Man i love these "utility abilities suck" treads. Makes me feel like Im better at MP than the OP. If you're having so much trouble killing something that you have to complain about the existence of utility powers you should probably spend more time practicing shooting straight.
Cryo Blast - It sucks
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:24
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Air Quotes wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
On a Human Infiltrator and Havoc Soldier and only a little better on a QFE
1. Even with Radius and fired from cloak get's dodged ALL THE TIME
2. Deals NO DAMAGE up front, in fact it deals no damage at all. I think getting hit by a -200 decree ice blast would hurt a bit. No DOT either
3. Doesn't stagger.
4. Does nothing to shields or barriers
5. The slow down evo is barely noticeble and you have to sacrifice a damage boost for it
6. Has LONG travel time.
7. Does't freeze Phantoms - A BIG ONE
8. That 25% armor debuff is nothing special. There are plenty of much better ones around.
Buff? Please?
I'm sorry man, I disagree completely. You just forgot something... You know... That little...
25% debuff? No, not the armor. The actual debuff.
Don't use it on mooks, they'll be dead in half a second anyway. It's a debuff power, use it on bosses.
Compared to Proxy mine? Or Recon Mine? Or Overload? It's meh at best.
Cryo Blast, just from taking the extra evolutions, gets 25% extra damage and 25% extra slow at a ridiculously low cooldown. It doesn't even matter half the time if Cryo Blast misses since you can have another one going by the time the enemy's roll is finished.
Proximity Mine has a longer cooldown and has the same debuff as Recon Mine, but you have to choose between the two. You can't take both.
Recon Mine takes a year and a half to set up. You have to choose the debuff over doing damage to armored targets. Even then, it's 25% extra and 30% slow.
Overload isn't even a debuff power. You can make a case for neural shock, but it's probably the single most useless one I can think of, since it actually makes getting headshots harder if you're specifically going for those.
I'd say Cryo Blast is better than all 3.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:25
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It' meant to be played up close. The FQE is great at the splosians. And it debuffs well. I do agree that it should have an impact force, and some DOT, but overall it's still very usable.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:25
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Man i love these "utility abilities suck" treads. Makes me feel like Im better at MP than the OP. If you're having so much trouble killing something that you have to complain about the existence of utility powers you should probably spend more time practicing shooting straight.
It sucks compared to other utility powers that are faster traveling or instant, have bigger radius, deal damage, have DOT. heal you and provide you with DR and so on.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:26
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Same.Uh Cold wrote...
HFI with radius.Air Quotes wrote...
Uh Cold wrote...
I love it.
On what?
She is my go to class for point whoring.
#31
Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:26
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Yeah, I'd agree with this. Just making it do like 200 damage or something would be a huge improvement. A bigger effect radius would be a valuable improvement too. Right now, it's really only useful as a debuff power unless you're playing the QFI.
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Caligno wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
On a Human Infiltrator and Havoc Soldier and only a little better on a QFE
1. Even with Radius and fired from cloak get's dodged ALL THE TIME
2. Deals NO DAMAGE up front, in fact it deals no damage at all. I think getting hit by a -200 decree ice blast would hurt a bit. No DOT either
3. Doesn't stagger.
4. Does nothing to shields or barriers
5. The slow down evo is barely noticeble and you have to sacrifice a damage boost for it
6. Has LONG travel time.
7. Does't freeze Phantoms - A BIG ONE
8. That 25% armor debuff is nothing special. There are plenty of much better ones around.
Buff? Please?
I'm sorry man, I disagree completely. You just forgot something... You know... That little...
25% debuff? No, not the armor. The actual debuff.
Don't use it on mooks, they'll be dead in half a second anyway. It's a debuff power, use it on bosses.
Compared to Proxy mine? Or Recon Mine? Or Overload? It's meh at best.
Cryo Blast, just from taking the extra evolutions, gets 25% extra damage and 25% extra slow at a ridiculously low cooldown. It doesn't even matter half the time if Cryo Blast misses since you can have another one going by the time the enemy's roll is finished.
Proximity Mine has a longer cooldown and has the same debuff as Recon Mine, but you have to choose between the two. You can't take both.
Recon Mine takes a year and a half to set up. You have to choose the debuff over doing damage to armored targets. Even then, it's 25% extra and 30% slow.
Overload isn't even a debuff power. You can make a case for neural shock, but it's probably the single most useless one I can think of, since it actually makes getting headshots harder if you're specifically going for those.
I'd say Cryo Blast is better than all 3.
They stagger. A Dragoon will take your Cryo Blast all day. A Phantom will laught at your Cryo Blast all day.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:30
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Air Quotes wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
On a Human Infiltrator and Havoc Soldier and only a little better on a QFE
1. Even with Radius and fired from cloak get's dodged ALL THE TIME
2. Deals NO DAMAGE up front, in fact it deals no damage at all. I think getting hit by a -200 decree ice blast would hurt a bit. No DOT either
3. Doesn't stagger.
4. Does nothing to shields or barriers
5. The slow down evo is barely noticeble and you have to sacrifice a damage boost for it
6. Has LONG travel time.
7. Does't freeze Phantoms - A BIG ONE
8. That 25% armor debuff is nothing special. There are plenty of much better ones around.
Buff? Please?
I'm sorry man, I disagree completely. You just forgot something... You know... That little...
25% debuff? No, not the armor. The actual debuff.
Don't use it on mooks, they'll be dead in half a second anyway. It's a debuff power, use it on bosses.
Compared to Proxy mine? Or Recon Mine? Or Overload? It's meh at best.
My thoughts:
Overload? Uh? It is no debuff power, not gonna compare them.
Recon mine pros over cryo blast:
- huge radius
- can be detonated for damage
- some other minor ones I guess
Cryo blast pros over recon mine:
- primes for cryo explosions on health and freezes health-based enemies (not so helpful, but still.)
- you don't have to wait 3 frakin' secs for the debuff to take place.
- you can only have one recon mine active at a time.
- greatly faster CD.
All in all, as a pure debuff power, I'll take cryo blast over recon mine everyday.
Proxy mine pros over cryo blast:
- bigger radius I think.
- does damage.
- staggers.
- detonates tech powers.
Cryo blast pros over proxy mine:
- faster travel speed.
- faster CD.
- 25% debuff against 20%.
- primes for cryo explosion on health and freezes health-based enemies (same as before).
- 15% movement speed penalty even if you spec for debuff.
All in all, which one is better is debatable. Probably proxy mine. But not by a big margin in my opinion, and proxy mine is a hell of a power, we all agree on that.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:31
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I think Cryo Blast is pretty good. It has a very fast cooldown time, can help with Cryo Explosions, can debuff enemies and weaken armor.... I like it.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:34
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Against tougher targets that resist the freeze, I use it for the debuff. On Mooks, Cryosplosions are nice.
My QFE is a point **** with the build. The Slow is great when fleeing to resposition. I just wish it could detonate tech explosions, regardless of element.
My QFE is a point **** with the build. The Slow is great when fleeing to resposition. I just wish it could detonate tech explosions, regardless of element.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:35
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ITT: talking about debuff powers and not mentioning Tac Scan
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:37
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Oh, by the way. Just so you guys know, if an enemy is frozen by Cryo Blast (frozen not chilled) it WILL explode in a Cryo Explosion even if you kill it with guns, and it does deals damage.
That's why Cryo Blast gains points when you detonate Cryo Explosions on enemies, too.
That's why Cryo Blast gains points when you detonate Cryo Explosions on enemies, too.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:37
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Deerber wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
On a Human Infiltrator and Havoc Soldier and only a little better on a QFE
1. Even with Radius and fired from cloak get's dodged ALL THE TIME
2. Deals NO DAMAGE up front, in fact it deals no damage at all. I think getting hit by a -200 decree ice blast would hurt a bit. No DOT either
3. Doesn't stagger.
4. Does nothing to shields or barriers
5. The slow down evo is barely noticeble and you have to sacrifice a damage boost for it
6. Has LONG travel time.
7. Does't freeze Phantoms - A BIG ONE
8. That 25% armor debuff is nothing special. There are plenty of much better ones around.
Buff? Please?
I'm sorry man, I disagree completely. You just forgot something... You know... That little...
25% debuff? No, not the armor. The actual debuff.
Don't use it on mooks, they'll be dead in half a second anyway. It's a debuff power, use it on bosses.
Compared to Proxy mine? Or Recon Mine? Or Overload? It's meh at best.
My thoughts:
Overload? Uh? It is no debuff power, not gonna compare them.
Recon mine pros over cryo blast:
- huge radius
- can be detonated for damage
- some other minor ones I guess
Cryo blast pros over recon mine:
- primes for cryo explosions on health and freezes health-based enemies (not so helpful, but still.)
- you don't have to wait 3 frakin' secs for the debuff to take place.
- you can only have one recon mine active at a time.
- greatly faster CD.
All in all, as a pure debuff power, I'll take cryo blast over recon mine everyday.
Proxy mine pros over cryo blast:
- bigger radius I think.
- does damage.
- staggers.
- detonates tech powers.
Cryo blast pros over proxy mine:
- faster travel speed.
- faster CD.
- 25% debuff against 20%.
- primes for cryo explosion on health and freezes health-based enemies (same as before).
- 15% movement speed penalty even if you spec for debuff.
All in all, which one is better is debatable. Probably proxy mine. But not by a big margin in my opinion, and proxy mine is a hell of a power, we all agree on that.
Cryo Blast CD doesn't matter if it doesn't do ANYTHING to Phantoms or Dragoons or any shielded target. I can kill with Proxy mine and it ignores walls and LOS. Plus I can pre-place it.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:37
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If it does 1 point of damage, QFE would be a much, much awesome character!
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:38
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1. Enemies like Phantoms will dodge anything and everything. The enemies Cryo Blast are best against are big Armored ones (Cryo Blast debuffs Armor and adds +25% damage), which have no dodge.1. Even with Radius and fired from cloak gets dodged ALL THE TIME
2. Deals NO DAMAGE up front, in fact it deals no damage at all. I think getting hit by a -200 degree ice blast would hurt a bit. No DOT either
3. Doesn't stagger.
4. Does nothing to shields or barriers
5. The slow down evo is barely noticeble and you have to sacrifice a damage boost for it
6. Has LONG travel time.
7. Does't freeze Phantoms - A BIG ONE
8. That 25% armor debuff is nothing special. There are plenty of much better ones around.
2. It's not the point. Overload does practically no damage either.
3. It staggers Shielded enemies like Marauders. In fact I like this stagger better than Energy Drain stagger.
4. See 3. It also slows them down. Also, you're supposed to strip Shields/Barriers first.
5. It is very noticeable even without the slow down evo. Try it on a Brute.
6. Get closer. Especially with HFI.
7. Phantoms are ridiculously broken. Not a problem with Cryo Blast - other good powers such as Warp and Incinerate don't work on Phantoms either.
8. It's 50% Armor debuff with all evolutions. 25% Armor debuff at rank 1.
Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 04 janvier 2013 - 05:41 .
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:39
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CB is good versus Reaper and Geth, you can run around with a Crusader/Claymore and still have a super low cooldown
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:42
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Air Quotes wrote...
Cryo Blast CD doesn't matter if it doesn't do ANYTHING to Phantoms or Dragoons or any shielded target. I can kill with Proxy mine and it ignores walls and LOS. Plus I can pre-place it.
How is 25% more damage nothing?
As for phantoms, it's still extremely useful. They put up the bubble? Easy picky, headshot and dead phantom. They dodge? Follow with another cryo blast immediately. Most of the time they'll eat it.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:42
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Air Quotes wrote...
Cryo Blast CD doesn't matter if it doesn't do ANYTHING to Phantoms or Dragoons or any shielded target. I can kill with Proxy mine and it ignores walls and LOS. Plus I can pre-place it.
Not true. It forces Phantoms to put up their hand-of-denial (i.e. easy one hit headshots) and slows down Dragoons to less than FTL speeds which you are then able to outrun (or just kill them since they are now debuffed).
Edit...Doh:bandit:
Modifié par sparkz69, 04 janvier 2013 - 05:43 .
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:45
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It's good against any faction except Cerberus, basically.UEG Donkey wrote...
CB is good versus Reaper and Geth, you can run around with a Crusader/Claymore and still have a super low cooldown
I prefer to not play Cerberus. They are cheaper than Geth and noisy as f*ck. "WE'VE GOT WOUNDED!" "I NEED SUPPORT!" "DAMNI IT!" Shut the f*ck up, thank you very much. I'm listening to music.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:49
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It should prime as well as Snap Freeze does in other words EVERYTHING.
Cryo splosions are good but if you actually want to pull one off without the paladin in a good team.
GOOD LUCK!
I do like it on a Turian havoc though. Worked nice as an aiming aid for my pistolero.
Cryo splosions are good but if you actually want to pull one off without the paladin in a good team.
GOOD LUCK!
I do like it on a Turian havoc though. Worked nice as an aiming aid for my pistolero.
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1. Enemies like Phantoms will dodge anything and everything. The enemies Cryo Blast are best against are big Armored ones (Cryo Blast debuffs Armor and adds +25% damage), which have no dodge.
1. Even with Radius and fired from cloak gets dodged ALL THE TIME
2. Deals NO DAMAGE up front, in fact it deals no damage at all. I think getting hit by a -200 degree ice blast would hurt a bit. No DOT either
3. Doesn't stagger.
4. Does nothing to shields or barriers
5. The slow down evo is barely noticeble and you have to sacrifice a damage boost for it
6. Has LONG travel time.
7. Does't freeze Phantoms - A BIG ONE
8. That 25% armor debuff is nothing special. There are plenty of much better ones around.
2. It's not the point. Overload does practically no damage either.
3. It staggers Shielded enemies like Marauders. In fact I like this stagger better than Energy Drain stagger.
4. See 3. It also slows them down. Also, you're supposed to strip Shields/Barriers first.
5. It is very noticeable even without the slow down evo. Try it on a Brute.
6. Get closer. Especially with HFI.
7. Phantoms are ridiculously broken. Not a problem with Cryo Blast - other good powers such as Warp and Incinerate don't work on Phantoms either.
8. It's 50% Armor debuff with all evolutions. 25% Armor debuff at rank 1.
1. Every enemy that can dodge - dodges it all the fkn time.
2. Overload strips shields and makes up to 3 targets immobile and unable to shoot. Even shielded and armored ones.
3. That stagger is inconsistent.
4. Supoose to. How Acolyte? I'm a HFI or a Havoc. I have no other powers to strip them. And if I strip them, they're dead anyway. I don't need Cryo Garbage. And that slow down is only 15% if you go for damage.
5. Brutes are walking sponges. Don't care about them. I want to really slow down targets that can shoot me. And those don't care much.
6. I'm a sniper.
7. True. But still. if I hit an unshielded Phantom with it should fkn FREEZE.
8. NO.
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sparkz69 wrote...
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Cryo Blast CD doesn't matter if it doesn't do ANYTHING to Phantoms or Dragoons or any shielded target. I can kill with Proxy mine and it ignores walls and LOS. Plus I can pre-place it.
Not true. It forces Phantoms to put up their hand-of-denial (i.e. easy one hit headshots) and slows down Dragoons to less than FTL speeds which you are then able to outrun (or just kill them since they are now debuffed).
Edit...Doh:bandit:
I solo often. And it sucks against Dragoons. Phantom bubble is not as consistent as with proxy mine.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:51
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Cryo blast is great, but I wish it could hit more than two targets at once.
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Cryo Blast CD doesn't matter if it doesn't do ANYTHING to Phantoms or Dragoons or any shielded target. I can kill with Proxy mine and it ignores walls and LOS. Plus I can pre-place it.
How is 25% more damage nothing?
As for phantoms, it's still extremely useful. They put up the bubble? Easy picky, headshot and dead phantom. They dodge? Follow with another cryo blast immediately. Most of the time they'll eat it.
And it will do nothing. No damage. Only minor slow. And 25% more damage againt 90% DR is nothing.
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Posté 04 janvier 2013 - 05:52
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Maybe you should spec out of it if it's not up to your standards?
