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[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

If it was in any other industry, they would be fired. But hey, they are dealing with a bunch of entlited whiners, right?

someone who works as a 3d artist at Atari pretty much said the same thing word by word

I wouldn't mind reading that statement.  Do you have a link handy?

[Mathias]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

To be fair, they did not do that.

In my opinion.

Excuse me but people just asked you to show proof towards your vocal minority statement. You obviously like tossing that term around like a weapon, so let's see how well you wield it. If you're going to state that what you're saying is a "fact", then either back up your statement when you get called out, or stop talking.

[David7204]

First of all, that is incompetent nonsense. Merizan has admitted they screwed up with some of the pre-release statements. Priestly has said that most of the complaints about the original ending were valid. I'm sure there's plenty of other statements by the developers lying around one place or another.

Secondly, what do you think their motivation in releasing the Extended Cut was?

[3DandBeyond]

KevShep wrote...


Death threats? No, that is not acceptable, your right about that.

See the problem here is that people think this is something new.  No it isn't right, but anyone who creates anything or sells anything or is alive will get some form of threat at some time or another.  I'm a short female who sells things I create.  I've been threatened in my life.  I've been threatened over products I sell because a person did not read a description before buying and thought that a CD Powerpoint Presentation I made and sold should work in her DVD player.  It wasn't enough to offer a refund and speak reasonably to her. 

The other thing with how such things are handled is they shouldn't be handled publicly.  Ban the person, ban the IP, consult law enforcement if possible or necessary. 

And some things that were not really threats were characterized as threats.  I read an interview Casey Hudson gave to IGN about the letter writing campaign where a guy said he would no longer buy BW products if ME3 wasn't fixed.  Technically, it's a threat, but it's more of a boycott.  It certainly was not a threat to do bodily harm.

However, again, I never made any death threats or threats of any kind at all, but they treat us all as if we are the same. 

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, that is incompetent nonsense. Merizan has admitted they screwed up with some of the pre-release statements. Priestly has said that most of the complaints about the original ending were valid. I'm sure there's plenty of other statements by the developers lying around one place or another.

Secondly, what do you think their motivation in releasing the Extended Cut was?

1)  Citation needed

2) To run out the clock on fan rage and return policies.

[Indy_S]

You know things are bad when the last half-hour of the game has people preferring "It was all a dream" instead.

[3DandBeyond]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, that is incompetent nonsense. Merizan has admitted they screwed up with some of the pre-release statements. Priestly has said that most of the complaints about the original ending were valid. I'm sure there's plenty of other statements by the developers lying around one place or another.

Secondly, what do you think their motivation in releasing the Extended Cut was?

Money, especially from planned DLC and MP microtransactions.  They were hemorrhaging money and reputation.  People that didn't even play videogames knew about the ME3 screw up.  They wanted to have their proponents be able to say "see they tried to fix it-the fans are just stupid" but in announcing the EC they still blamed it on fans not understanding what they'd written.  And things Priestley has said about the original endings and pre-release hype are more along the lines of "no one lied, they changed their minds."  He said as much in a thread I created.

The EC was not meant to fix anything at all.  It wasn't even meant to just provide clarity since portions of it didn't exist in the original game or mean something different in the EC from the original endings.

The GameStops near me were inundated with returns, and they quickly stopped taking in used copies for resale-they had piles and piles of the game.  Best Buy was the same.


They certainly didn't create it for closure and clarity.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:24 .

[Iakus]

Indy_S wrote...

You know things are bad when the last half-hour of the game has people preferring "It was all a dream" instead.

You know things are bad when the last half hour of the game can be replaced by a fan mod and be a dramatic improvement

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

They certainly didn't create it for closure and clarity.

Nope.  It was made to win an arguement:  "See we were right all along.  You just didn't get it"

[David7204]

Recent thread - http://social.biowar.../index/14849419

Merizan starts posting on the 4th page, and makes it pretty clear that the team knows fans are upset about the lies and they're trying to do a better job. (And yes, I don't deny that they're lies. I was damn upset at the multiplayer.)

[chemiclord]

FlamingBoy wrote...

all sample sizes are small usually numbering in the 10-100's
sometimes you get thousands

If there is a sample population contary to bsn, some one should post it. It would be interesting.

So far I have not seen such a sample

You mean, like the Escapist community poll that voted ME3 Game of the Year?  How did you miss that one?  Pro-Ending supporters were marching to that like John Philip Sousa.

There was a poll here (the home of ME3 haters) after the EC that had "satisfaction" around 50/50.  How did you miss THAT one?

There's been supporting evidence that runs contrary to the "everyone hates ME3" marching orders.

Nonetheless, with these polls, we aren't talking about thousands of people, we're more talking about hundreds of people and usually in heavily slanted sites (like the BSN which is heavily slanted to the negative).  It would be like taking a sample size from a single state, and trying to claim it's how the whole of the country feels on the issue.  There's simply no way of making that claim with the information given, one way or the other.

Modifié par chemiclord, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:56 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

3D, David: You are both correct.

To me, the opinions they expressed before late March had a different tone than those expressed after.
That's how I knew why Ghostie's dialog has such a different tone than the rest of the dialog: [employee] posted a [annoying name for a broadcast message] which was almost immediately deleted saying that the scene had not been handled by the comity and he did not know what Ghosite was saying until it was being recorded.

It appears that after this point, there was a concerted effort to not down-talk the product while they very hurriedly tried to design a correction.
At the same time, my own perception is: They didn't agree on WHY the end was bad and had been having arguments about it, however passive-aggressively, long before the release.

This is my perception because looking at surveys here and elsewhere, consistently 90%+ of people felt Ghostie's entire scene needed to be axed. Most people understood what Ghostie said, they were just astonished someone would add the scene which damages the best villain they had.
I think the only reason they didn't cut Ghostie is that they were already working on Levi.

[AlanC9]

chemiclord wrote...
You mean, like the Escapist community poll that voted ME3 Game of the Year?  How did you miss that one?  Pro-Ending supporters were marching to that like John Philip Sousa.

There was a poll here (the home of ME3 haters) after the EC that had "satisfaction" around 50/50.  How did you miss THAT one?

There's been supporting evidence that runs contrary to the "everyone hates ME3" marching orders.

Nonetheless, with these polls, we aren't talking about thousands of people, we're more talking about hundreds of people and usually in heavily slanted sites (like the BSN which is heavily slanted to the negative).  It would be like taking a sample size from a single state, and trying to claim it's how the whole of the country feels on the issue.  There's simply no way of making that claim with the information given, one way or the other.

As usual, you've raised the sanity level of the thread.

[KotorEffect3]

Well I see this forum is still same old, same old.

[Nephilim5]

Paulomedi wrote...

Mesa Star Jar Binks!

Mesa is the Catalyst!

You can: destroy the Sith but the Ewoks will die;

Control the Sith but You will die!;

Fuse with the Sith and everyone in the Galaxy will have Midichlorians!

Haha, talk about another series with a questionable ending....

Easy one: kill the Ewoks.  Hell, I'd take the gun and shoot Wicket first.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

2) To run out the clock on fan rage and return policies.

Pretty expensive way to heartlessly run down the clock, isn't it?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They have also made sufficient money on the microtransactions in the multiplayer. This allowed them to make free map packs, and I'll bet partially offset some of the costs of the DLCs.