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[BaladasDemnevanni]

TheMyron wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

TheMyron wrote...
They alienated me and quite a few others when they went from True RPG to Semi-RPG/3rd person shooter...

Mass Effect has NEVER been a true RPG.

It sure put Fable TLC (and especially Fable III) to shame, and those were the only RPG's I ever played...

Well, if you're playing Fable, that sure would explain why.

Still, Mass Effect 1's RPG mechanics were a pretty poor affair.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Face of Darkness wrote...

I'm amazed so many people refuse to believe IT, I thought the ending was great. It barely takes any thinking for me to see it and seems pretty obvious

In b4 flaming

Personally, my approach to Indoctrination Theory is straightforward:

if we can assume that Bioware is not putting out any more expansions of their ending and that IT theory is true, it means that Bioware thought fans would be content with an ME3 ending in which TIM is not dead, the Reapers are not yet defeated, and those last 15 minutes never happened.

The idea that Bioware thought this would work for fans is so utterly insane that I can't help but take a literal interpretation of the endings over it.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:36 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

"Indoctrination" is a crutch of an explanation in the same vein "bad writing" is.


Except the latter actually has some precedent, though.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:40 .

[Vicious]

The idea that Bioware thought this would work for fans is so utterly insane that I can't help but take a literal interpretation of the endings over it.

Remember the 'artistic integrity' thing? Generally when writers claim artistic integrity its because they know they wrote an ending that would ****** people off. Nothing wrong with that, really, TV shows have crazy finales all the time, but since this one made zero sense and just felt like a rushed job, it made people even madder then they would have been.

IMO it was like they tried to be risky or sopranos-esque with their ending but underestimated how psycho some of their fans were, as well as vastly overestimating their writing skill.

The funniest thing is, a simple 'destroy the reapers' kudos! now here's some ending slides on stuff you did! would have made people more happy. And been less of a swiss cheese of plot holes.

Modifié par Vicious, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:43 .

[Linkenski]

Because you don't make an ending ambiguous for the sake of leaving it up for people's interpretation only to shoot down theories they make afterwards.

[ElSuperGecko]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
"Indoctrination" is a crutch of an explanation in the same vein "bad writing" is.

Except the latter actually has some precedent, though.

Hilarious as always, HYR 2.0.  You continue to surprise - I didn't believe it was possible to fit so many fallacies into so few words!

[AlanC9]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

if we can assume that Bioware is not putting out any more expansions of their ending and that IT theory is true, it means that Bioware thought fans would be content with an ME3 ending in which TIM is not dead, the Reapers are not yet defeated, and those last 15 minutes never happened.

Some variants of IT don't make those assumptions. Either ME4 will prove IT or something, or the Destroy ending is real even though the other endings are.... indoctrinated fantasies? Something like that, anyway.

[Vicious]

Either ME4 will prove IT or something, or the Destroy ending is real even though the other endings are.... indoctrinated fantasies? Something like that, anyway.

All of the choices you made in mass effect were either handwaved or irrelevant (see: rachni queen, Rana Thanoptis, too many other things to list) what makes you think the endings would be any different?

control shepard sent the reapers away
synthesis the reapers go away, green eyes fade over time.
destroy shepard with high ec; reapers blown to bits. shepard dies of old age or pulls a momshep and is not seen and rarely heard but is out there... somewhere...

in all endings the galaxy rebuilds, eventually.

all of those provide a reaperless me4 that doesn't need to reference anything from me1-3 any more than it absolutely needs to.


bam. done.

Modifié par Vicious, 04 décembre 2013 - 12:32 .

[AlanC9]

Don't put Rana on that list. Letting her live is simply a mistake

[Vicious]

AlanC9 wrote...

Don't put Rana on that list. Letting her live is simply a mistake

Well sir, given that it doesn't affect your readiness, i'd call it a completely irrelevant choice altogether!

[AlanC9]

Tell that to the guys she killed.

[TheMyron]

ANN Alert: New Article on "Indoctrination"


From: Alliance News Network Information Partners


Thessia - Asari scientist Rana Thanoptis has died in custody, allegedly committing suicide after she was arrested for the murder of multiple asari military officials.

Prior to her death, investigators said Thanoptis spoke of voices in her head, which they believed to be indicative of her indoctrination. The voices foretold the ascension of the asari--and told Thanoptis that anyone fighting the Reapers "needed to die."

Thanoptis worked for a top-secret project for former Spectre Saren Arterius several years ago, where she likely became indoctrinated. She received a pardon from the asari government in exchange for providing research assistance on Reaper technology.

Thanoptis was believed responsible for planting a makeshift device that detonated at a research center, killing five visiting asari military officers along with four civilians. The attack seriously wounded a dozen more and caused significant damage to the facility.

Investigators say they are not seeking any more suspects in the case.

[ElSuperGecko]

Between Rana, Kal'Reegar, Shiala, Chorban, Gianna Parsini and poor Emily Wong, there's an entire raft of established characters who could have been involved in ME3 side quests, missions or story progression. So many names, so little time.

But yes, Rana's indoctrination is an example of a decision which carries over from the previous two games without having a massive impact on the actual story. Which is odd, because the presence of an indoctrinated Reaper agent and saboteur on Thessia should have a greater overall impact than, say, deciding whether or not to punch a reporter...

[TheMyron]

StreetMagic wrote...

I suspect they put the Rana story in email form because they had to scrap a lot about Thessia in general early on. It might've been part of a bigger quest, like some of the other Thessia stuff in the older scripts.

On a sidenote, same with Kal Reegar dying on Palaven. They planned on having Palaven in game too at one point.

On an even bigger sidenote, Jack mentions missions on both Palaven and Thessia. We could've seen more of her. :

Really? When?

[TheMyron]

In ME3, wherever you launched a probe and "rescued" someone like the Batarian Governor or the Shadow Broker Wet Squad, that right there would have been a juicy opportunity for a little search-and-rescue side mission.

Modifié par TheMyron, 04 décembre 2013 - 11:27 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Morocco Mole wrote...
They probably just don't really care enough about it.

Well, you say that, but they apparently cared enough for Chris Priestly to post this poll on the Hold The Line forums...

Plenty of speculation for everyone.

[ElSuperGecko]

Morocco Mole wrote...
That's around the time IT started becoming a thing and before it wore out its welcome as a really bad fan theory that crazy people were latching onto. They stopped caring and humoring people after the EC.

So you're saying Bioware added no material for speculation in the Leviathan, Omega and Citadel DLCs then?  since Bioware "stopped caring" after they released the Extended Cut?  That seems like an opinion born of ignorance to me.

[Seboist]

Why should they deny it? These deranged IT nutjobs will continue to buy their products with the feeble hope that they'll get their mythical "reveal" or "clues" (that only exist in their heads).

That's presuming Bioware even cares about what's left of the pathetic IT remnants of course.

[ElSuperGecko]

Morocco Mole wrote...
I don't really remember any material to speculate about the IT in those DLCs. If anything, they seemed to be putting more nails in the coffin along with the ones the EC hammered in.

Really?  You saw nothing new to speculate about in the DLCs?

Not even Leviathan?

Just goes to show I guess; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...

[AlexMBrennan]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
They probably just don't really care enough about it.

Well, you say that, but they apparently cared enough for Chris Priestly to post this poll on the Hold The Line forums...

Plenty of speculation for everyone.

And I could call myself Casey Hudson on my forum and tell everyone that IT is true.

Why don't they deny it? Because some marketing genius decided to claim what the ambiguity was intentional.