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[Invader Nemesis]

Faulcun wrote...

What really pisses me off is the fact that there are people here who think its ok to change a product that somebody paid for just because they dont like the way they play the game. If I were to say to somebody that I dont like the way they drive to work, and close down a whole road and force them to take a 30 min detour, the first words out of all of their mouths would be... "thats f'd up". Who the hell is anybody to say how somebody else should play a game. There are THOUSANDS of people who play this game. Not all of them are hardcore gamers who only strive to be as good as Jay or RedJohn. Most people are casual gamers, and intend to stay that way. If you dont like the way somebody else is playing the game, then Alt+F4 is your best friend. Gtfo and start your own server and play how you want there. Nobody is forcing you to farm, therefore nobody should be forced to stop farming, or using a particular weapon, or a kit in a certain way, or using ammo with other powers, etc etc. I know people on the forums are from all over the world, but did anybody know that in the united states, more people participated and voted in american idol than in the election for their own president? Think about what that implies. I'm reminded of that every time I see some of the ridiculous crap that gets posted up sometimes. It makes me ashamed to be associated with BSN sometimes. I just noticed the other day that a whole forum was shut down on here because people couldnt figure out how to get along with each other on the internet. All these people who think they are "fixing" things by imposing all the changes on casual players are actually the ones who end up killing the game for good. Look at FF XI. The game died before it was even released by putting xp caps on time so people wouldnt grind and farm to max out characters in a few days. When the game stops being fun for the casual players, it dies. Remember that when you log on one day and cant get people to join your room or find a room to join.

TL;DR- I made the wall on purpose. I dont need you to tell me you are too lazy to move your eyeballs from left to right. I know literacy is a tough concept these days, but im sorry your uber monitor doesnt have pop-up book capabilities. If you dont care, dont read it.

Ha nice. China called btw.

And I did read this post...I'm a high school graduate and college student. I read text walls on almost daily basis.

You got your panties in a bunch just like everyone else. This is the internet I can say what I want and how I feel. If people want to play casual stick to bronze and silver. Those people are using that box to prevent banshees from sync killing them. That's exploiting the game. If you can't handle the difficulty don't play it.

[FlowCytometry]

GordianKnot42 wrote...
- the danger: when BW was asked to "fix" FBWGG farming, their first attempted fix was to make the Geth into stun-lock city, before then fixing the Pyro grabs and adding buggy Bombers with MORE stun-lock capability before FINALLY fixing the design of the map. The cure may be worse than the disease.

Right, but you can't blame that on the players that wanted farming abated for the sake of not taking forever to find random games. Most players did not ask for more geth stunlock- that was mostly BW's doing. If anything, most players wanted Geth to be a more well-rounded faction w/ less reliance on stuns. They ultimately decided to implement the map and enemy changes and even gave their own extensive philosophy on camping. They aren't against camping per se, but they are against heavy use of it mainly because they want players to make better use of all the maps they took time out to design. And that makes sense really; if you spent all that time constructing a map and only saw players sticking to one small area all the time you'd be disconcerted too.

[Original Twigman]

Faulcun wrote...

What really pisses me off is the fact that there are people here who think its ok to change a product that somebody paid for just because they dont like the way they play the game. If I were to say to somebody that I dont like the way they drive to work, and close down a whole road and force them to take a 30 min detour, the first words out of all of their mouths would be... "thats f'd up". Who the hell is anybody to say how somebody else should play a game. There are THOUSANDS of people who play this game. Not all of them are hardcore gamers who only strive to be as good as Jay or RedJohn. Most people are casual gamers, and intend to stay that way. If you dont like the way somebody else is playing the game, then Alt+F4 is your best friend. Gtfo and start your own server and play how you want there. Nobody is forcing you to farm, therefore nobody should be forced to stop farming, or using a particular weapon, or a kit in a certain way, or using ammo with other powers, etc etc. I know people on the forums are from all over the world, but did anybody know that in the united states, more people participated and voted in american idol than in the election for their own president? Think about what that implies. I'm reminded of that every time I see some of the ridiculous crap that gets posted up sometimes. It makes me ashamed to be associated with BSN sometimes. I just noticed the other day that a whole forum was shut down on here because people couldnt figure out how to get along with each other on the internet. All these people who think they are "fixing" things by imposing all the changes on casual players are actually the ones who end up killing the game for good. Look at FF XI. The game died before it was even released by putting xp caps on time so people wouldnt grind and farm to max out characters in a few days. When the game stops being fun for the casual players, it dies. Remember that when you log on one day and cant get people to join your room or find a room to join.

TL;DR- I made the wall on purpose. I dont need you to tell me you are too lazy to move your eyeballs from left to right. I know literacy is a tough concept these days, but im sorry your uber monitor doesnt have pop-up book capabilities. If you dont care, dont read it.

You know what is so ironically hilarious about this? Literacy isn't just "reading" it is also about writing comprehension and about one's own ability to write thoughtfully. If you want to insult other people's level of literacy, perhaps you should work on your own first.

Modifié par Original Stikman, 09 janvier 2013 - 12:31 .

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Istari Ipuosta wrote...

A very good example to show that farmers have nothing to do with inability to find a good random game. You search Platium and end up with either farmers or bad players because there aren't that many good players out there, not because inadequate players are filling platium games. If game changes force them out of platium, you will only end up with a painfully long waiting time instead of quality games. Farmers are out there and you don't want to play with them whether they are in platium farming or not. It's not fun to farm but really it's not their fault you can't find a decent game. Maybe a map exclusion option in game searching can help ease the pain. A "joining unstarted games only" option will also help.

Learn from this man, people, he understands.

[Mindlog]

Open the roof up and increase enemy grenade spam.

[Invader Nemesis]

Mindlog wrote...

Open the roof up and increase enemy grenade spam.

You have the best ideas. Keep them coming...

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Invader Nemesis wrote...


You got your panties in a bunch just like everyone else. This is the internet I can say what I want and how I feel. If people want to play casual stick to bronze and silver. Those people are using that box to prevent banshees from sync killing them. That's exploiting the game. If you can't handle the difficulty don't play it.

And people use stairs to prevent banshees from synch killing.  And people use shooty classes and vangods because they can't handle the difficulty without playing a "cheat class." 


If people have fun hiding in a box let them.  If you don't want to hide in a box then don't.  Pretty simple.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 09 janvier 2013 - 12:52 .

[GriM_AoD]

Just thought I'd dig this back up...

GriM_AoD wrote...

Here's an amusing alternative.
I call it: Operation - I heard you like boxes, so I put a box inside your box.

Put a box [crate(s) of some description] inside the box so that players are bloacked from going in and bring the ammo out, rested against the new box.
Oh and the box dans le box should have the the word 'shame' somewhere on it - preferably above the relocated ammo.

Oh.. it appears I quoted myself --> dealwithit.jpg

[AjaxDuo]

I don't understand it personally, I only run back to the crates on the extraction wave to basically lure everything to the other end of the map. Play aggressive, run around with you team. It's SO much faster than sitting in a box for almost an hour :\\

[Original Twigman]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Invader Nemesis wrote...


You got your panties in a bunch just like everyone else. This is the internet I can say what I want and how I feel. If people want to play casual stick to bronze and silver. Those people are using that box to prevent banshees from sync killing them. That's exploiting the game. If you can't handle the difficulty don't play it.

And people use stairs to prevent banshees from synch killing.  And people use shooty classes and vangods because they can't handle the difficulty without playing a "cheat class." 


If people have fun hiding in a box let them.  If you don't want to hide in a box then don't.  Pretty simple.

lol, i doubt 99% of the player base can take most vangaurds on U/U/P and play well with them. I don't even see people play the krogaurd well....

[Invader Nemesis]

Original Stikman wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Invader Nemesis wrote...


You got your panties in a bunch just like everyone else. This is the internet I can say what I want and how I feel. If people want to play casual stick to bronze and silver. Those people are using that box to prevent banshees from sync killing them. That's exploiting the game. If you can't handle the difficulty don't play it.

And people use stairs to prevent banshees from synch killing.  And people use shooty classes and vangods because they can't handle the difficulty without playing a "cheat class." 


If people have fun hiding in a box let them.  If you don't want to hide in a box then don't.  Pretty simple.

lol, i doubt 99% of the player base can take most vangaurds on U/U/P and play well with them. I don't even see people play the krogaurd well....

Exactly...

[STRANGE10VE]

The issue is not farming or camping. The issue is cheating. Remove a banshees sync kill she is nothing. Camping that side of rio or the LZ at giant are boring but legitimate strategies. Sitting in the box is cheating. No different than palming cards at the poker table, easy win but its still cheating.

[Sulaco_7]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

And people use stairs to prevent banshees from synch killing. 

Yes, the stairs glitch should be fixed too.  ALL bugs should be fixed.

Some people believe that the Rio container isn't a bug.  Ok, I guess.

Others admit that it is a bug, but don't want it to be fixed.  This I just don't understand.
 

[Grammaton Dryad]

How has the simple suggestion by the OP caused 16 pages of debate?

clearly dem farmers & farming haters be angry.

[ParatrooperSean]

Hendrix137 wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Hendrix137 wrote...

Just Cav wrote...

No. Stop "fixing" **** that isn't broken. Who cares if people camp or farm or whatever? Bioware should be ashamed for forcing players to play differently (albeit the new White was a genuinely good redesign), and you should be ashamed for encouraging them to.

Obviously a lot of people care, just look at this thread. BioWare should be applauded for supporting diversity in this game (even though they do it for the money). Do you think they created a game with so many maps, classes, playstyles etc. just so that the majority of people can play the same **** over and over again? This is just sad. Public Platinum lobbys are a joke because of Rio.

How does it concern you? Your personal opinion about it fails to explain how others doing it affects you personally. If you repeat the "I can't find a non-Rio platinum" meme I suspect that's even more exaggerated than those claiming they couldn't find a non Geth White game. In fact sometime soon I'm going to test the claim by joining a series of quick platinum PUGs and logging the results.

So you don't even play Platinum with PUGs regularly but you want to "test" this claim? How do you want to do that? I've been playing public Platinum games for several months now and believe me, it's already hard enough to find a decent lobby without Rio. Now combine this with the fact that most public lobbys nowadays are Rio camps and you should be able to understand why this is getting on many peoples nerves...

I already told you how I want to do that. By searching for U/U/P games and logging the results. Maybe it's as you say. Or maybe it's as untrue as those falsely claiming it takes them 20 minutes to find an U/U/G game that wasn't FBW Geth.

[Anduin The Grey]

STRANGE10VE wrote...

The issue is not farming or camping. The issue is cheating. Remove a banshees sync kill she is nothing. Camping that side of rio or the LZ at giant are boring but legitimate strategies. Sitting in the box is cheating. No different than palming cards at the poker table, easy win but its still cheating.

And objective waves such as center hack or escort from one end to the other?

[JewelsWinnfield]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

I already told you how I want to do that. By searching for U/U/P games and logging the results. Maybe it's as you say. Or maybe it's as untrue as those falsely claiming it takes them 20 minutes to find an U/U/G game that wasn't FBW Geth.

If you consider looking for a couple of UUP games as a valid test, then don't bother. I already made a video for you:


However, if you really want to test this you have to start playing Platinum now and come back in a couple of weeks with the results.

[Invader Nemesis]

STRANGE10VE wrote...

The issue is not farming or camping. The issue is cheating. Remove a banshees sync kill she is nothing. Camping that side of rio or the LZ at giant are boring but legitimate strategies. Sitting in the box is cheating. No different than palming cards at the poker table, easy win but its still cheating.

This exactly ^^^ Why is it so hard for people to understand...<_<

[Arkman279]

Get good enough and you won't have to do it or even want to. all the people camping the box end up with low scores anyways because it takes forever for what gets by me while I'm lone wolfing it to even get to the box. It's such a boring strategy and really unnecessary if your good. I see people do it and kind of chuckle at them.

[Faulcun]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

Faulcun wrote...

What really pisses me off is the fact that there are people here who think its ok to change a product that somebody paid for just because they dont like the way they play the game. If I were to say to somebody that I dont like the way they drive to work, and close down a whole road and force them to take a 30 min detour, the first words out of all of their mouths would be... "thats f'd up". Who the hell is anybody to say how somebody else should play a game. There are THOUSANDS of people who play this game. Not all of them are hardcore gamers who only strive to be as good as Jay or RedJohn. Most people are casual gamers, and intend to stay that way. If you dont like the way somebody else is playing the game, then Alt+F4 is your best friend. Gtfo and start your own server and play how you want there. Nobody is forcing you to farm, therefore nobody should be forced to stop farming, or using a particular weapon, or a kit in a certain way, or using ammo with other powers, etc etc. I know people on the forums are from all over the world, but did anybody know that in the united states, more people participated and voted in american idol than in the election for their own president? Think about what that implies. I'm reminded of that every time I see some of the ridiculous crap that gets posted up sometimes. It makes me ashamed to be associated with BSN sometimes. I just noticed the other day that a whole forum was shut down on here because people couldnt figure out how to get along with each other on the internet. All these people who think they are "fixing" things by imposing all the changes on casual players are actually the ones who end up killing the game for good. Look at FF XI. The game died before it was even released by putting xp caps on time so people wouldnt grind and farm to max out characters in a few days. When the game stops being fun for the casual players, it dies. Remember that when you log on one day and cant get people to join your room or find a room to join.

TL;DR- I made the wall on purpose. I dont need you to tell me you are too lazy to move your eyeballs from left to right. I know literacy is a tough concept these days, but im sorry your uber monitor doesnt have pop-up book capabilities. If you dont care, dont read it.

Ha nice. China called btw.

And I did read this post...I'm a high school graduate and college student. I read text walls on almost daily basis.

You got your panties in a bunch just like everyone else. This is the internet I can say what I want and how I feel. If people want to play casual stick to bronze and silver. Those people are using that box to prevent banshees from sync killing them. That's exploiting the game. If you can't handle the difficulty don't play it.

either way, casual or not. People have the right to play however they want. Although, I agree that the game needs better filters. Aside from that, I play plat with people I trust. The reason you dont get people joining your UUP server when you make one is because they dont want to play on your settings. which means there is nobody on your skill level looking for public games anyways. "fixing" rio wont change that. I still wont look for public lobbies on plat. All the people who play RRP will be forced to "go back to their skill level" and still there wont be anybody playing platinum.

Original Stikman wrote...

Faulcun wrote...

TL;DR- I made the wall on purpose. I dont need you to tell me you are too lazy to move your eyeballs from left to right. I know literacy is a tough concept these days, but im sorry your uber monitor doesnt have pop-up book capabilities. If you dont care, dont read it.

You
know what is so ironically hilarious about this? Literacy isn't just
"reading" it is also about writing comprehension and about one's own
ability to write thoughtfully. If you want to insult other people's
level of literacy, perhaps you should work on your own first.

My tl;dr section was meant for those who think its cute to reply with "tl;dr" or "china wants their wall back"  when somebody else takes the time out of their day to share something with all of you. I see it all over these forums, and I think its the stupidest form of disrespect towards the OP. It has nothing to do with my main section.

[SavagelyEpic]

Faulcun wrote...

What really pisses me off is the fact that there are people here who think its ok to change a product that somebody paid for just because they dont like the way they play the game. If I were to say to somebody that I dont like the way they drive to work, and close down a whole road and force them to take a 30 min detour, the first words out of all of their mouths would be... "thats f'd up". Who the hell is anybody to say how somebody else should play a game. There are THOUSANDS of people who play this game. Not all of them are hardcore gamers who only strive to be as good as Jay or RedJohn. Most people are casual gamers, and intend to stay that way. If you dont like the way somebody else is playing the game, then Alt+F4 is your best friend. Gtfo and start your own server and play how you want there. Nobody is forcing you to farm, therefore nobody should be forced to stop farming, or using a particular weapon, or a kit in a certain way, or using ammo with other powers, etc etc. I know people on the forums are from all over the world, but did anybody know that in the united states, more people participated and voted in american idol than in the election for their own president? Think about what that implies. I'm reminded of that every time I see some of the ridiculous crap that gets posted up sometimes. It makes me ashamed to be associated with BSN sometimes. I just noticed the other day that a whole forum was shut down on here because people couldnt figure out how to get along with each other on the internet. All these people who think they are "fixing" things by imposing all the changes on casual players are actually the ones who end up killing the game for good. Look at FF XI. The game died before it was even released by putting xp caps on time so people wouldnt grind and farm to max out characters in a few days. When the game stops being fun for the casual players, it dies. Remember that when you log on one day and cant get people to join your room or find a room to join.

TL;DR- I made the wall on purpose. I dont need you to tell me you are too lazy to move your eyeballs from left to right. I know literacy is a tough concept these days, but im sorry your uber monitor doesnt have pop-up book capabilities. If you dont care, dont read it.

It's funny once you realize that creating walls of text (and the numerous errors you've made within) is symptomatic of the barely-literate and intellectually-challenged.

Or perhaps you're not yet old enough to have learned the basic foundational principles of writing. What grade are you in? You're clearly still a grade-schooler. From both your post and attitude (attitude esp.) it seems evident to me you've not yet even advanced to the level of high school academics or maturity.

In other news, get off your high horse and check your attitude. And if you are going to make the misguided effort to think yourself a moral authority and attempt to lecture those you view as your inferiors, it is advisable to at the very least avoid committing the same mistakes as those you're ranting on about.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 09 janvier 2013 - 03:55 .

[Faulcun]

SavagelyEpic wrote...


It's funny once you realize that creating walls of text (and the numerous errors you've made within) is symptomatic of the barely-literate and intellectually-challenged.

Or perhaps you're not yet old enough to have learned the basic foundational principles of writing. What grade are you in? You're clearly still a grade-schooler. From both your post and attitude (attitude esp.) it seems evident to me you've not yet even advanced to the level of high school academics or maturity.

In other news, get off your high horse and check your attitude. And if you are going to make the misguided effort to think yourself a moral authority and attempt to lecture those you view as your inferiors, it is advisable to at the very least avoid committing the same mistakes as those you're ranting on about.

Other than the fact that I dont use apostrophe marks in my words, what errors would you be refering to?

My frustration and attitude comes from the constant bashing and negativity that goes on in these forums. You can not sit here and tell me that there isnt one person in almost every thread that doesnt do exactly as ive already described. I have never claimed to be better than anybody else, but there is such thing as manners. If you are going to sit here and defend that crap, then you are no better than the ones that do it. You're last post is already proving my point. On the flip side, find any post I have ever made where I have said something negative towards anybody specific.

[SavagelyEpic]

Faulcun wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...


It's funny once you realize that creating walls of text (and the numerous errors you've made within) is symptomatic of the barely-literate and intellectually-challenged.

Or perhaps you're not yet old enough to have learned the basic foundational principles of writing. What grade are you in? You're clearly still a grade-schooler. From both your post and attitude (attitude esp.) it seems evident to me you've not yet even advanced to the level of high school academics or maturity.

In other news, get off your high horse and check your attitude. And if you are going to make the misguided effort to think yourself a moral authority and attempt to lecture those you view as your inferiors, it is advisable to at the very least avoid committing the same mistakes as those you're ranting on about.

Other than the fact that I dont use apostrophe marks in my words, what errors would you be refering to?

My frustration and attitude comes from the constant bashing and negativity that goes on in these forums. You can not sit here and tell me that there isnt one person in almost every thread that doesnt do exactly as ive already described. I have never claimed to be better than anybody else, but there is such thing as manners. If you are going to sit here and defend that crap, then you are no better than the ones that do it. You're last post is already proving my point. On the flip side, find any post I have ever made where I have said something negative towards anybody specific.

I don't exactly see how getting your panties in a bunch and witnessing "constant bashing and negativity", as you put it, are related in any way. It goes without saying that your characterization of that behaviour is a gross exaggeration.

I'm not defending anyone and I don't see how you reached that conclusion, but regardless if you're going to point out manners then by that logic shouldn't you have the decency to exhibit the same? As for me proving your point, I can't argue that when you have not even made a point to prove. Incoherent ramblings do not a solid point make.

As for your literacy, I wasn't even referring to your lack of apostrophes. In any case the point is rather empty and meaningless so I'll simply say that even your reply contained no shortage of mistakes. Not that I care or think it matters in any way, I simply find it ironic that you'd try to lecture others on the matter of literacy.

[Anduin The Grey]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

STRANGE10VE wrote...

The issue is not farming or camping. The issue is cheating. Remove a banshees sync kill she is nothing. Camping that side of rio or the LZ at giant are boring but legitimate strategies. Sitting in the box is cheating. No different than palming cards at the poker table, easy win but its still cheating.

This exactly ^^^ Why is it so hard for people to understand...<_<

Just done Reaper Platinum Glacier, occupied Hub spawn, no ammo crate, Banshees make the occasional pickup but you can lose a player, even the Volus and still get through the level no probs.

Your arguments are invalid.

[upinya slayin]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

STRANGE10VE wrote...

The issue is not farming or camping. The issue is cheating. Remove a banshees sync kill she is nothing. Camping that side of rio or the LZ at giant are boring but legitimate strategies. Sitting in the box is cheating. No different than palming cards at the poker table, easy win but its still cheating.

This exactly ^^^ Why is it so hard for people to understand...<_<

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