submit to the Reapers, be useful to them, help them achieve their goal (which is to reach the ideal solution, Synthesis) and create a peaceful utopia for organics and synthetics, where organics obtain the strengths of synthetics, and no lives have to be sacrificed to achieve peace.

If you ask me, it is Sovereign, who indoctrinated Saren and follows the commands of the Catalyst who wants Synthesis, not Saren himself. Before he was indoctrinated, all he cared about was avenging his brother and putting humans "in their place". His indoctrination slowly changed his priorities.

Modifié par N7Gold, 27 décembre 2013 - 12:11 .

[Lunch Box1912]

I'm sorry but didn't the ME Bioware panel at the Comic Con San Diego two years ago shoot down the Indoctrination Theory? I remember watching it on you tube and wanting to throw up when they did so. The idiots had the perfect out from the garbage they released and they refused it.

I'm on an android, so if someone has the link it would be much appreciated.

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 27 décembre 2013 - 08:38 .

[Lunch Box1912]

you big stupid jellyfish

[Lunch Box1912]

Lol

[Ithurael]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

I'm sorry but didn't the ME Bioware panel at the Comic Con San Diego two years ago shoot down the Indoctrination Theory? I remember watching it on you tube and wanting to throw up when they did so. The idiots had the perfect out from the garbage they released and they refused it.

I'm on an android, so if someone has the link it would be much appreciated.

I think they said the didn't want to be presriptive in the interpretation of the endings. Granted that is a bit of PR speak. IT served its purpose though, it gave fans an outlet to believe that the ending was better and could be greater. As a result many bought and played all the DLCs and such and no longer bashed bio on these forums - hell many of them defended bioware which is hilarious given what happened later on.

Gambol did, however, confirm shep is on the citadel for the post breath scene (thus ruling out classic IT as biowares interpretation) And Ninja Stan did say that IT was a fan-based theory/interpretation.

IMO IT was better but both IT and Literal had major issues and relied on a bit too much headcanon. I prefer a story to at the very least make sense without using wild retcons or 'speculations for everyone' but that is me.
:wizard:

[CDTheBookMan]

Shepard is TOTALLY indoctrinated by the end of the game. The dream sequences show the oily shadows the Rachni queen talked about. The SR2 was basically constructed with Reaper tech. During Arrival, Shepard is shot with a blast from a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated SCIENTISTS studying to not be indoctrinated. Shepard favors a gunshot wound Anderson received. The Star Child was the child that had been haunting Shepard throughout the entire game. Shepard survives when he/she destroys the Reapers rather than allows them to continue as the Reapers would have preferred. Ground zero beneath the conduit is covered with corpses wearing Ashley and Kaiden's armors during ME1 after Shepard is shot down by Harbinger. It's a total fact that I could use this forum to go through the many lines of proof, but let's just state the obvious: Shepard is indoctrinated by the end of ME3, if not throughout ME3. Why they keep denying it: Because they are owned by EA and want you to buy the next game.

[Possessed Turian]

My biggest question for bioware is, if someone can write a Mass Effect story, supporting the 4 endings using the indoctrination theory, would Bioware pick it up? If they do that means a lot of money for them and EA. If they don't that means they do not listen to the fan and they don't give a crap about there fans. Now to get mine on the record here. I have written a story that supports all endings to Mass Effect 3. It gives a much more logical, non magical end to the story, and brings a racist concept back from Mass Effect 1. The Reapers are not the end. Xenophobia and anti synthetic beliefs are the end. Shepard drives the ending, how it ends is your decision. it leaves great consequences for us in the following games. I can leave the universe much more open than they did and cause much more destruction on the universe at the same time.

PS I do realize I sound a little arrogant, but when working with corporations such is Bioware and EA you must shove your concepts down their throat. You must be like Javik, because they are like the council, and don't want to move on their Reaper threat.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 28 décembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[liggy002]

Possessed Turian wrote...

My biggest question for by where is, if someone can write a Mass Effect story, supporting the 4 endings using the indoctrination theory, would Bioware pick it up? If they do that means a lot of money for them and EA. If they don't that means they do not listen to the fan and they don't give a crap about there fans. Now to get mine on the record here. I have written a story that supports all endings to Mass Effect 3. It gives a much more logical, non magical end to the story, and brings a racist concept back from Mass Effect 1. The Reapers are not the end. Xenophobia and anti synthetic beliefs are the end. Shepard drives the ending, how it ends is your decision. it leaves great consequences for us in the following games. I can leave the universe much more open than they did and cause much more destruction on the universe at the same time.

PS I do realize I sound a little arrogant, but when working with corporations such is Bioware and EA you must shove your concepts down their throat. You must be like Javik, because they are like the council, and don't want to move on their Reaper threat.

The answer is no.  Bioware / EA does not care about what any of us write.  If you really want your ending, write it yourself and then design an alternate ending yourself.

[AlanC9]

It's OK to be arrogant if you've got something to back it up with. So far all I'm seeing is the arrogance.

[AlanC9]

CDTheBookMan wrote...

It's a total fact that I could use this forum to go through the many lines of proof, but let's just state the obvious: Shepard is indoctrinated by the end of ME3, if not throughout ME3. Why they keep denying it: Because they are owned by EA and want you to buy the next game.

I'm sure you could bore us indefinitely with your "proof," but I'm more interested in the theory. How does denying IT sell the next game, exactly?

[Possessed Turian]

AlanC9 wrote...

It's OK to be arrogant if you've got something to back it up with. So far all I'm seeing is the arrogance.

you want proof here read what i have. a unfinished 320 k story I've been working on sense march


http://www.fanfictio...ffect-Awakening

I work every day on this cranking out 1000 words a day.

sorry the link isn't click able. I'm on a android.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 28 décembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[Possessed Turian]

liggy002 wrote...

The answer is no.  Bioware / EA does not care about what any of us write.  If you really want your ending, write it yourself and then design an alternate ending yourself.

no offense but you're not bioware so i can't take your word for it, and if you are bioware in disguise that's a hell of a slap to fans

[Lunch Box1912]

Possessed Turian wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

The answer is no.  Bioware / EA does not care about what any of us write.  If you really want your ending, write it yourself and then design an alternate ending yourself.

no offense but you're not bioware so i can't take your word for it, and if you are bioware in disguise that's a hell of a slap to fans

You must be new here, liggy002 speaks the truth..

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 28 décembre 2013 - 06:17 .

[Possessed Turian]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...


You must be new here, liggy002 speaks the truth..

not that new, I'm just not one to give up hope. besides bioware has to like money IT is a great way for more money.

[Lunch Box1912]

Your hope will end in vain.

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 28 décembre 2013 - 07:32 .

[Mangalores]

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

I thought this has been made clear.

S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-O-N.

The endings were supposed to be vague, and they are certainly doing their best at keeping it that way.

The endings aren't vague but incoherent and a confused mess. Sure, that fuels speculation but that is not a good thing concerning the endings!


I don't even know what is supposed to be vague about them. It's everything definitive said in them that's problem.

Modifié par Mangalores, 28 décembre 2013 - 11:25 .

[SwobyJ]

Face of Darkness wrote...

I think I'm just saying IT antagonists seem to be defining indoctrination too sharply. The Cerberus scientists are just an example, Shepard doesn't need to become indoctrinated in that same fashion. He doesn't spend a lot of time with any one Reaper influence, but he does witness or have direct contact with nearly every single possible one; Saren, Benezia, the Thorian, Sovereign, the derelict Reaper, TIM, Harbinger, and endless Reaper forces

I don't even think Shepard is necessarily indoctrinated at any point. I think too many of you view it a little black and white when it is more of a struggle between two forces; the mental will of Shepard, and the machine configuration that the Reapers use to electrically interact with the neurons of the brain. While indoctrination seems like an invincible weapon, it's actually a two way street which allows a will strong enough to fight back against indoctrination and instead influence the Reapers.

This is what I see when the Catalyst says "my solution will no longer work." The entire conversation with the Catalyst is the first time the Reapers acknowledge you on an equal level, and allow you to decide the future. You're not actually at the Citadel, it is just a space which you and the Reapers can both interpret in similar fashion, giving you very straightforward options

Great post BTW.

Leviathan DLC and more tries to expand our understanding of Indoctrination imo. We just have to have the eyes to see, ears to hear, and effort to think it through.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 29 décembre 2013 - 12:03 .

[SwobyJ]

Face of Darkness wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Weird things happen in ME. Legion was as reasonable as, say, discovering Tali's magic voice recording exactly when we needed it. You want the rest of the list?

Haha weird things happen in ME, but Shepard indoctrination is not one of them?

And are you seriously proposing that Legion's entire existence is a product of Indoctrination?

Or purposely put there by the Reapers

Though I have to say, Legion is real.

Some aspects of him, maybe maybe not. Maybe.

But his existence is most likely.

[SwobyJ]

AlanC9 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

obviously they aren't gonna deny it because we are all gonna find out how ME3 is actually just an alternate dimension that was brought about through time travel.

Paraphrased from the crazy section of the crazies on the IT forum

Please tell me this is satire.

It's him being silly.

I'm from the 'crazy section' and we have nothing about alternate dimensions.

There is some light speculation about time travel being an eventual 'cycle' aspect of the Reapers.

As for 'dimensions', its more about Indoctrination exchanging our mind (at least via nanite indoc) with another false mind. See: Benezia being 'overwritten', and only part of her 'real' mind being intentionally locked away to be safe. The rest would then get converted into a virtual existence behind the scenes ('salvation'). So what Shepard is going through, progressively throughout the series, is a more virtual version of the 'real' events.

But alternate dimensions? Eh, maybe something, but can't remember anything about that. And the time travel stuff is shaky (I have fun with it though - see my sig) as hell, but it could play a part in any possible content relating to the time of the Leviathans and original cycle of the Intelligence and at some point start of the 'Crucible plans'.