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[Peranor]

As has been said. Bioware more or less debunked Indoctrination Theory when they said that ME3 was the conclusion to the story. That Shepards story was over.
If the Indoctrination Theory was true then Shepards story wouldn't be over.

[ElSuperGecko]

Yep, you're right, that HAS been said before. It was wrong then, it's wrong now too.

[ME859]

I'm personally hoping its because they're working on alternate ending dlc that subscribes to it but my real guess is that it's a decent portion of the fan base that they don't want to loose completely at least not yet. Personally I think they'll continue to throw bones to the it crowd but will never give them that full on outright confirmation dlc they've been begging for. Personally I support it if for nothing other then it's following has the best chance of producing alternate ending content. Though I admit the chance is small at this point.

Modifié par ME859, 04 janvier 2013 - 01:59 .

[Indy_S]

@ ElSuperGecko: Publishing deadlines in no way accounts for a nine month gap. And if the final DLC does reveal IT as the ultimate payoff, it does not excuse the game being released without an ending. And if it does not, it does not excuse the game for having such a detestable ending.

[Peranor]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Yep, you're right, that HAS been said before. It was wrong then, it's wrong now too.

Why? Because of ME4?
If you think that ME4 will resolve any cliffhangers in ME3's ending then prepare for disappointment.

And don't say it's because of DLC.
There may be one or more DLC's coming for ME3. But the conclusion to the story remains what it is. A DLC won't change that.

[Seboist]

Why they don't outright deny it? Damage control.

But it's obvious IT is pure horse dung when you factor in the quality of the writing of both sequels and see that it makes zero sense from a business/PR standpoint.

Modifié par Seboist, 04 janvier 2013 - 02:23 .

[ElSuperGecko]

anorling wrote...
Why? Because of ME4?
If you think that ME4 will resolve any cliffhangers in ME3's ending then prepare for disappointment.

And don't say it's because of DLC.
There may be one or more DLC's coming for ME3. But the conclusion to the story remains what it is. A DLC won't change that.

ME3's story isn't finished yet.  You're making a judgement without seeing the full picture.  There is at least one more single player DLC coming for ME3.  Probably more.  But they don't actually need to change the conclusion of the story.  The final decision and the endings can remain exactly as they are now.  All they need to do is - like the EC, like Leviathan did previously  - give us more to think about, and give us another further glimpse into the nature of the ending decisions.

As for ME4, it'll be whatever it is, and it'll take the story in whatever direction Bioware wants to take it.  We'll find out if you're right on that score in two or three years or so, I guess.

[ElSuperGecko]

Indy_S wrote...
@ ElSuperGecko: Publishing deadlines in no way accounts for a nine month gap. And if the final DLC does reveal IT as the ultimate payoff, it does not excuse the game being released without an ending. And if it does not, it does not excuse the game for having such a detestable ending.

Uh-huh.  So you're saying you believe that ME3, From Ashes, the EC, Leviathan, Omega, all the multiplayer DLC and any upcoming future DLC should all have been written, created and released at the same time back in March 2012?

[Mazebook]

because interpretations are cool.

[Codename_Code]

IT must be confirmed or denied at the end of the ME3 DLC cycle, speculations about indoctrination have been epic, but its enough, give me the big twist revelation.

[Daniel_N7]

Why does Bioware refuse to deny the Indoctrination Theory?

maaaze wrote...

because interpretations are cool.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the Interpretation Theory! Ba dum tss!

[Sousabird]

the idea is you head cannon your own future of the galaxy, and if that involves IT then great for you, heaven know why you would want that...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Because why ****** off more fans?

Believing IT makes a considerable faction of fans like what they likely otherwise wouldn't.

And sometimes things are meant to be open for interpretation, the author(s) telling you what's right/wrong ruins that.

[GreyLycanTrope]

You know how many people who like the ending support IT? They'd be looking at Retake 2.0 if they did.

[Applepie_Svk]

Because second backlash with size of big angry mob counting few thousands if not more ...of their fans would be maybe critical hit...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

anorling wrote...
Why? Because of ME4?
If you think that ME4 will resolve any cliffhangers in ME3's ending then prepare for disappointment.

And don't say it's because of DLC.
There may be one or more DLC's coming for ME3. But the conclusion to the story remains what it is. A DLC won't change that.

ME3's story isn't finished yet.  You're making a judgement without seeing the full picture.  There is at least one more single player DLC coming for ME3.  Probably more.  But they don't actually need to change the conclusion of the story.  The final decision and the endings can remain exactly as they are now.  All they need to do is - like the EC, like Leviathan did previously  - give us more to think about, and give us another further glimpse into the nature of the ending decisions.

As for ME4, it'll be whatever it is, and it'll take the story in whatever direction Bioware wants to take it.  We'll find out if you're right on that score in two or three years or so, I guess.

Ah, believe me I wish I could say that ... but all what I saw in the ME3 DLCs is most of the time coridor shooting and explosions and more shooting... from pattern which I have seen, it´s pretty clear that writting skillset went either off the window or all the writers since the Leviathan went to holidays...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:57 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Because second backlash with size of big angry mob counting few thousands if not more ...of their fans would be maybe critical hit...

by saying that IT is the big deal, they would also screw over the people who like control and synthesis .. either way, we all loose.

[Applepie_Svk]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Because second backlash with size of big angry mob counting few thousands if not more ...of their fans would be maybe critical hit...

by saying that IT is the big deal, they would also screw over the people who like control and synthesis .. either way, we all loose.

You have a two paths:

First is saying that literal form was their intention - then we have recieved worst writting ever, because writers didn´t realized what they have created - that their writing was so unclear, ambiguous in the other words crapy.

Second is that IT was their intention - and claryfication thru different game or upcoming DLC suck pretty aswell.

IT is just big deal of its very existence, it place their writting to doubts ...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 janvier 2013 - 04:05 .

[Dwailing]

Because the Indoctrination Theory has been said by both Chris Priestly and Michael Gamble to be just as valid of an interpretation of the endings as interpreting them literally. Whether they're actually going to do anything with IT is a whole other question, but for now, they have said repeatedly that it is NOT wrong. It may not be confirmed to be right, but it's not wrong.

[ElSuperGecko]

Applepie_Svk wrote...
Ah, believe me I wish I could say that ... but all what I saw in the ME3 DLCs is most of the time coridor shooting and explosions and more shooting... from pattern which I have seen, it´s pretty clear that writting skillset went either off the window or all the writers since the Leviathan went to holidays...

If we're talking about Omega and From Ashes, then I'll agree (Omega more so than From Ashes, which I felt give a lot of insight into the ME3 story which should really have been present from the start).  Leviathan was pretty damn intriguing and story driven though, and was chock-full of little nods to the fanbase and their theories.  Hell, they even had a plesiosaur skeleton for lolz for the Dinosaur Theory mob.

And I'm intrigued by the notion that the entire ME3 writing staff is currently working on a future DLC - something which hasn't happened before.  Something's coming, and I don;t think it's going to be a linear corridor shooter.

[Applepie_Svk]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...
Ah, believe me I wish I could say that ... but all what I saw in the ME3 DLCs is most of the time coridor shooting and explosions and more shooting... from pattern which I have seen, it´s pretty clear that writting skillset went either off the window or all the writers since the Leviathan went to holidays...

If we're talking about Omega and From Ashes, then I'll agree (Omega more so than From Ashes, which I felt give a lot of insight into the ME3 story which should really have been present from the start).  Leviathan was pretty damn intriguing and story driven though, and was chock-full of little nods to the fanbase and their theories.  Hell, they even had a plesiosaur skeleton for lolz for the Dinosaur Theory mob.

And I'm intrigued by the notion that the entire ME3 writing staff is currently working on a future DLC - something which hasn't happened before.  Something's coming, and I don;t think it's going to be a linear corridor shooter.

I am talking about Leviathan and Omega. I never took From Ashes as a real DLC even if it´s best what could ME3 DLCs showed as a story enchantment...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 janvier 2013 - 04:19 .

[Daniel_N7]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...
Ah, believe me I wish I could say that ... but all what I saw in the ME3 DLCs is most of the time coridor shooting and explosions and more shooting... from pattern which I have seen, it´s pretty clear that writting skillset went either off the window or all the writers since the Leviathan went to holidays...

If we're talking about Omega and From Ashes, then I'll agree (Omega more so than From Ashes, which I felt give a lot of insight into the ME3 story which should really have been present from the start).  Leviathan was pretty damn intriguing and story driven though, and was chock-full of little nods to the fanbase and their theories.  Hell, they even had a plesiosaur skeleton for lolz for the Dinosaur Theory mob.

And I'm intrigued by the notion that the entire ME3 writing staff is currently working on a future DLC - something which hasn't happened before.  Something's coming, and I don;t think it's going to be a linear corridor shooter.

«Something's coming...» I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air...

And that's why we're all still here, I suppose?...

[Soultaker08]

they said IT is a relevant interpretation but its not gonna be expanded by more content...

translation in progress.... progressing....progressing

:" GOSH believe what you want, but this is definetively NOT GONNA HAPPEN"

[ElSuperGecko]

Daniel_N7 wrote...
«Something's coming...» I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air...

And that's why we're all still here, I suppose?...

Pretty much.  Everyone's still here because regardless of how we feel about ME3, we still love the series, and are either looking for answers or waiting for more...

[Dr_Extrem]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...
«Something's coming...» I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air...

And that's why we're all still here, I suppose?...

Pretty much.  Everyone's still here because regardless of how we feel about ME3, we still love the series, and are either looking for answers or waiting for more...

thats true .. why else should i visit this part of the forum?

but . .what happens, if the cycle ends and we dont get anything .. except the usual war assets?

[ElSuperGecko]

Dr_Extrem wrote...
thats true .. why else should i visit this part of the forum?

but . .what happens, if the cycle ends and we dont get anything .. except the usual war assets?

Then we take up our scythes, pitchforks and burning torches and we march, brother!