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[AlanC9]

Seboist wrote...

Why should they deny it? These deranged IT nutjobs will continue to buy their products with the feeble hope that they'll get their mythical "reveal" or "clues" (that only exist in their heads).

That's presuming Bioware even cares about what's left of the pathetic IT remnants of course.

Pretty much this. There's no sense in Bio going out of their way to discredit IT. What would Bio gain?

[Br3admax]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
I don't really remember any material to speculate about the IT in those DLCs. If anything, they seemed to be putting more nails in the coffin along with the ones the EC hammered in.

Really?  You saw nothing new to speculate about in the DLCs?

Not even Leviathan?

Just goes to show I guess; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...

Or you could be that one horse who does without actually looking at it. Enjoy the antifreeze that you think is water. 

[ElSuperGecko]

Morocco Mole wrote...
No? I think the only thing Leviathan would have going for it is that, for a very brief moment, you are enthralled by one. But it leads nowhere and doesn't hint to anything at all. Let alone to Shepard actually being secretly indoctrinated. Since, I think that would be brought up at least once by one of the Leviathan.

OK, I'll spell it out.  The entire conversation with the Leviathan happens within the confines of Shepard's own mind.

Shepard never leaves his/her modified Atlas, but has a full conversation with the Leviathan (who take on forms familiar to him/her in the guise various people we've encountered over the course of the DLC).

That alone is enough to provide a precedence for and hint that the entire Catalyst conversation (and subsequent choices) ALSO plays out entirely within the confines of Shepard's own mind.  The Leviathan claim to have created the AI, they use this method of communication, it follows that the AI ALSO uses this method of communication.

Both scenes begin with Shepard on his/her knees.  The Catalyst (in it's assumed form) approaches and says "Wake up", the Leviathan (in it's assumed form) says "Breathe.".  That's two scenes which have been deliberately designed to parallel one another.  Which makes sense of course, as the Leviathan encounter is intended to give Shepard insight and perspective on the Catalyst.

Plenty of speculation for everyone (well, those who don't need to be spoon fed their stories, at least).

Hell, Leviathan is full of nods, hooks and references to a wide range of fan theories and speculation - not just IT.  Some are in your face, some are more subtle.  Some are outright hilarious.

[AlanC9]

Morocco Mole wrote...

It doesn't really prove anything though? There is no evidence at all that the entire catalyst choice takes place in Shepard's mind.  

I've got some sympathy for the theory that the Catalyst conversation did occur only in Shepard's mind, even though it's hard to reconcile the theory with the elevator scene since Shepard's unconscious at the time. But even if we adopt that theory, none of the rest of IT follows.

[ElSuperGecko]

Morocco Mole wrote...
It doesn't really prove anything though? There is no evidence at all that the entire catalyst choice takes place in Shepard's mind.

Who said anything about proof?  Or are you now shifting the goalposts?  Were were talking about Bioware continuing to provide material for speculation, and your (rather wild and baseless) claim that they stopped caring about such things after the Extended Cut was released.

In any case of course there's no proof, either way.  If there was, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.  That's the entire idea behind leaving a story open to interpretation.  All we have is the the material which BIoware gave us in ME3 - and continued to give us throughout their DLC - to draw from and reference.

Morocco Mole wrote...
Its a story whose main theme is conspiracy, it doesn't so much 'allude' to any fan theories it just uses every generic conspiracy angle in the book.

Tell that to the "Dinosaur Theory" parody posters, who got their beloved plesiosaur.  For no other reason apparently than Bioware felt like giving them a shout-out.

AlanC9 wrote...
I've got some sympathy for the theory that the Catalyst conversation did occur only in Shepard's mind, even though it's hard to reconcile the theory with the elevator scene since Shepard's unconscious at the time. 

Yeah, the "magical, mystical, extremely fortunate elevator" that Shepard just happens to fall on to when he/she passes out in front of the Citadel's control panel.  Complete with the dream sequence fade-to-white transition effect as it rises.  It's interesting that one, isn't it?

Br3ad wrote...
Or you could be that one horse who does without actually looking at it. Enjoy the antifreeze that you think is water. 

That's a lovely analogy.  Although I must say, I think it works much better as a metaphor for those people who don't really pay that much attention to what they're looking at or what they're doing, and/or take things simply as they see them.  Don't you?

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 04 décembre 2013 - 06:57 .

[KaiserShep]

ElSuperGecko wrote...
Tell that to the "Dinosaur Theory" parody posters, who got their beloved plesiosaur.  For no other reason apparently than Bioware felt like giving them a shout-out.

Man, I never saw any of this. Is that really why there's a plesiosaur hanging in Bryson's lab? If so, that's actually kind of cool. (As a dinosaur nut, I wish Shepard knew what it was lol).

[Deathsaurer]

Nice to see this thread is going the usual places. Can the pro IT and anti IT groups quit trying to bite each others heads off?

[ElSuperGecko]

KaiserShep wrote...
Man, I never saw any of this. Is that really why there's a plesiosaur hanging in Bryson's lab? If so, that's actually kind of cool. (As a dinosaur nut, I wish Shepard knew what it was lol).

No idea if that's really the reason why, but I remember some of the Dinosaur Theory posters jumping up and down and saying "Dinosar Theory = PROVED!" etc and thanking Bioware for noticing.  It was a parody thread, of course.

It does seem to be a bit out-there - I know the in-game explanation is "researching mysterious creature sightings", but it's an odd inclusion!

Deathsaurer wrote...
Nice to see this thread is going the usual places. Can the pro IT and anti IT groups quit trying to bite each others heads off?

Really?  Seems pretty civil to me.  If you take Seibost out of the equation, of course.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 04 décembre 2013 - 07:02 .

[KaiserShep]

Shoulda been a kakliosaur skeleton.

[ElSuperGecko]

We should have seen them in game anyway. With Krogan riding them and leading the charge.

[BloodxGusher]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Nice to see this thread is going the usual places. Can the pro IT and anti IT groups quit trying to bite each others heads off?

That epic battle of someone shooting down someone else's opinions. It does indeed suck.

[DeathScepter]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Nice to see this thread is going the usual places. Can the pro IT and anti IT groups quit trying to bite each others heads off?

you are no fun. I am still partial To the DeathScepter's Arrival Indoctrination Theory. In Which Shepard experience the entirety of ME3 while being unconscience and regardless of the Ending, Shepard awakes up and kicks ass and fully resisted future indoctrination.

[AlanC9]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Nice to see this thread is going the usual places. Can the pro IT and anti IT groups quit trying to bite each others heads off?

Can? Sure. But won't.

[AlanC9]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

We should have seen them in game anyway. With Krogan riding them and leading the charge.

Out of all the proposed resource sinks for ME3, this is one of the sinkiest.

[DeathScepter]

StreetMagic wrote...

The issue of indoctrination ultimately rests on Bioware. IT people aren't going to stop until Bioware addresses the very own plot issues they set up. Some of them might be loony, but I think it's unfair to attack them all on principle.

no it is quite fair to attack them on principle.

[BloodxGusher]

StreetMagic wrote...

The issue of indoctrination ultimately rests on Bioware. IT people aren't going to stop until Bioware addresses the very own plot issues they set up. Some of them might be loony, but I think it's unfair to attack them all on principle.

I can agree with that. It is completely plausable even with the EC that the IT is still in play. No matter how much debating that goes on in the forums, it is indeed up to BW to set it straight. Lots of the IT supporters are just very hopeful. I for one wish we hear some solid news on this new game soon. May shed some light in which direction this whole EC and IT thing will move in.

[BloodxGusher]

DeathScepter wrote...

Deathsaurer wrote...

Nice to see this thread is going the usual places. Can the pro IT and anti IT groups quit trying to bite each others heads off?

you are no fun. I am still partial To the DeathScepter's Arrival Indoctrination Theory. In Which Shepard experience the entirety of ME3 while being unconscience and regardless of the Ending, Shepard awakes up and kicks ass and fully resisted future indoctrination.

Keep hope alive my friend. The heavens may open up and reward us. Keep it alive!

[DeathScepter]

StreetMagic wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

The issue of indoctrination ultimately rests on Bioware. IT people aren't going to stop until Bioware addresses the very own plot issues they set up. Some of them might be loony, but I think it's unfair to attack them all on principle.

no it is quite fair to attack them on principle.

It would be if they completely made up the concept of Indoctrination. But they didn't. They add fuel to the fire, but they didn't start the fire. It's something that needs to be addressed again by it's creators, in one way or another.

it is completely made up. As I will use the Oily Shadow dreams for example, I had them and I am not indoctrinated yet.

[BloodxGusher]

DeathScepter wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

The issue of indoctrination ultimately rests on Bioware. IT people aren't going to stop until Bioware addresses the very own plot issues they set up. Some of them might be loony, but I think it's unfair to attack them all on principle.

no it is quite fair to attack them on principle.

It would be if they completely made up the concept of Indoctrination. But they didn't. They add fuel to the fire, but they didn't start the fire. It's something that needs to be addressed again by it's creators, in one way or another.

it is completely made up. As I will use the Oily Shadow dreams for example, I had them and I am not indoctrinated yet.

I don't know how much of the IT you know of but the from what I have read, those visions are apart of a months/years long process on indoctrination on Shep. The final push I believe are at the end of the game.

[Farangbaa]

Hurr durr.

Nevermind, I was spewing nonsense.

Modifié par Psychevore, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:16 .