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[The Hierophant]

Death_Acolyte wrote...



Nuff said

Yup, that's a real warrior right there. Look as she gives that hapless adventurer the death stare.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 06 janvier 2013 - 03:30 .

[WardenWade]

addiction21 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Which Dragon Age protagonist was "in the military", "with military training"?

Rogue and warrior Hawke.

And the human noble, dwarf noble, and Dalish elf origins one could make cases for.

Then again it depends on what someones definition of "in the military", "with military training" is.

Additionally, though the city elf Warden did not receive official military training or join the army, they received under-the-table martial training in "swordplay, knifework, etc..." from their mother that is noticeable enough for Loghain to comment upon it at Ostagar.

Modifié par WardenWade, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:30 .

[Twisted Path]

A slight aside, but if you're looking for good examples of warrior women in ancient history the Scythians work a lot better than the Spartans. Certain groups of Scythians were *probably* the inspiration for the legends about amazons and there are Scythian tombs (a lot of them in certain areas,) where women were buried in full battle dress with signs of battle wounds on the remains. Of course the Scythians were more about shooting you full of poisoned arrows from horseback than sword fighting, and we have no idea what kind of physique they had.

I really like the idea of just modeling warrior women in video games after modern female athletes. There's a lot of debating you can do about what sport to use for reference but anything would be a step above the generic modern female model look videogame heroins seem to always get.

[Druid Walker Boh]

Spartan women weren't warriors. Although Xenophn does mention something very interesting, "...he established competitions of running and of strength for women with one another, just as he did for the men, because he thought that stronger offspring would be born if both parents were strong...", Aristotle explains that the laws towards women were hardly enforced.
"...the legislator wanted to make the whole state hardy and temperate, and he has carried out his intention in the case of the men, but he has neglected the women, who live in every sort of intemperance and luxury...", but towards the comments that mention the freedom of women in Sparta (at least Spartan women ) "...many things were managed by their women." (pp. 30-49)

[Celene II]

Bioware please take this as one request from one single person and not make every single body form as this person suggests.

You can be a rogue without being butch. You can be a warrior without looking like those people.

If you want to look like Venus Williams why not role a giant hulking male warrior?

[addiction21]

Celene II wrote...


If you want to look like Venus Williams why not role a giant hulking male warrior?

You need some new eyes if you think Venus is a giant hulking male warrior.

[Ghidorah14]

As long as they're properly clothed/armored, I'll be happy.

Seriously, we dont need another Isabela. She is an EMBARRASSMENT.

[Hey]

Warrior:
https://encrypted-tb...puX7qDa2zGk6X8w

Rogue:

https://encrypted-tb...YTZquwwmwQujPSw

Bard:

https://encrypted-tb...2ch4HIFmyFt1iAR

[Nightdragon8]

EntropicAngel wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Which Dragon Age protagonist was "in the military", "with military training"?

That's a fair point, but I could throw that right back at you: which one was a professional swimmer?

And, in the military they actually fight. They train for situations where they're pushing themselves to the limit physically, which I imagine  relates fairly well to Dragon Age.

Not a swimmer who's concerned with muscles only used in swimming, or the runner concerned only with muscles used in running.

Which ones where trained.... I would say that... DA:O  Noble Warrior/Rouge (the female version getting some training from mother), Noble Drawf warroir/Rouge. Consering was being trained to go into the deeproads which is pretty much a never ending war with the darkspawn. Can't really say that about the Elf Orgins, Considering it was more of a Hunter type of thing. DA2 Warroir Rouge Hawk, considering they where at Ostigar because they where running from there.

While the Hawks didn't have offical training they where swordsmen.

[Bfler]

Festae9 wrote...

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 First picture I don't want to see in my game as char. Second is a mage. Third is a warrior. 

[New Display Name]

Oh no, girls with muscles!

God forbid!

I swear, this society <_<

[Hey]

Bfler wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

...

 First picture I don't want to see in my game as char. Second is a mage. Third is a warrior. 

First:

https://encrypted-tb...x49_SxjupFpcj_A

Any change?  Totally hot and also can kick pretty much anyones ass.  Not sure how she handles a sword ("sword")...

[Madmoe77]

[quote]Festae9 wrote...

Warrior:
https://encrypted-tb...puX7qDa2zGk6X8w


https://encrypted-tb...YTZquwwmwQujPSw


https://encrypted-tb...2ch4HIFmyFt1iAR



Ronda Rousey BY ARMBAR! I thought of her or Gina Carano when the thread title popped up. GSP for male model.

[Hey]

[quote]Madmoe77 wrote...

[quote]Festae9 wrote...

Warrior:
https://encrypted-tb...puX7qDa2zGk6X8w


https://encrypted-tb...YTZquwwmwQujPSw


https://encrypted-tb...2ch4HIFmyFt1iAR



Ronda Rousey BY ARMBAR! I thought of her or Gina Carano when the thread title popped up. GSP for male model.

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[nightscrawl]

My God, some of you people latch onto something like a pit-bull and need your jaws pried open with a crowbar. Instead of all this back and forth about semantics or real life jobs versus body type, how about addressing whether having different body types would even be possible in the game, or whether it's something Bioware is willing to invest the resources into?

Going by Bioware's own history with Dragon Age bodies, they have had the same body models for all PCs and NPC, with very few exceptions. In DAO all human males had the same body underneath their clothing: Alistiar, Loghain, and Irving all looked the same. Anora, Morrigan, Wynne, and Eleanor Cousland all looked the same. The same is true for elves and dwarves as well; young or old, rich or poor, they all looked the same. DAO at least had the additional benefit of having a "large size" human male and female (female used only once) to add some variety.

It was obvious that the same thing was done in DA2 as well -- male Hawke has the same body as Keran, which you see during the Enemies Among Us quest --, though it was considerably less noticeable because we couldn't take the clothing off our companions. As far as I know, Merrill is the one exception since there was already an undressed female elf body in the game for The Blooming Rose. Isabela and Fenris, out of necessity, have unique bodies.

In order for the OP's request to be even remotely possible they would (I assume) have to add body customization into the game's character creation to allow for the different body types. I actually think this would go a long way toward helping the environment out as well, because then you can have the whole gamut of body types among the loitering NPCs as well, making the world feel more real and alive.

By the way, I absolutely despise molding the body to fit the armor, as was done with the mage Champion armor sets and the bare bicep. Female Hawke is OK, but the male Hawke's arm there... ew, not my thing, at all.

[xsdob]

addiction21 wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...


Yes, I was in the U.S. Navy for more years than I care to remember.

Ah yes, the glorified taxi service for the real soldiers

I facepalm at you sir. I facepalm at you and your fail post.

If that was suppose to be sarcastic or humorous, you failed to convey that.

If it was serious, than you sir are an ass.

[Reofeir]

xsdob wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...


Yes, I was in the U.S. Navy for more years than I care to remember.

Ah yes, the glorified taxi service for the real soldiers

I facepalm at you sir. I facepalm at you and your fail post.

If that was suppose to be sarcastic or humorous, you failed to convey that.

If it was serious, than you sir are an ass.

[New Display Name]

nightscrawl wrote...

My God, some of you people latch onto something like a pit-bull and need your jaws pried open with a crowbar. Instead of all this back and forth about semantics or real life jobs versus body type, how about addressing whether having different body types would even be possible in the game, or whether it's something Bioware is willing to invest the resources into?

Going by Bioware's own history with Dragon Age bodies, they have had the same body models for all PCs and NPC, with very few exceptions. In DAO all human males had the same body underneath their clothing: Alistiar, Loghain, and Irving all looked the same. Anora, Morrigan, Wynne, and Eleanor Cousland all looked the same. The same is true for elves and dwarves as well; young or old, rich or poor, they all looked the same. DAO at least had the additional benefit of having a "large size" human male and female (female used only once) to add some variety.

It was obvious that the same thing was done in DA2 as well -- male Hawke has the same body as Keran, which you see during the Enemies Among Us quest --, though it was considerably less noticeable because we couldn't take the clothing off our companions. As far as I know, Merrill is the one exception since there was already an undressed female elf body in the game for The Blooming Rose. Isabela and Fenris, out of necessity, have unique bodies.

In order for the OP's request to be even remotely possible they would (I assume) have to add body customization into the game's character creation to allow for the different body types. I actually think this would go a long way toward helping the environment out as well, because then you can have the whole gamut of body types among the loitering NPCs as well, making the world feel more real and alive.

By the way, I absolutely despise molding the body to fit the armor, as was done with the mage Champion armor sets and the bare bicep. Female Hawke is OK, but the male Hawke's arm there... ew, not my thing, at all.

Aveline had a unique body, or at least textures to show muscle.
That alone shows that it's not so far fetched as you may imagine.

Modifié par HJF4, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:02 .

[Jonata]

Death_Acolyte wrote...



Nuff said

Oh, C'MON. 

Anything coming from Soul Calibur or Final Fantasy should be left out of any "realistic women bodies" conversation. 

Modifié par Jonata, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:32 .

[Dhiro]

Jonata wrote...

Death_Acolyte wrote...



Nuff said

Oh, C'MON. 

Anything coming from Soul Calibur or Final Fantasy should be left out of any "realistic women bodies" conversation. 

I don't see anything unrealistic about her body. Unless you mean she doesn't look realistically fit for battle.

[Celene II]

addiction21 wrote...

[You need some new eyes if you think Venus is a giant hulking male warrior.

No Venus Williams is not a giant hulking male warrior but she is 7 inches taller and 38 lbs heavier then average

So she is alot closer to hulking and giant then 99% of all women in our world.

All I said in my early post was, choice is great, if someone wants to play a venus williams warrior more power to them but my warrior can be Sarah Michelle Gellar because people are throwing fireballs all over the place and magic rules the day

Do we really have to have the frame of an olympic weight lifter to be a warrior when the suspension of disbelief has to be set on high for dark spawn, dwarves, elves, magic, makers, and such already?

To demand butch framed woman for warriors because its logical or realistic in a fantasy game is contradictory.

[philippe willaume]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Howard Schatz's book "Athlete" has a visual comparison of the many different sizes and shapes of different athletes, depending on their specialization or event. One might infer from this that female soldiers or warriors might exhibit similar differences depending on their role in combat and fighting style, perhaps even their choice of preferred weapon. A warrior specializing in a zweihander is not going to have the same training and physical development as a crossbowman, and they will likely have a different build than, say, an assassin.

And while debating the appearance of real-world warriors and realistic physical development, a game may not reflect these differences, instead minimizing the scope of the game by having only one or two visually distinct body types.

well, i would say that the morphology in function of the occupation, would occur only when your are looking at very specialised performances.

ie as you said all
the top distance runner male or female tend to look the same because they have a body type that is the best for the task and the training developed the body towards one task.



Now the more lethal the weapons the less the physique matters

even the 15th
century master tell us to fight will all the strength of our bodies and that you should deliver the strike using sound bio-mechanics.  and not strike like a "peasant" (ie 15th century by word for an untutored man/woman) .



I am 5.11 and 220 lbs and my students comes in all body shape, long sword wise it does not make a
difference.
The press-up sit-ups and squat and the wrestling/ground fighting do more to the body that the  sword practice.
(the conditioning is just here to make sure that you can take a hit from the shinai or a fist/lick and being decked on the floor)

Having been in the arm forces myself, and with the proviso that you spend most of time running to place A so that you can wait in order to run to place B typically because transport did not turn up or you waited too long in A.
you tend to have a level of fitness more than a body type per se

Phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:59 .

[philippe willaume]

Dhiro wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Death_Acolyte wrote...



Nuff said

Oh, C'MON. 

Anything coming from Soul Calibur or Final Fantasy should be left out of any "realistic women bodies" conversation. 

I don't see anything unrealistic about her body. Unless you mean she doesn't look realistically fit for battle.

Too many gaps in the armour....

[Noviere]

nightscrawl wrote...

Going by Bioware's own history with Dragon Age bodies, they have had the same body models for all PCs and NPC, with very few exceptions.

This is the only thing that was going through my head the entire time I patiently waded through this thread. If Bioware decides to create multiple body types, then I'd be fine with inclusion of a muscular female. But if every female NPC shares the same body... Well, I don't want to see weight-lifting barmaids, noblewomen, and shopkeepers.

HJF4 wrote...
Aveline had a unique body, or at least textures to show muscle.
That alone shows that it's not so far fetched as you may imagine.

Several of the companions had unique bodies in DA2... But their appearances couldn't be changed via gear. The default bodies used for Hawke and every other NPC were designed to fit every set of armor/clothing. Multiple body types combined with a bunch of sets of gear means a lot of work. Judging by past Bioware games, they don't seem to think the effort is worth the cost.