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[LobselVith8]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Totally agree. I really can't see any mage wanting to support the Qunari. Frankly, when I play Tallis, I really didn't like that she used Hawke.

Being treated like an animal, having your mouth sewn shut, and possibly getting your tongue cut off, are pretty horrific. I can't imagine any sane mage willingly converting to the Qun. I see what you mean about Tallis using Hawke, although it makes me wonder if the absence of MoTA for a specific playthrough means that Tallis failed to get the list.

I also think it would have been better to allow Merrill and Anders to actually engage Tallis about the Qun and their treatment of the elves and the mages, since it seemed like the writers copped out of allowing Merrill and Anders to really discuss the way that the Qunari treat their people - including the camps the Qunari force dissenters to work in.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:52 .

[bleetman]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Gah, do not want. That hypocritic maze of a character should stay outta mah gaemz.
I don't care for felicia day, but basically when they use "real people" for their characters, their focus is not to make a sturdy one but just one that gets some nerds attention for a quick buck.

I wasn't aware that Felicia Day was personally an undercover enforcer/spy/assassin working according to religious doctrine herself, too.

Modifié par bleetman, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:45 .

[Teddie Sage]

Whoever thinks Felicia is a bad actress, writer, etc, needs to watch the Guild. Specially the last episode of Season 6. I hope this isn't the last season... if so, I'll miss this crazy world she invented for us, the geeks.

[Svanhildr]

Bleh.

[Steppenwolf]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Whoever thinks Felicia is a bad actress, writer, etc, needs to watch the Guild. Specially the last episode of Season 6. I hope this isn't the last season... if so, I'll miss this crazy world she invented for us, the geeks.

Being a good actor in one thing doesn't mean you're good in everything. I think Felicia Day is pretty great on The Guild, but I also think she was lousy in MotA.

[Aeowyn]

No. Tallis was too much of a Mary Sue. I can't even think about that DLC without cringing, and if she is in DA3 I hope that she's is not someone we have to recruit. Give us the option to leave her behind, like I did with Wynne.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

In Exile wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
The Warden is also leading the group, and potentially leading the armies, in battle.

However I agree that some of what Sten says can be taken a certain way.

Not really. There's no indication that the Warden will be a military leader at all (Duncan wasn't). Sten's view is of the Warden as a thing that fights the blight.

The Warden's primary goal in DA:O is specifically to rally the dwarven, Dalish and various human forces to battle the horde. While granted this does not mean the Warden will be in command when the time for war comes, I suspect a qunari might see things differently.

It's been a while since I read his dialogue though, so if you're saying his objection to the female PC is that she is a Warden, not that she 'fights', then I'll just have to believe you for now. XD

[Knight of Dane]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Whoever thinks Felicia is a bad actress, writer, etc, needs to watch the Guild. Specially the last episode of Season 6. I hope this isn't the last season... if so, I'll miss this crazy world she invented for us, the geeks.

Meh, pretty medicore except she has awful expressions.

[In Exile]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
The Warden's primary goal in DA:O is specifically to rally the dwarven, Dalish and various human forces to battle the horde.

Yes, but Qunari don't think that way. It's not what you do, it's what your role is. The role of the Warden is to fight the Blight, in Sten's eyes. Whether that's gathering an army or not doesn't matter. These are all means. The end is the relevant idea.

While granted this does not mean the Warden will be in command when the time for war comes, I suspect a qunari might see things differently.

It's the opposite, it seems to me. They're very Kantian about it. 

It's been a while since I read his dialogue though, so if you're saying his objection to the female PC is that she is a Warden, not that she 'fights', then I'll just have to believe you for now. XD

My impression was that it went: Warden = Fighting, but Female = Warden, therefore, Female = Fighting, and Sten going, WTF!?

[ISpeakTheTruth]

In the eyes of the Qunari men are for physically fighting in war. Women are for strategy and planning.

The Codex explains is as the Qunari make up a body every part of the body is a certain job. The warriors/Arishok are all male they represent the heart of the body. Women are the planners and stratigic minds when it comes to war they represent the mind of the body. They see both parts as equaly important. True without the heart the brain would die but without the brain the heart wouldn't pump.

That being said the Qunari is the single most close minded group I've ever seen in any form of fiction. Sten will stand there and tell you that a woman has no place as a warrior. In DA2 a female warrior Hawke can literally beat the Arishok in sigle combat: the symbol of their military might is slain by a woman and.... they still say a woman can't be as good a warrior as a man could.

Mindless.

[katamuro]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I hope not.

Gosh, she's ugly.


Edit:  Felicia Day is not ugly. Tallis is. It did not transition well.

Same as Miranda, basically (though I wouldn't quite call Miranda ugly).

if for Tallis it was a slightly wierd face then for miranda it was her  ass. Why o why did they make her ass an inflatable?

[TheJediSaint]

In Exile wrote...

My impression was that it went: Warden = Fighting, but Female = Warden, therefore, Female = Fighting, and Sten going, WTF!?

So Sten's brain suffers divide by zero errors when encountering female wardens.   No wonder he's prone to cookie binges.

[AlexanderCousland]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

In the eyes of the Qunari men are for physically fighting in war. Women are for strategy and planning.

The Codex explains is as the Qunari make up a body every part of the body is a certain job. The warriors/Arishok are all male they represent the heart of the body. Women are the planners and stratigic minds when it comes to war they represent the mind of the body. They see both parts as equaly important. True without the heart the brain would die but without the brain the heart wouldn't pump.

That being said the Qunari is the single most close minded group I've ever seen in any form of fiction. Sten will stand there and tell you that a woman has no place as a warrior. In DA2 a female warrior Hawke can literally beat the Arishok in sigle combat: the symbol of their military might is slain by a woman and.... they still say a woman can't be as good a warrior as a man could.

Mindless.

I think in a fantasy setting, Male and Female warrior's are equally capable and should be. I think the Qun has a more realistic representation of an acutal frontline, in- battle army minus Female' s being the brains. not saying there arent any Female troops, just saying none of them are actually in the Heat of battles inside a War Zone in the frontlines. 
So what im saying is the Qun make' s sense in that regard, I dont think Sten is saying Female' s cant fight as much as he' s saying Female' s arent soilder' s.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

FreshIstay wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

In the eyes of the Qunari men are for physically fighting in war. Women are for strategy and planning.

The Codex explains is as the Qunari make up a body every part of the body is a certain job. The warriors/Arishok are all male they represent the heart of the body. Women are the planners and stratigic minds when it comes to war they represent the mind of the body. They see both parts as equaly important. True without the heart the brain would die but without the brain the heart wouldn't pump.

That being said the Qunari is the single most close minded group I've ever seen in any form of fiction. Sten will stand there and tell you that a woman has no place as a warrior. In DA2 a female warrior Hawke can literally beat the Arishok in sigle combat: the symbol of their military might is slain by a woman and.... they still say a woman can't be as good a warrior as a man could.

Mindless.

I think in a fantasy setting, Male and Female warrior's are equally capable and should be. I think the Qun has a more realistic representation of an acutal frontline, in- battle army minus Female' s being the brains. not saying there arent any Female troops, just saying none of them are actually in the Heat of battles inside a War Zone in the frontlines. 
So what im saying is the Qun make' s sense in that regard, I dont think Sten is saying Female' s cant fight as much as he' s saying Female' s arent soilder' s.

Since this is a fantasy setting the only thing that does matter is the world that the game takes place in and in that world both femal and male warriors are equal in capability. In that sense the Qun is utterly rediculous. My problem with the Qun goes farther than just blind gender bias its the fact that there is no situation that can be showed to them that will ever make them rethink their beliefs. Its the most dogmatic faith that I've ever seen in a game. Its like Sten and the turtle story if a person is put in the role of a craftsman even though he's better at being a farmer it doesn't matter he's a craftsman, sure he'd make far more crops than the normal person but he's a craftsman because that's where we put him end of discussion. Its there inability to accept new information that makes them both mindless and a threat to everyone else because they want to force that mindset onto everyone or they'll kill us.

Also this complete lack of self which is creppy to me everyone is known only by their place in the society and nothing else. That is the most horrific cult like mentality that I've ever seen.

[Herky]

I don't want her in the next game. Not Chobot either is that's ok...

I would support Jeff Gerstmann as a Dalish elf, though!

[Dutchess]

FreshIstay wrote...

So what im saying is the Qun make' s sense in that regard, I dont think Sten is saying Female' s cant fight as much as he' s saying Female' s arent soilder' s.

DAO:

Warden: I'm a woman and I'm fighting.
Sten: one of those things can't be true...

[AlexanderCousland]

renjility wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

So what im saying is the Qun make' s sense in that regard, I dont think Sten is saying Female' s cant fight as much as he' s saying Female' s arent soilder' s.

DAO:

Warden: I'm a woman and I'm fighting.
Sten: one of those things can't be true...

In context of the Warden being a Warrior, soilder, battling the blight.

[AlexanderCousland]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

In the eyes of the Qunari men are for physically fighting in war. Women are for strategy and planning.

The Codex explains is as the Qunari make up a body every part of the body is a certain job. The warriors/Arishok are all male they represent the heart of the body. Women are the planners and stratigic minds when it comes to war they represent the mind of the body. They see both parts as equaly important. True without the heart the brain would die but without the brain the heart wouldn't pump.

That being said the Qunari is the single most close minded group I've ever seen in any form of fiction. Sten will stand there and tell you that a woman has no place as a warrior. In DA2 a female warrior Hawke can literally beat the Arishok in sigle combat: the symbol of their military might is slain by a woman and.... they still say a woman can't be as good a warrior as a man could.

Mindless.

I think in a fantasy setting, Male and Female warrior's are equally capable and should be. I think the Qun has a more realistic representation of an acutal frontline, in- battle army minus Female' s being the brains. not saying there arent any Female troops, just saying none of them are actually in the Heat of battles inside a War Zone in the frontlines. 
So what im saying is the Qun make' s sense in that regard, I dont think Sten is saying Female' s cant fight as much as he' s saying Female' s arent soilder' s.

Since this is a fantasy setting the only thing that does matter is the world that the game takes place in and in that world both femal and male warriors are equal in capability. In that sense the Qun is utterly rediculous. My problem with the Qun goes farther than just blind gender bias its the fact that there is no situation that can be showed to them that will ever make them rethink their beliefs. Its the most dogmatic faith that I've ever seen in a game. Its like Sten and the turtle story if a person is put in the role of a craftsman even though he's better at being a farmer it doesn't matter he's a craftsman, sure he'd make far more crops than the normal person but he's a craftsman because that's where we put him end of discussion. Its there inability to accept new information that makes them both mindless and a threat to everyone else because they want to force that mindset onto everyone or they'll kill us.

Also this complete lack of self which is creppy to me everyone is known only by their place in the society and nothing else. That is the most horrific cult like mentality that I've ever seen.

The Qun is a a belief in certaintity & community, this limits individuality. Their roles are clearly defined and thus their collective efforts are more effective, everyone has a Job and they do it.  I can understand the roles are disturbing to some, they imply Women are thinkers and Men are brutes who follow orders, but hey it works for them.  but put in perspective, The Qun is no more a threat to civilization then the Andrastian Chantry. 

[AstraDrakkar]

Personally I couldn't stand Tallis. I would have liked to been able to really confront her about her beliefs however. I also wish I could have been able to kill her.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 09 janvier 2013 - 10:56 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

FreshIstay wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

In the eyes of the Qunari men are for physically fighting in war. Women are for strategy and planning.

The Codex explains is as the Qunari make up a body every part of the body is a certain job. The warriors/Arishok are all male they represent the heart of the body. Women are the planners and stratigic minds when it comes to war they represent the mind of the body. They see both parts as equaly important. True without the heart the brain would die but without the brain the heart wouldn't pump.

That being said the Qunari is the single most close minded group I've ever seen in any form of fiction. Sten will stand there and tell you that a woman has no place as a warrior. In DA2 a female warrior Hawke can literally beat the Arishok in sigle combat: the symbol of their military might is slain by a woman and.... they still say a woman can't be as good a warrior as a man could.

Mindless.

I think in a fantasy setting, Male and Female warrior's are equally capable and should be. I think the Qun has a more realistic representation of an acutal frontline, in- battle army minus Female' s being the brains. not saying there arent any Female troops, just saying none of them are actually in the Heat of battles inside a War Zone in the frontlines. 
So what im saying is the Qun make' s sense in that regard, I dont think Sten is saying Female' s cant fight as much as he' s saying Female' s arent soilder' s.

Since this is a fantasy setting the only thing that does matter is the world that the game takes place in and in that world both femal and male warriors are equal in capability. In that sense the Qun is utterly rediculous. My problem with the Qun goes farther than just blind gender bias its the fact that there is no situation that can be showed to them that will ever make them rethink their beliefs. Its the most dogmatic faith that I've ever seen in a game. Its like Sten and the turtle story if a person is put in the role of a craftsman even though he's better at being a farmer it doesn't matter he's a craftsman, sure he'd make far more crops than the normal person but he's a craftsman because that's where we put him end of discussion. Its there inability to accept new information that makes them both mindless and a threat to everyone else because they want to force that mindset onto everyone or they'll kill us.

Also this complete lack of self which is creppy to me everyone is known only by their place in the society and nothing else. That is the most horrific cult like mentality that I've ever seen.

The Qun is a a belief in certaintity & community, this limits individuality. Their roles are clearly defined and thus their collective efforts are more effective, everyone has a Job and they do it.  I can understand the roles are disturbing to some, they imply Women are thinkers and Men are brutes who follow orders, but hey it works for them.  but put in perspective, The Qun is no more a threat to civilization then the Andrastian Chantry. 

I beg to disagree although the Chantry is also dangerous with its multitude of Exalted Marches the Qun is more dangerous at least from my view because I think it is a cult that brainwashes people. It wasn't until DA2 that I came to this conclusion when we meet that Qunari mage in the end he wants to set himself on fire and die because his faith told him to. He actually believes that he has more freedom then any other mage because of the Qun... he says this only seconds before he lights himself on fire and dies. Anyone who could have a life where your mouth is sown shut, is chained up in a cell, and possibly have your tongue cut out can say that their faith is true and is freeing is brain washed.

Like those people that killed themselves when that comet came I can only imagine the conversation. "What are you doing?" "Killing myself." "Why?" "My faith tells me to... its made my life better." *Dies*

It works for them because every inch of that society is a cult that tries to tell you that there way is the only way to live your life and the only way to live your life is for your idividual identity to end and be consumed by the collective.

The Qun: Super Communism!

[Althix]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
The Qun: Super Communism!

no not really. Most base idea of communism is "each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".  When Qun base idea is "existence is a choice".

If Qun a collective society it doesn't mean it's communism, Qun have some of its ideas. But overall there is a difference between two.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 10 janvier 2013 - 12:56 .

[Nerosole]

I should never have to see Tallis again. Simply because I should've killed her for being a liar in MotA.

[SweQue]

Felicia day and Chobot is bioware selling out. Stop using famous people from the internet and making them act/look like themself in-game please.
I know many geeks without gf's get turned on by it, but we others doesnt.

[Nerosole]

Excuse the double-post, but i just recalled another fact about MotA. They didn't let me kill her for transparently trying to use me. Ok, fine. So i take the little branching cave path *away* from her. No hard feelings, but if i can't get revenge then i can't help someone who is obviously untrustworthy. What happens? I magically end up at the ruins helping her anyway. What was that about our choices mattering again?

No room for Mary-Sue.

[Milan92]

I fully support Tallis to return as companion. Felicia Day ftw!