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[Daniel_N7]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...
thats true .. why else should i visit this part of the forum?

but . .what happens, if the cycle ends and we dont get anything .. except the usual war assets?

Then we take up our scythes, pitchforks and burning torches and we march, brother! 

FOR FERELDEN!!!

...no, wait, wrong game...

[Legbiter]

No need for Bioware to go out of their way to poke the IT wretches with a stick. Just ignore them.

[_aLucidMind_]

Because the Indoctrination Theory is only partially true; it is obvious that Shepard is suffering from minor symptoms of indoctrination throughout the game. The dreams, TIM managing to control Shepard near the end, and so on; the thing is, the end is where IT is incorrect. Destroy isn't "breaking the Reapers' hold" or anything, EC proved these are the literal endings but the rest of the game is proof in and of itself that Shepard is suffering from the early onset symptoms of indoctrination. The Reapers haven't managed to get far enough into Shepard's head to control him/her before the ending, but it can be taken that they may have gotten close had Shepard not gone into the beam.

It was also one of BioWare's plans to make Shepard suffer from indoctrination as a major plot point, but scrapped it near the end of production. That's two reasons why BioWare does not say IT is false, a third being that IT theorists make up a large portion of the fanbase.

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 04 janvier 2013 - 05:07 .

[Samtheman63]

there is nothing literal about the endings, the leader of the reapers is not a hologram of a 10 year old boy that died a few months back, electricuting yourself does not turn you into an AI god, jumping into a beam does make the entire galaxy synthetic/organic hybrids, shepard is not stupid enough to walk towards something which is exploding, especially as hes the one making it explode.

also shepard would not commit suicide based on the advice of the very thing he has been fighting against the entire series, unless something was seriously wrong

[Steelcan]

Samtheman63 wrote...

there is nothing literal about the endings, the leader of the reapers is not a hologram of a 10 year old boy that died a few months back, electricuting yourself does not turn you into an AI god, jumping into a beam does make the entire galaxy synthetic/organic hybrids, shepard is not stupid enough to walk towards something which is exploding, especially as hes the one making it explode.

also shepard would not commit suicide based on the advice of the very thing he has been fighting against the entire series, unless something was seriously wrong

Shepards not being stupid he's self cauterizing his injuries.

[AlanC9]

Samtheman63 wrote...

there is nothing literal about the endings, the leader of the reapers is not a hologram of a 10 year old boy that died a few months back, electricuting yourself does not turn you into an AI god, jumping into a beam does make the entire galaxy synthetic/organic hybrids, shepard is not stupid enough to walk towards something which is exploding, especially as hes the one making it explode.

also shepard would not commit suicide based on the advice of the very thing he has been fighting against the entire series, unless something was seriously wrong

So the Control and Synthesis epilogues are lies to the player. Not Shepard, since he's dead. The player.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...

Shepards not being stupid he's self cauterizing his injuries.

You can cauterize internal bleeding?

[ZerebusPrime]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Shepards not being stupid he's self cauterizing his injuries.

You can cauterize internal bleeding?

Actually, yes.

[TMZuk]

My guess would be that the head-honchos at EA/Bioware at this moment is pondering upon wether Mass Effect is worth salvaging as a franchise, and if so, how. They are keeping as many doors as possible open.

Most likely they are also waiting on how Dragon Age 3 is received. If that to is a failure, then I am pretty certain Bioware will go the way of Westwood, Bullfrog and Maxis and cease to exsist as a brand.

[Bill Casey]

Because it was what they were going for...
And everyone's doing it...

Bill Casey wrote...

Jeff Yohelem - Far Cry 3

“It’s up to players to decide. If the work is good, if there’s not one interpretation where people can explore what it is, it becomes their narrative. It’s like Alice’s journey: is Alice’s journey a dream or not? That’s what I love about Alice in Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass, that he doesn’t have to say it was all a dream. My goal was to create something that people could analyze. Analysis is fun because there are many interpretations. If there’s just one interpretation then it’s not worth analyzing.”

Walt Williams - Spec Ops The Line

"For me, everything after the crash is Walker kind of reliving the hell of what he had just done, You can even interpret Konrad as being not necessarily a delusion inside his mind, but some kind of external projection of his guilt in this purgatory or hell or afterlife, or however you choose to view it.

Any time the game is doing a normal transition, it'll fade to black. Any time Walker is hallucinating, or lying to himself, in a kind of delusional fashion, the game will fade to white. The entire epilogue sequence where Walker goes home, it fades to white. Even if you are not reading that Walker died in the chopper crash, it is meant to be understood that Walker is hallucinating going home."

Casey Hudson - Mass Effect 3

"I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact."

It's almost like there was something that happened two years ago that made all of the game developers... Oh yeah, right...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 04 janvier 2013 - 05:55 .

[Maxster_]

davishepard wrote...

They don't need to deny this crap theory. Anyone that still believes it after EC and Leviathan is pitiful, to say the least.
IT was undestandable before the EC, in response to the not-so-good endings, being a mean to deny everything that happened. That is not the case anymore.

[Seboist]

Maxster_ wrote...

davishepard wrote...

They don't need to deny this crap theory. Anyone that still believes it after EC and Leviathan is pitiful, to say the least.
IT was undestandable before the EC, in response to the not-so-good endings, being a mean to deny everything that happened. That is not the case anymore.

IT is certainly an interesting case study in mass hysteria. All of this denial and delusion over a series where both sequels have some of the worst pulp schlock writing this side of Ed Wood and whose protagonist's only skills are pulling a trigger and hiding behind cover.

[Bill Casey]

Leviathan basically said IT is correct...

[DeathScepter]

Indy_S wrote...

Dr_Extrem is right. If IT is true, the story isn't finished. Bioware would have intentionally sold an unfinished product. That idea is more abhorrent than the original ending.

So the alternative is it's false. And Bioware hasn't ruled either way, strange but in-line with their "don't say anything about the ending" attitude.

And who the hell pronounces it 'po-tah-toe'?

Trust me, IT is true and all of ME3 is a bad dream of Shepards.

[Epique Phael767]

Does this prove IT?

[Seboist]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Does this prove IT?

As far as the IT is concerned, everything but the obvious(Ed Wood level bad writing) proves it.

[Soultaker08]

Bill Casey wrote...

Leviathan basically said IT is correct...

ofc it did, apparently everything says IT is correct , whatever

[Ithurael]

Bill Casey wrote...

Casey Hudson - Mass Effect 3

"I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact."

I agree and understand what he is saying. What I don't understand is why IT'ers believe that there will be an IT DLC or a reveal.

The story is over, the game is over, you interpret it how you want.

You prove the ending was a dream/indoc attempt - great
You prove the ending really happened - great
You prove the starkid is a reaper projection trying to dupe you into control/synth - great

None of these scenarios instantly == a post ending DLC. Why people think IT automatically warrents a post-breath DLC is beyond me. Right from the creators voice it says he wants us to discuss, interpret, and speculate. It never stated he wants to hold out and release the 'real ending' later.

[cyrexwingblade]

It's been said in a few ways already, but my version: Bioware/EA isn't going to ruin a theory that is smarter and more involved than any of their actual ending plans. Their silence on the issue is so conspicuous it's jarring. That kind of rigid tight-lip behavior is always a 'don't screw it up!' reaction.

[FAButzke]

I have to LOL every time I see a thread about IT.
"It's not dead yet" I think. Followed by: "Who am I kidding? Of course it's not dead. There are always people who cannot couple with the truth out there."

I have one question for ITers:
How many years would it take before you accept the hard truth that THERE ARE NO 'ENDING DLC' COMING?"
Five years? Ten?
Let's set a deadline so I can come back here after its expiration date and tell you: "See? Told you."

Now ask yourselves: Why would Bioware continue to release DLC to expand on a dream only to release one year later the TRUE AWESOME EPIC ENDING that only some of their fanbase are expecting and that would invalidate ALL what ALL players have played up until that point? Pardon me, but that's ilogical reasoning.

Jeez...

[DeathScepter]

Ithurael wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Casey Hudson - Mass Effect 3

"I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact."

I agree and understand what he is saying. What I don't understand is why IT'ers believe that there will be an IT DLC or a reveal.

The story is over, the game is over, you interpret it how you want.

You prove the ending was a dream/indoc attempt - great
You prove the ending really happened - great
You prove the starkid is a reaper projection trying to dupe you into control/synth - great

None of these scenarios instantly == a post ending DLC. Why people think IT automatically warrents a post-breath DLC is beyond me. Right from the creators voice it says he wants us to discuss, interpret, and speculate. It never stated he wants to hold out and release the 'real ending' later.

But it would be smart to have an canon ending in order to stop an Flame Wars. And Flame Wars are develops by idiots on both sides. Peace is good. Control is good. So to control the fans,  Canons are important. For Canons gives fans purpose, Meaning and duty. Without canons, we have wars and people lacking princple.



sometimes, I do understand why the Qun is quite attractive to many people. For it does give meaning and purpose.

[DeathScepter]

FAButzke wrote...

I have to LOL every time I see a thread about IT.
"It's not dead yet" I think. Followed by: "Who am I kidding? Of course it's not dead. There are always people who cannot couple with the truth out there."

I have one question for ITers:
How many years would it take before you accept the hard truth that THERE ARE NO 'ENDING DLC' COMING?"
Five years? Ten?
Let's set a deadline so I can come back here after its expiration date and tell you: "See? Told you."

Now ask yourselves: Why would Bioware continue to release DLC to expand on a dream only to release one year later the TRUE AWESOME EPIC ENDING that only some of their fanbase are expecting and that would invalidate ALL what ALL players have played up until that point? Pardon me, but that's ilogical reasoning.

Jeez...

It is very logical to believe in IT and True Ending DLC. For EA is milking us out for money. 

[FAButzke]

DeathScepter wrote...

FAButzke wrote...

I have to LOL every time I see a thread about IT.
"It's not dead yet" I think. Followed by: "Who am I kidding? Of course it's not dead. There are always people who cannot couple with the truth out there."

I have one question for ITers:
How many years would it take before you accept the hard truth that THERE ARE NO 'ENDING DLC' COMING?"
Five years? Ten?
Let's set a deadline so I can come back here after its expiration date and tell you: "See? Told you."

Now ask yourselves: Why would Bioware continue to release DLC to expand on a dream only to release one year later the TRUE AWESOME EPIC ENDING that only some of their fanbase are expecting and that would invalidate ALL what ALL players have played up until that point? Pardon me, but that's ilogical reasoning.

Jeez...

It is very logical to believe in IT and True Ending DLC. For EA is milking us out for money. 

Right...
Believers gonna believe.

[DeathScepter]

FAButzke wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

FAButzke wrote...

I have to LOL every time I see a thread about IT.
"It's not dead yet" I think. Followed by: "Who am I kidding? Of course it's not dead. There are always people who cannot couple with the truth out there."

I have one question for ITers:
How many years would it take before you accept the hard truth that THERE ARE NO 'ENDING DLC' COMING?"
Five years? Ten?
Let's set a deadline so I can come back here after its expiration date and tell you: "See? Told you."

Now ask yourselves: Why would Bioware continue to release DLC to expand on a dream only to release one year later the TRUE AWESOME EPIC ENDING that only some of their fanbase are expecting and that would invalidate ALL what ALL players have played up until that point? Pardon me, but that's ilogical reasoning.

Jeez...

It is very logical to believe in IT and True Ending DLC. For EA is milking us out for money. 

Right...
Believers gonna believe.

Well you need work harder to change the believers minds. For we need you to believe. And Reapers are indoctrinating you to think the way you are thinking.

[AlanC9]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Does this prove IT?

I wonder who first posted "Does this prove IT" ironically. He needs to be awarded a couple of internets.