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[Possessed Turian]

You'd be throwing away 2 games the reaper IFF places him in a indoctrinated state where Shepard looks into the Reapers mind. Shepard saw what the Reapers where planning. That was ME3. It doesn't throw away the story that has already been told Shepard can reference back to it to find Javik and more. When Shepard got spaced that would have to be a dream a big middle finger to all whole played ME2 and 3 saying all that was a dream. I'm not denying that it could all be a dream, but that would destroy the series

[SwobyJ]

durasteel wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
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Control - Let's just get along, and/or use the tech here with EDI+Geth alive. No? well, you're an idiot then. Stop babbling nonsense, this is the right way.
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Not quite, at least from my perspective.

I toook the blue ending because by that point I was completely out of "the moment." I wasn't making any decision as Shepard, I was "metagaming" because the stupid catalyst scene had blown away whatever immersion the Anderson scene had left me with. Simply put, the blue ending left the galaxy in the most recognizeable state so that another game could pick up where ME3 left off. 

The ME universe can still be cool without Shepard, but there's not much point to Shepard if the MEU is an unrecognizable pile of poo.

Nono I'm just talking about the most aggressive people who defend their decisions with vigor

Most ..well, people and gamers in general who played ME1-3, didn't say stuff like this.

[SwobyJ]

Possessed Turian wrote...

You'd be throwing away 2 games the reaper IFF places him in a indoctrinated state where Shepard looks into the Reapers mind. Shepard saw what the Reapers where planning. That was ME3. It doesn't throw away the story that has already been told Shepard can reference back to it to find Javik and more. When Shepard got spaced that would have to be a dream a big middle finger to all whole played ME2 and 3 saying all that was a dream. I'm not denying that it could all be a dream, but that would destroy the series

Shepard's story is ovah!

[Possessed Turian]

SwobyJ wrote...

Shepard's story is ovah!

I have heard no fat lady

those are the kind of statments that keep shepard dead

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 31 décembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[durasteel]

How much poo would have been flung at 343 Industries if John had died at the end of Halo 4?

The old man at the end of ME3 promises the kid another story about "The Shepard," which makes you wonder if whoever put that scene together knew what the ending was gonna be.

[durasteel]

Possessed Turian wrote...
I have heard no fat lady
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He's passed on! This Shepard is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't vaporized him with space magic, he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the Normandy! He's kicked the bucket, He's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-SHEPARD!!

[Possessed Turian]

He's passed on! This Shepard is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't vaporized him with space magic, he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the Normandy! He's kicked the bucket, He's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-SHEPARD!!

you relize that this page is about indoctrination theory, right? the one thing that keeps shepard alive. I snort a laugh at the idea of shepard being dead.

This is where we can save Shepard, and return him to his romance. I stand proud, and say Shepard is alive. You cannot change my mind, and i will get Shepard back. I will fight for him. I do not give up. I will not lay down. Because that is the spirit it took to fight the Reapers. Let me be the only one who stands strong against his death, but if there are others, we need to stand fast, and make our voices heard.

[AlanC9]

Possessed Turian wrote...

You'd be throwing away 2 games the reaper IFF places him in a indoctrinated state where Shepard looks into the Reapers mind. Shepard saw what the Reapers where planning. That was ME3. It doesn't throw away the story that has already been told Shepard can reference back to it to find Javik and more. When Shepard got spaced that would have to be a dream a big middle finger to all whole played ME2 and 3 saying all that was a dream. I'm not denying that it could all be a dream, but that would destroy the series

Wow. I'm almost into this happening just to see the tidal waves of nerdrage it would unleash

[durasteel]

AlanC9 wrote...

Wow. I'm almost into this happening just to see the tidal waves of nerdrage it would unleash

Probably not more than blowing up all of the mass effect relays and destroying the Citadel and somehow calling that a "win."

I imagine that if retconning 2 and 3 into indoctrination head trips meant that people could get another game playing as Shepard and have another go at fighting the Reapers in a more coherent narrative, they'd forgive it. It seems like the thing that many people want most in ME4 is Shepard, so... 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Why just not make a reboot then? Don't bother with the the Indoctrination dream thing (because Indoctrination, as far as we know, doesn't work like that); just say it's a 100% rewrite of a story and world you enjoy with whatever inconsistencies, plot holes, contrivances, or things you just don't like removed.

[AlanC9]

durasteel wrote...

Probably not more than blowing up all of the mass effect relays and destroying the Citadel and somehow calling that a "win."

I must have missed something. I saw the Citadel wards separated, but I didn't see them destroyed. The relays, sure, but I thought busted relays would make for a fun universe anyway.

I imagine that if retconning 2 and 3 into indoctrination head trips meant that people could get another game playing as Shepard and have another go at fighting the Reapers in a more coherent narrative, they'd forgive it. It seems like the thing that many people want most in ME4 is Shepard, so... 

Ye gods. If this is what the fans want, Bio needs to fire the fans and hire new ones.

(No points for replying "I thought that's what they were trying to do with ME3." Too obvious.)

Modifié par AlanC9, 31 décembre 2013 - 11:56 .

[durasteel]

AlanC9 wrote...

I must have missed something. I saw the Citadel wards separated, but I didn't see them destroyed. The relays, sure, but I thought busted relays would make for a fun universe anyway.

In the original ending, when I saw the wards come off the presidium ring, I figured the whole thing was toast. Obviously amended in the EC.

[Daemul]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Hmm, what's the most recent poll on where people fall on the endings?

I've seen a few but I'm not sure which one is the most recent.

Well good luck with that, no polls anymore thanks Bioware!
 
I have seen all the arguments in this thread before. Started a little less than two years ago, mostly before the lock downs late in 2012 began. I'm surprised they haven't targeted this one yet. Below is what I used to keep in my signature regarding the endings. This is one of the reasons there getting rid of the poles, we were using them.


                                                                         What would you like to do about the endings? Martyr's polls
     The do's and don'ts of novel endings                Is "clarification" DLC enough? Cogneter’s polls

Do take a peek at Martyr's poll. I'd say the 68,763 to 6329 gamers is a fair enough sample to deduce what the majority feels.  (75,092 total votes.)

Oh and Destroy...We destroy them or they destroy us!

Refuse just brings me back to a Yoda quote: Do, or do not. There is no "try".

the options are:
1) Reaper
2) Reaper
3) Dead Reapers.

What I have always wanted to see from Bioware is data about which ending choice people picked on their first playthroughs when metagaming wasn't involved since they wouldn't have known about what happens in them. I'm willing to bet that the data would reveal some hilarious results.

[ElSuperGecko]

AlanC9 wrote...
Ye gods. If this is what the fans want, Bio needs to fire the fans and hire new ones.

Nah.  New year, new console generation, new protagonist(s), new Mass Effect.

We may never find out if Deckard is a replicant or not, but hey, that's kind of the point of an open ending in the first place.  Who needs answers?  Answers are dull and uninspiring.  I prefer questions.

Daemul wrote...
What I have always wanted to see from Bioware is data about which ending choice people picked on their first playthroughs when metagaming wasn't involved since they wouldn't have known about what happens in them. I'm willing to bet that the data would reveal some hilarious results.

Oh yes.  Especially considering the number of "I wasn't paying attention, thought I'd look around OMG why did I jump into that beam why has it all turned green" posts I remember seeing...

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 01 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .

[Possessed Turian]

I say keep the old protagonest and lets see the reaper war on the frost bite 3 engine. I'm gonna stop posting for a bit I feel I hogged the form today.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 01 janvier 2014 - 06:38 .

[Farangbaa]

I laugh at people who feel butthurt about the endings, then justify it all by having the entirety of Mass Effect 2 and 3 be an indoctrination dream.

These people feel better about being lied to for 2 full games, 2 FULL *censored* GAMES, than they feel about a crappy ending.

Holy *censored censored censored*

Modifié par Psychevore, 01 janvier 2014 - 07:59 .

[SwobyJ]

Psychevore wrote...

I laugh at people who feel butthurt about the endings, then justify it all by having the entirety of Mass Effect 2 and 3 be an indoctrination dream.

These people feel better about being lied to for 2 full games, 2 FULL *censored* GAMES, than they feel about a crappy ending.

Holy *censored censored censored*

It's not a dream.

A bit of a lie, maybe. A bit of a nightmare, maybe. A bit of a deception, maybe. But its not one thing in itself, and the journey was VERY real.

And it's not just the ending of flippin Dallas .

[AlanC9]

durasteel wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I must have missed something. I saw the Citadel wards separated, but I didn't see them destroyed. The relays, sure, but I thought busted relays would make for a fun universe anyway.

In the original ending, when I saw the wards come off the presidium ring, I figured the whole thing was toast. Obviously amended in the EC.

Why would the wards flying off mean destruction, though? Even if the angle had been right for one of the wards to be propelled in the opposite of the Citadel's orbital direction, they don't separate fast enough to deorbit.

[AlanC9]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Ye gods. If this is what the fans want, Bio needs to fire the fans and hire new ones.

Nah.  New year, new console generation, new protagonist(s), new Mass Effect..

I thought the proposal was that fans were demanding the old protagonist back?

[rapscallioness]

I srsly do not want to see ME2 and ME3 nullified w/an "it was all a dream". No way. There was a time within the ending portion of ME3 where IT might have been an interesting twist on things, but that time has come and gone.

I hope for a clever and intriguing way forward w/the series. And yes, I am ready for a new protag. Three games is enough of the same protag for me.

[rapscallioness]

While I especially don't want to see the same squaddies again. I loved them, but I'm tired of them now. But that's just me.

I'm more looking fwd to meeting new squaddies to fall in love with, and a new protag to love for that matter.

[rapscallioness]

Lol! Ofc I spent time helping them and saving their lives. I did the best I could by them. Through all three games, but I'm not interested in yet another game w/the same characters.

I was not tired of them in ME1-ME3, but if there was another game w/them...yes, I'd be bored with it.

But like I said, that's just me.