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[Nitrocuban]

Grenades are grossly OP on bronze not only because they deal great amounts of damage to multiple targets but also for the high respawn rate of 4 per ammo box.
On the other hand grenades are close impossible to restock on Gold and Platinum cause ammo boxes give 1 if you are lucky while at the same time being less effective due to tougher enemies.

Higher difficulties are meant to be harder, that's why enemies hit harder and can take more, but why are grenades the only power in the game penalised twice?
(Even with Grenade Gear and Thermal clip Packs grenades are orders of magnitude less effective than other powers on higher difficulties. Full specced for Grenade count, forced to use nothing but Greande Gear and burning all 5 Themal Clip consumables it's only  4 additional grenades per round)

It is really beyond me, shouldn't it be the other way round: getting more grenades from ammo boxes on higher difficulties?

[Deerber]

Nitrocuban wrote...

(Even with Grenade Gear and Thermal clip Packs grenades are orders of magnitude less effective than other powers on higher difficulties.

Lol. You're welcome to try to outscore my Drell Adept with whatever character/power you want. 

[R0binME]

First you complain that there are too many grenades. Then you want more grenades in higher difficulty.
I don't get this one.

[Vrin]

I think he's saying that due to availability grenades are OP on Bronze, UP on Gold/Plat.

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

(Even with Grenade Gear and Thermal clip Packs grenades are orders of magnitude less effective than other powers on higher difficulties.

Lol. You're welcome to try to outscore my Drell Adept with whatever character/power you want. 

 

I will do it. With a Drell Adept. 

Lol. Yeah but you'll have to do it without using grenades! So acolyte/pull spam for you, reave/clusters for me. Deal? 

[inversevideo]

I think grenades are fine. I use an ammo pack if I really need more.

[Chiggy]

Bronze is supposed to be a walk in the park

[Computron2000]

Every grenadier should know by now that their effectiveness is map based (with hazard glacier/glacier being the worst) even with thermal clips and grenade cap 5. Its part and parcel of the power. I like it that way. If you cannot handle the highs and lows, then set the map to goddess, jade, etc

[SirDieAL0t]

 all the dlc maps are fine for gold, most of them offer 2 grenades. on the other hand, from original 6 maps, only ghost and white gives 2 grenades from each of its 4 ammo boxes. imo, its all fair as you have to play differently on different maps. like close quarter character can have some hard time on open maps (flamer classes on london & yeah i know, infiltrators and destroyer are awesome on every map).

so imo its ok that some maps provide less grenades so that you have to use them carefully.

[megawug]

Solution: Stop playing bronze, and let the new players enjoy the game.

[PaulGreg]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Grenades are grossly OP on bronze 

Stopped reading

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

(Even with Grenade Gear and Thermal clip Packs grenades are orders of magnitude less effective than other powers on higher difficulties.

Lol. You're welcome to try to outscore my Drell Adept with whatever character/power you want. 

 

I will do it. With a Drell Adept. 

Lol. Yeah but you'll have to do it without using grenades! So acolyte/pull spam for you, reave/clusters for me. Deal? 

 

http://forums.allkpo...meme-jpg.36828/  

All of your nades are belong to me!

Haha that made me laugh hard! 

Computron2000 wrote...

Every grenadier should know by now that their effectiveness is map based (with hazard glacier/glacier being the worst) even with thermal clips and grenade cap 5. Its part and parcel of the power. I like it that way. If you cannot handle the highs and lows, then set the map to goddess, jade, etc

What? Whenever I get glacier with a grenade-heavy character I know I'm gonna reach 200k if I'm with not-too-uber-but-still-very-good players. Sure, there are few grenades around, but that is counteracted by the fact that the enemy is so close together that each grenade is basically going to hit all the enemies at once.

It might not be as good as Goddess, but there are way worse grenade maps around. Condor... 

[Bendigoe]

Simply play a harder difficulty where grenades are better balanced.
Like you said, on higher difficulties there is a lack of grenades in ammo boxes (unless you're familiar with ammo boxes and which maps give you multiple).

Balancing grenades for use on Bronze without them being OP would require a patch, alternatively they could nerf grenades in general without the use of a patch, but this would result in crazy forums for months requesting grenades to then be buffed.

Oh, and believe it or not but there are players out there who still find Bronze difficult even with Grenades.

[Nitrocuban]

Vrin wrote...

I think he's saying that due to availability grenades are OP on Bronze, UP on Gold/Plat.

This.
I don't get why there is a difference in grenade drop rate that makes grenades so totally out of balance. This is not a "gimme moar nades" whine thread.

[78stonewobble]

Scale to difficulty.

EDIT: Was the point I think.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:40 .

[iOnlySignIn]

The real reason grenades are OP:

http://social.biowar.../index/15264902

[.458]

Grenade and ammo availability should be set to that from bronze all the way to plat. The challenge is indeed a tougher enemy and the more difficult time getting to the box...I don't know who decided fighting without ammo would be fun in a challenge, but they were wrong. Weapons having lower quantity magazine IS the penalty, not running out at the ammo box.

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

Nitrocuban wrote...
bronze

I found the problem here 

[Nitrocuban]

.458 wrote...

Grenade and ammo availability should be set to that from bronze all the way to plat. The challenge is indeed a tougher enemy and the more difficult time getting to the box...I don't know who decided fighting without ammo would be fun in a challenge, but they were wrong. Weapons having lower quantity magazine IS the penalty, not running out at the ammo box.

At least one man understanding what I'm talking about. Thank you

[LemurFromTheId]

Frankly I think grenade capacity gear is a little OP. Most grenade users can have 4 grenades by default, with gear you can have 9, more than double (and with Thermal Clip Packs, which most peopla have plenty of, you can fill those five times per match). Compare that to weapon amp gear which gives you a measly +15% base damage bonus.

Grenade Capacity should give 3 grenades at V, but I guess people would complain there would be no difference between every rank.

Modifié par Aedolon, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:29 .

[Deerber]

Aedolon wrote...

Frankly I think grenade capacity gear is a little OP. Most grenade users can have 4 grenades by default, with gear you can have 9, more than double (and with Thermal Clip Packs, which most peopla have plenty of, you can fill those five times per match). Compare that to weapon amp gear which gives you a measly +15% base damage bonus.

Grenade Capacity should give 3 grenades at V, but I guess people would complain there would be no difference between every rank.

You! Stop saying BS! 

Grenade Capacity is absolutely not overpowered! :innocent: