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[Wullo]

khm.. doublepost 

Modifié par Wullo, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:23 .

[Firky]

@Wullo We're in agreement.

(Just the fact that the character is played by a real person exacerbates the issue, for me. But, it's a really rubbery concept.)

[Kidd]

Ausstig wrote...

Mark Hamil did not invent Luke Skywalker he just plays him. Ms Day created the character, therefore you can call it a self inster fan fic.

So even if you have both writing and acting skills, you should never play a character you've written yourself?  Even when you're on a very low webseries budget? That sounds like a pretty arbitrary rule.

Not to mention the complaint was that the character looked just like Felicia Day. Of course she will. Felicia plays her part in the webseries and the game is consistent with the webseries, meaning the character will look like her actor. It just so happens that her actor also happens to be her writer.

Ausstig wrote...

I just get tried of her gushing for a brainwashing cult. No that miss crazy elf I like my free will and ability to change my station in life.  Say what you will about the Chantry they don't give people one role for their entire life based on, what is it a test?, that they do to children. 

Hell I wanted the chasend bodygaurd to join my party he seemed more interesting. 

*blinks* Why are you bringing a "brainwashed cult" into this? If anything, you seem to be the one with a strongly emotional reaction here.

As for you not liking her opinions, that's quite another bag of beans. If you only want characters whom you agree with, fair enough. I dunno, I quite like Sebastian for instance even though I find him very annoying for instance. He's well-written and I can understand his perspective and thus he's enjoyable even though I want to tear his hairs out. Your mileage may vary.

[Plaintiff]

 We already had a kooky elf chick. Her name is Merrill.

[MaggieSh]

@KiddDaBeauty,

Amongst writers, it actually is a pretty much unspoken rule that you do not portray your creations. Someone on the outside of all of this might consider it silly, but it's a matter of pride amongst us. If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

Just explaining where all that is coming from, because you didn't seem to understand why it wouldn't be okay with some of the members here.

[Darth Death]

MR_PN wrote...

can we steer the car back to tallis please?

Hopefully the car performs a hit-&-run on her. 

[MaggieSh]

Darth Death wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

can we steer the car back to tallis please?

Hopefully the car performs a hit-&-run on her. 

Isn't it technically on Tallis? Just how much we do not want her back...

[Darth Death]

MaggieSh wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

can we steer the car back to tallis please?

Hopefully the car performs a hit-&-run on her. 

Isn't it technically on Tallis? Just how much we do not want her back...

I can't speak for everyone, but me personally I don't like her, & I want her dead... By a car.

[Tootles FTW]

MaggieSh wrote...

@KiddDaBeauty,

Amongst writers, it actually is a pretty much unspoken rule that you do not portray your creations. Someone on the outside of all of this might consider it silly, but it's a matter of pride amongst us. If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

Just explaining where all that is coming from, because you didn't seem to understand why it wouldn't be okay with some of the members here.

Matt Damon and Ben Affleck wrote Good Will Hunting, acted in it, and won Oscars for the screenplay.  What? 

"A matter of pride"? Sounds more like a snobbish generalization leaning towards your personal preferences.

[MaggieSh]

Tootles FTW wrote...

MaggieSh wrote...

@KiddDaBeauty,

Amongst writers, it actually is a pretty much unspoken rule that you do not portray your creations. Someone on the outside of all of this might consider it silly, but it's a matter of pride amongst us. If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

Just explaining where all that is coming from, because you didn't seem to understand why it wouldn't be okay with some of the members here.

Matt Damon and Ben Affleck wrote Good Will Hunting, acted in it, and won Oscars for the screenplay.  What? 

"A matter of pride"? Sounds more like a snobbish generalization leaning towards your personal preferences.

I  never said it doesn't happen. And it isn't just me who feels this way, so thank you, but take your insults elsewhere, kthx? There was no need to get nasty when I was just trying to explain the mindset to someone.

[Tootles FTW]

MaggieSh wrote...

I  never said it doesn't happen. And it isn't just me who feels this way, so thank you, but take your insults elsewhere, kthx? There was no need to get nasty when I was just trying to explain the mindset to someone.

I wasn't insulting you, I was stating how you were coming across to me with your assertion that this or that is "acceptable" within the writing/acting community.  Those were your words:

MaggieSh wrote...

If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

I get if you don't like the actor or character.  And I can even understand the mindset of thinking someone as arrogant for writing AND acting a role.  But it is hardly frowned upon by the industry and I find your statement to be demonstrative of your personal opinions rather than the actual writing community.  Which is what I said to begin with, basically, in far less words.

[AlexanderCousland]

Felclicia Day has a serious ego, creating a fanfic and having your own personal character implemented into a series thats already well developed, i imagine, only stroked that ego some more and gosh she was awful.

[Xiomara]

I dislike Tallis, but I dislike the whines of "Absolutely not because I don't want to bone her" and bashing of an actual person more. I say bring her on to spite the whiners.

[MaggieSh]

Tootles FTW wrote...

MaggieSh wrote...

I never said it doesn't happen. And it isn't just me who feels this way, so thank you, but take your insults elsewhere, kthx? There was no need to get nasty when I was just trying to explain the mindset to someone.

I wasn't insulting you, I was stating how you were coming across to me with your assertion that this or that is "acceptable" within the writing/acting community. Those were your words:

MaggieSh wrote...

If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

I get if you don't like the actor or character. And I can even understand the mindset of thinking someone as arrogant for writing AND acting a role. But it is hardly frowned upon by the industry and I find your statement to be demonstrative of your personal opinions rather than the actual writing community. Which is what I said to begin with, basically, in far less words.

Okay, for starters, I never said the industry looked down on it. I said that in general, writer's look down on it. Which is true. The average writer will frown, and then go write something snarky that they'll never share, if confronted with another writer who wrote and acted their role. Obviously I don't speak for everyone, but I do see several different writing communities from day to day, and others on the not so daily basis, and I've seen this opinion voiced constantly and consistently.

It's up to you whether or not to believe that, and I don't see the point in us reiterating our same statements any further.

[rapscallioness]

I do not want an Elven Qunari, or Tal-Vashoth companion.

I want a Qunari, or Tal-Vashoth companion. Preferably Maraas from DA2 w/ the exact same VA.

What a troll that would be. BW says--yeah, you've got a Qunari companion! Yay!...And it turns out to be an Elven Qunari convert. Ugh.

And I'd really prefer a female Elven companion to be more...edgy. But without being bitter (Vellana). I want her to be tough. Kick azz, w/ a sharp sense of of humor. Tallis was too cutesy for me.

And nothing against Ms. Day. I barely know who she is, but I didn't care for the voice acting.

I would be very disappointed if Tallis ends up being our Qunari companion. I wouldn't mind seeing her as an cameo, or something.

[Sharn01]

MaggieSh wrote...

@KiddDaBeauty,

Amongst writers, it actually is a pretty much unspoken rule that you do not portray your creations. Someone on the outside of all of this might consider it silly, but it's a matter of pride amongst us. If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

Just explaining where all that is coming from, because you didn't seem to understand why it wouldn't be okay with some of the members here.

I have never heard of this, I thought the rule for writers was to not use characters in the story that are based on themselves.  When writers do this they end up with characters that are almost universally hated like Wesley Crusher, even Will Wheaton hated Wesley.

[MaggieSh]

Sharn01 wrote...

MaggieSh wrote...

@KiddDaBeauty,

Amongst writers, it actually is a pretty much unspoken rule that you do not portray your creations. Someone on the outside of all of this might consider it silly, but it's a matter of pride amongst us. If you've written the whole thing with the intent of someone else playing it, and then are pushed into it because your actor wimped out and you didn't have enough time/money to find a new one, only then would it be considered acceptable. The moment you start acting and writing the character, at the same time is when it becomes unacceptable and fuel for the fire against said writer.

Just explaining where all that is coming from, because you didn't seem to understand why it wouldn't be okay with some of the members here.

I have never heard of this, I thought the rule for writers was to not use characters in the story that are based on themselves.  When writers do this they end up with characters that are almost universally hated like Wesley Crusher, even Will Wheaton hated Wesley.

Well, ultimately the two are linked, and obviously there is no 'one rule for writers.' But the assumption, in general, is that someone who writes a character they intend to portray, is that they are writing how they see themselves/how they want to be, whether or not that is true is completely up in the air, obviously.

[LobselVith8]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I know that some people hate Tallis because she's Qunari, and/or anti-mage, given her comment, "We Qunari know how to treat our animals" (as she held a Qunari mage collar). Those kind of views are bound to cause some players to hate Tallis (and Cullen, given his comments on mages and the Tranquil Solution).

I don't hate them but really don't care for them. I really don't need to see her in DA3. I'm not sure what she would add to the story????

I'm not a fan of what the Qunari are trying to do, either, particularly since I play as mage characters in Dragon Age. Considering the reception MoTA had, and the complaints about how the ending railroaded players into doing nothing about Tallis getting the list, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to bring her back.

[Cobra's_back]

LobselVith8 wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I know that some people hate Tallis because she's Qunari, and/or anti-mage, given her comment, "We Qunari know how to treat our animals" (as she held a Qunari mage collar). Those kind of views are bound to cause some players to hate Tallis (and Cullen, given his comments on mages and the Tranquil Solution).

I don't hate them but really don't care for them. I really don't need to see her in DA3. I'm not sure what she would add to the story????

I'm not a fan of what the Qunari are trying to do, either, particularly since I play as mage characters in Dragon Age. Considering the reception MoTA had, and the complaints about how the ending railroaded players into doing nothing about Tallis getting the list, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to bring her back.

Totally agree. I really can't see any mage wanting to support the Qunari. Frankly, when I play with Tallis, I really didn't like that she used Hawk.

[Cobra's_back]

rapscallioness wrote...

I do not want an Elven Qunari, or Tal-Vashoth companion.

I want a Qunari, or Tal-Vashoth companion. Preferably Maraas from DA2 w/ the exact same VA.

What a troll that would be. BW says--yeah, you've got a Qunari companion! Yay!...And it turns out to be an Elven Qunari convert. Ugh.

And I'd really prefer a female Elven companion to be more...edgy. But without being bitter (Vellana). I want her to be tough. Kick azz, w/ a sharp sense of of humor. Tallis was too cutesy for me.

And nothing against Ms. Day. I barely know who she is, but I didn't care for the voice acting.

I would be very disappointed if Tallis ends up being our Qunari companion. I wouldn't mind seeing her as an cameo, or something.

Why would anyone trying to save the mages want a Qunari after how they treated their mages. I'm with you on that.

[Renmiri1]

I'd love to see Tallis again. I like her character and Felicia Day. Only thing that annoyed me a bit on MotA was she was a bit too Mary Sue to me. There was no reason Anders could not have saved my Hawke 

As for elves in DA2, most were better than DAO, like Maretari and Merril. Zevran was worse on DA2 though.

Would be fun to see a Tali trying to leave the Qun or to rebel against it 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:26 .

[Cobra's_back]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I'd love to see Tallis again. I like her character and Felicia Day. Only thing that annoyed me a bit on MotA was she was a bit too Mary Sue to me. There was no reason Anders could not have saved my Hawke 

As for elves in DA2, most were better than DAO, like Maretari and Merril. Zevran was worse on DA2 though.

Would be fun to see a Tali trying to leave the Qun or to rebel against it 

It would be nice if she would rebel against it. I can see her in the story if she rebelled.

[Mark of the Dragon]

I would liek to see her come back. I enjoyed her character and the humor when she was around.

[Sir George Parr]

rapscallioness wrote...

I do not want an Elven Qunari, or Tal-Vashoth companion.

I want a Qunari, or Tal-Vashoth companion. Preferably Maraas from DA2 w/ the exact same VA.

What a troll that would be. BW says--yeah, you've got a Qunari companion! Yay!...And it turns out to be an Elven Qunari convert. Ugh.

And I'd really prefer a female Elven companion to be more...edgy. But without being bitter (Vellana). I want her to be tough. Kick azz, w/ a sharp sense of of humor. Tallis was too cutesy for me.

And nothing against Ms. Day. I barely know who she is, but I didn't care for the voice acting.

I would be very disappointed if Tallis ends up being our Qunari companion. I wouldn't mind seeing her as an cameo, or something.

I do agree on her being too cutesy. The voice was a problem as she just doesn't fit in with the rest of Voice actors in DA2, who sound British, Irish, welsh and french ,she is completely at odds wth them and sounds like she belongs in another game. As i said in an earlier post there is no surprise in store for me if she comes back as a companion as i just won't trust her and will ostracise her if i am rail roaded into having her along.If she shows her face in a cameo i won't complain about it at all. I would much rather see the longed for female Qunari as a companion instead of that manipulating elf who i could do nothing about in MoTA.

Modifié par XM-417, 09 janvier 2013 - 12:57 .