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[iOnlySignIn]

BioWare should look to the following examples when they design the body model for the Female Warrior/Rogue PC.

Natalie Coughlin


Yelena Isinbayeva


Steffi Graf


Britta Steffen


Serena Williams

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 05 janvier 2013 - 07:56 .

[Xilizhra]

Weren't the women of Sparta all homemakers?

[iOnlySignIn]

Xilizhra wrote...

Weren't the women of Sparta all homemakers?

Nope. They're the most liberated women in the Ancient/classical world. 

[iOnlySignIn]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I disagree, I think they should look to, like, actual "warriors." Women in the military or something. Not a track runner.

Warriors/Rogues in Thedas fight mainly with physical power, like 21st century athletes and unlike 21st century military.

[upsettingshorts]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Weren't the women of Sparta all homemakers?

Nope. They're the most liberated women in the Ancient/classical world. 

Well it certainly helped that the Spartans enslaved hundreds of thousands of people.

[Ravensword]

Xilizhra wrote...

Weren't the women of Sparta all homemakers?

Not so. Spartan women had much more freedoms than their Athenian counterparts.

[daft inquisitor]

And why should they look at these women, in particular? Of the two images I see (two are blocked by a work internet filter, I'm guessing), they appear to be swimmers.

...what do swimmers have anything to do with rogues and warriors? I get where your intention is, I just think it's incredibly misplaced (unless there is something more in the two missing pictures).

A "swimmer's build" isn't the only athletic build out there, you know. Muscles will form in different ways depending on what actions you're performing to develop them.

Modifié par ShadowDragoonFTW, 05 janvier 2013 - 07:34 .

[Artemis_Entrari]

Are those also the suggestions for different kinds of armor they should wear?

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EntropicAngel wrote...

You're serious, aren't you.

You're comparing an athlete, who devotes all of their energy to a single field, to someone in the military? With military training?

I beg to differ.

Which Dragon Age protagonist was "in the military", "with military training"?

[Chashan]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Weren't the women of Sparta all homemakers?

Nope. They're the most liberated women in the Ancient/classical world. 

Well it certainly helped that the Spartans enslaved hundreds of thousands of people.

Helotoi?

Then again, the oh-so hallowed first Attican demokrateia were quite the slavering warmongers themselves. Both were more patriarchical than anything, all things told.


On the topic at hand: since showing off the female main-character's physique would likely be reserved to cutscenes - mostly romances, I presume - it is up to BW what they do with it, since for the majority of the time the madam Inquisitor will be covered up in armour anyway.

Modifié par Chashan, 05 janvier 2013 - 07:36 .

[Selene Moonsong]

Actually, I dislike all insinuations of what a woman's, or even a man's, physique should look like.

Anyone who has spent time in the military knows that the largest number of men and women aren't ripped and muscular like someone who spends most of their time in the gym body building: they pretty much look like every day people. It is actually very few who actually look like the suggested images.

[Lenimph]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

I disagree, I think they should look to, like, actual "warriors." Women in the military or something. Not a track runner.

Warriors/Rogues in Thedas fight mainly with physical power, like 21st century athletes and unlike 21st century military.

The training track runners get is VERY DIFFERENT then the training one would get in the miltia.  In the military they're far more concerned about stamina and strength, these are men and women who have to cary and weild very heavy weapon for long days just like a warrior of Thedas would be expected to do.  It doesn't necessarily burn off body fat like being on a track team would.  Maybe a rogue would look like a girl in gymnastics or track but certainly not a warrior.



... and the most liberated women of ancient Greece were those of Lesbos.

[bleetman]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Anyone who has spent time in the military knows that the largest number of men and women aren't ripped and muscular like someone who spends most of their time in the gym body building: they pretty much look like every day people. It is actually very few who actually look like the suggested images.

People in the modern military also don't wear full suits of platemail anymore, such is my understanding.

[iOnlySignIn]

ShadowDragoonFTW wrote...

And why should they look at these women, in particular? Of the two images I see (two are blocked by a work internet filter, I'm guessing), they appear to be swimmers.

...what do swimmers have anything to do with rogues and warriors? I get where your intention is, I just think it's incredibly misplaced (unless there is something more in the two missing pictures).

A "swimmer's build" isn't the only athletic build out there, you know. Muscles will form in different ways depending on what actions you're performing to develop them.

2 are swimmers, 1 pole vaulter, 1 tennis player. I can add more if you like.

The idea is simple. A Warrior/Rogue's profession is a physical struggle of life and death. The PC of a BioWare RPG is supposed to be the best at what they do. Hence, a Warrior/Rogue PC should look like a world class athlete. Of swimming, or other sport.

[daft inquisitor]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

You're serious, aren't you.

You're comparing an athlete, who devotes all of their energy to a single field, to someone in the military? With military training?

I beg to differ.

Which Dragon Age protagonist was "in the military", "with military training"?

Several of them, actually. From what I understand, a lot of current-day military trianing drills were derived from common militia excercises of the past, including those that would undoubtably be used in any guard detail. So, Avelline, being an honest-to-Make SOLDIER would be one, as would Sten, Oghren and Alistair. Zevran and Leilana also, arguably, depending on their specific training on combat, being assassins and all. 

[daft inquisitor]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

ShadowDragoonFTW wrote...

And why should they look at these women, in particular? Of the two images I see (two are blocked by a work internet filter, I'm guessing), they appear to be swimmers.

...what do swimmers have anything to do with rogues and warriors? I get where your intention is, I just think it's incredibly misplaced (unless there is something more in the two missing pictures).

A "swimmer's build" isn't the only athletic build out there, you know. Muscles will form in different ways depending on what actions you're performing to develop them.

2 are swimmers, 1 pole vaulter, 1 tennis player. I can add more if you like.

The idea is simple. A Warrior/Rogue's profession is a physical struggle of life and death. The PC of a BioWare RPG is supposed to be the best at what they do. Hence, a Warrior/Rogue PC should look like a world class athlete. Of swimming, or other sport.

The best at WHAT THEY DO. Yes. How many of the heroes of Dragon Age do  you see regularly sprinting for hours on end, hitting a tiny thing back and forth with a bigger thing, and using a form of pole to shoot themselves a dozen feet or more into the air?

...what's that you say? None of them? Yeah.

[iOnlySignIn]

Also, for those of you who complain about the uniformity/monotony of the OP, who would you like to add to it? I'm happy to take suggestions.

[iOnlySignIn]

ShadowDragoonFTW wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

ShadowDragoonFTW wrote...

And why should they look at these women, in particular? Of the two images I see (two are blocked by a work internet filter, I'm guessing), they appear to be swimmers.

...what do swimmers have anything to do with rogues and warriors? I get where your intention is, I just think it's incredibly misplaced (unless there is something more in the two missing pictures).

A "swimmer's build" isn't the only athletic build out there, you know. Muscles will form in different ways depending on what actions you're performing to develop them.

2 are swimmers, 1 pole vaulter, 1 tennis player. I can add more if you like.

The idea is simple. A Warrior/Rogue's profession is a physical struggle of life and death. The PC of a BioWare RPG is supposed to be the best at what they do. Hence, a Warrior/Rogue PC should look like a world class athlete. Of swimming, or other sport.

The best at WHAT THEY DO. Yes. How many of the heroes of Dragon Age do  you see regularly sprinting for hours on end, hitting a tiny thing back and forth with a bigger thing, and using a form of pole to shoot themselves a dozen feet or more into the air?

...what's that you say? None of them? Yeah.

None of them? More like ALL of them. And please don't put words in other people's mouths - it is a very rude thing.

Outside of talking, 75% of my Hawke/Warden do is sprinting. The other 25% consists of poking/hitting people with a small/large thing.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 05 janvier 2013 - 07:45 .

[Sol Downer]

ShadowDragoonFTW wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

ShadowDragoonFTW wrote...

And why should they look at these women, in particular? Of the two images I see (two are blocked by a work internet filter, I'm guessing), they appear to be swimmers.

...what do swimmers have anything to do with rogues and warriors? I get where your intention is, I just think it's incredibly misplaced (unless there is something more in the two missing pictures).

A "swimmer's build" isn't the only athletic build out there, you know. Muscles will form in different ways depending on what actions you're performing to develop them.

2 are swimmers, 1 pole vaulter, 1 tennis player. I can add more if you like.

The idea is simple. A Warrior/Rogue's profession is a physical struggle of life and death. The PC of a BioWare RPG is supposed to be the best at what they do. Hence, a Warrior/Rogue PC should look like a world class athlete. Of swimming, or other sport.

The best at WHAT THEY DO. Yes. How many of the heroes of Dragon Age do  you see regularly sprinting for hours on end, hitting a tiny thing back and forth with a bigger thing, and using a form of pole to shoot themselves a dozen feet or more into the air?

...what's that you say? None of them? Yeah.

Oh, stop not getting the point. What he means is both should look physically powerful, not like a teenager girl...looking at you Hawke!

[daft inquisitor]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also, for those of you who complain about the uniformity/monotony of the OP, who would you like to add to it? I'm happy to take suggestions.

Find me some pictures of people who regularly run around all day in 50-pound armor swinging about a sword and shield.