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[JewelsWinnfield]

Seneva wrote...

Dont wanna end up in Rio? Host your own damn game.

Yes, that is the solution. Everybody who doesn't want to camp Rio should just open his own lobby. Oh wait, that means we all have to solo Platinum from now on...

[oVoSoDo]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

oVoSoDo wrote...

I bet people who make these whine threads already have a maxed or close to maxed manifest.

And I bet people worried about the change are playing in a difficulty not suited for their abilities.

Absolutely! But I'm pretty sure people can play whatever they like on whatever difficulty they want. What I meant with the other post is that I'm sure most of the people who post threads like this one farmed credits at some point, speedfarming or camping in the other map, and when they have all the shiny UR forget what it's like to have only an Avenger 2 and no consumables.
It's only human, people want to have better equipment, and credits are needed, the more the better.

[Kira Sierra Cyrus]

For god's sake, even forum's quoting system is awful compared to many others

@Original Stikman

Biodronе mode is on the overdrive as I can see. won't even quote

@Slimjim0725

>I was curious as to why you would play a game you don't enjoy
I enjoy trying new classes/abilites. Something Bioware didn't have courtesy of including into campaign or Internet-unreliant mode

>Yes, but not the end of the world losing a couple of missiles or gels and not getting credits.

When you don't have all day to play games, it is a big problem. Most matches last 15-25 minutes, which is quite much

>Most of the time when you can't charge there is something blocking your path (even something small can do it).

It is true, but there are many times when target is several steps away in front of you, not blocked by anything

>. Either deal with it or move to another game, it isn't going to change.
Such attitude is why Bioware thinks it was an okay decision.


> learn to play and pay attention to your surroundings better.

Doesn't exactly work when there is a cluster*k all around. Especially with "stick to one place" tasks

Modifié par Kira Sierra Cyrus, 06 janvier 2013 - 08:29 .

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

RB26D3TT wrote...

Invader Nemesis wrote...

Arctican wrote...

RB26D3TT wrote...

Invader Nemesis wrote...

Remove the ammo crate from the box of shame. An even simplier fix than Firebase White I'm sure.

*Consider this for balance changes plz biowere

This so called box of shame got me Rio Platinum Mastery twice, so I wouldn't like that. Why do you even care?f you are jealous of people making credits I, play yourself instead of making rubbish threads.

*snip

Did you really just admit that? Dude.....that is just....LAME.

I hope you are trolling

What's the big deal anyway? It was my only platinum mastery in Map mastery.
P. S. Admitting the truth is not lame. Making crappy threads is.
P. P. S. You haven't answered a question. Why do you give a rats ass?

Why do I give a rats ass? Because its annoying and its cheap. Also if I wanted to go for my solo mastery I'm gonna do it like a real gamer and not use some cheat or exploit just to get a stupid f*cking banner that no one is really going to give a sh*t about.

If I were you I would never admit to that level of cheapness.

if you think that was annoying just forget the map alredy and move on. Don't expect people to play like you. And not all people born and has the same traits or ability like you. Some people really put effort to finish the Game on higher and some of them are not.

Your comment is based on your own Ego's.

Play like a Real gamer??? Don't be an egoist person. 

[Blind2Society]

This thread should have been axed from the start. Yes, it is a very simply fix to a problem (which I honestly have never witnessed) but we all know how BioWare reacts to this kind of thing and we end up with the Geth.

[SlimJim0725]

oVoSoDo wrote...

Slimjim0725 wrote...

oVoSoDo wrote...

I bet people who make these whine threads already have a maxed or close to maxed manifest.

And I bet people worried about the change are playing in a difficulty not suited for their abilities.

Absolutely! But I'm pretty sure people can play whatever they like on whatever difficulty they want. What I meant with the other post is that I'm sure most of the people who post threads like this one farmed credits at some point, speedfarming or camping in the other map, and when they have all the shiny UR forget what it's like to have only an Avenger 2 and no consumables.
It's only human, people want to have better equipment, and credits are needed, the more the better.

"Speed farming" is a high risk high reward type of deal. If you don't know how to take care of spawns quickly things can go south extremely quickly. It also doesn't require anyone to hide from a Banshee let alone any other enemy. Camping is a legit strategy as well, but not if it renders an enemy or enemies completely useless until objective waves.

I didn't forget what it is like to have an Avenger II either, I played on my neighbor's account when he literally had nothing and you know what I played? Bronze and Silver where I could hold my own and be comfortable rather than relying on a cheap trick to play above my level.

People are impatient and want instant gratification when they clearly haven't earned it. Would having a Harrier X make someone that camps the "box of shame" any better? I highly doubt it.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

For god's sake, this is basic tactics, people.

You always strive to fight your enemies on your terms. If you're good at CQC, you try to force the enemy into situations where your advantage is the greatest. If you're bad at CQC, you endeavor to engage from a distance. If enemies outnumber you and attack in a big horde, try to direct them into a narrow defile or enclosed space, such that their numbers work against them.

Only in the ME3 universe could these basic tenets of combat strategy be routinely circumvented:

We can't take cover in what's obstenibly supposed to be a cover-based shooter because we have at least 1 major "cover-killer" or cover-ignoring unit in each faction, as well as (usually) several which can decide, at any given moment, if your cover is going to apply or not. If you take cover in most areas, you're actually hindering yourself. Meanwhile, the game still uses this cover system for absolutely everything, including several weapons that function with reduced capability if used outside of cover. I choose to note with some dismay that there's been no drive to fix that.

We can't direct enemies into favorable locations for us, because some players find doing that "cheap," and so we have to lose favorable terrain like... Rooms with no exits. Because those were such absolute critical importance that we had to remove them. Oh, and anywhere we could potentially funnel enemies into a specific vector, because god help us if we could control the flow of a battle in any way, shape, or form.

And if people somehow do find some bit of terrain that they can hold and offers a tactically-superior position? NERF. NERF NERFITTY NERF NERF NERF.

No war was won without taking stock of an enemy's weakness, but it seems Bioware doesn't want us using common sense or grasp of tactics in a combat situation. No, dealing with people fighting effectively is just that important. Better to just nerf map layouts and complain about people using any advantage they can get their hands on, since that's what leads to them buying more magic space points, amirite?

Modifié par JaimasOfRaxis, 06 janvier 2013 - 08:36 .

[oVoSoDo]

@slimjim when I get my harrier 10 I'll let you know. Btw, advice to people who play Rio: camping Giant LZ is much easier

[JewelsWinnfield]

Hiding in a cargo box is now considered "tactics"? 35 minutes for a Platinum game is called "fighting effectively"? I'm outta here.

[Shadow Storm]

Oh for god sake you lot have something wrong with you i swear it. It is always something...aww they use Krysae alot so it must be nerfed etc. Most recent the Harrier is overpowered it MUST be nerfed. -.- If people want to camp in the box in Rio then let them god damn camp in the box. if you don't like it then move to another game or find some friends with your unique set of skills and join them.

I don't begrudge some poor low N7 player working with a Avenger of all things using the box given most enemies are annoying as is. Leave them be not all players have the skill or equipment to match you so let them fight as they want to fight. Just because they are in the box doesn't mean you need to join them and thus how does that affect you? If anything it allows you to keep all the enemies to yourself while they wait and hide in the box.

Modifié par Raiden Storm, 06 janvier 2013 - 08:55 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Hahaha. BSN, never change!

[Ziegrif]

This is starting to remind me of the SP boards with the hate.
It only lacks death threats and blatant insulting with the names and such.
As for me?
I don't play plat. It's boring.
When I get thrown in Rio on gold I run around and shoot stuff.
I don't mind if others decide to go for the box, but they're not gonna do much in the game if they decide to stay there and they will manage to mess the spawns up in the labyrinth of pillars which are easy to wipe out.
There's also objectives. Those should and will always bring forth trouble because you are at the box side. Pizza delievery for example, through the entire map with Geth praetorians scions and everything else chasing and shooting you.
Easy mode or not it's still platinum. It will still make a player who doesn't know what they're doing drop on their knees and beg for mercy.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Hahaha. BSN, never change!

OOh Mister Tobi laugh on BSN...I've never see that....

[_sigge_]

So what if you dont have a maxed manifest? Use biotics on silver till you get a decent shotgun. Hell, even the Carnifex holds its own in Gold if you use a class with good debuffs and be or te. Sitting in a box is not ok. Biower should have fixed this and condor Long ago.

[Shadow Storm]

_sigge_ wrote...

So what if you dont have a maxed manifest? Use biotics on silver till you get a decent shotgun. Hell, even the Carnifex holds its own in Gold if you use a class with good debuffs and be or te. Sitting in a box is not ok. Biower should have fixed this and condor Long ago.

No-one said anything about having a maxed manifest and on that point where do you imagine a low N7 will pick up a descent gun or learn the virtues of biotics on that point. Biotics is NOT a replacement for a descent gun nor is knowledge of how to use it set in all newer gamers. You learn through experiencing the game and gain confidence through gameplay up to the point they feel ready to leave the box. Though i wonder what makes you think you have the right to come into another persons game and tell them that camping in the box is not right which comes back to my original statemtent! LEAVE AND FIND A GAME YOU DO LIKE!

[Untonic]

doozerdude wrote...

Why? I really don't get it...

WAAAAH STORE SUCKS IMA KILL MYSELF

WTF FARMING THATS SO CHEAP

One or the other BSN

QFT

[_sigge_]

Jesus. That was probably the dumbest statement so far on BSN. Sit in your box of shame then, until bio gets its act together and fixes broken maps like Rio.

[Shadow Storm]

_sigge_ wrote...

Jesus. That was probably the dumbest statement so far on BSN. Sit in your box of shame then, until bio gets its act together and fixes broken maps like Rio.

To clarify i do not sit in the box and i rarely do Rio. I join random games and play as i wish to play so should you. By the way you put down those who do decide to use it i imagine you should also be able to back yourself up perfectly well. In all seriousness the last time i played a random game with camping Rio players i roamed and sniped as usual and that was a few months ago. It surely isn't that hard to find a team that is not doing Rio is it?

Modifié par Raiden Storm, 06 janvier 2013 - 10:19 .

[Hellsteeth30]

No. Let's not have Biower make another map pointless.

It's the only place where cover is relevant now........*shields up*

[Podboq]

Just put a box in the room.
I'd really love that.

It's so hard for me to play platinum pugs. 90% of matches are reapers rio.
I have to be very lucky to get the last 10%, and then I have to be even more lucky to not have heaps of lag in that game.

[Podboq]

Raiden Storm wrote...

_sigge_ wrote...

Jesus. That was probably the dumbest statement so far on BSN. Sit in your box of shame then, until bio gets its act together and fixes broken maps like Rio.

To clarify i do not sit in the box and i rarely do Rio. I join random games and play as i wish to play so should you. By the way you put down those who do decide to use it i imagine you should also be able to back yourself up perfectly well. In all seriousness the last time i played a random game with camping Rio players i roamed and sniped as usual and that was a few months ago. It surely isn't that hard to find a team that is not doing Rio is it?

I'm not speaking for or agreeing with the guy you're responding to but;

Yes. Yes it is that hard. Almost every platinum pug I join is reapers rio, I hate it.
I really hope bioware does something about it.

[NewStrings]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

For god's sake, this is basic tactics, people.

You always strive to fight your enemies on your terms. If you're good at CQC, you try to force the enemy into situations where your advantage is the greatest. If you're bad at CQC, you endeavor to engage from a distance. If enemies outnumber you and attack in a big horde, try to direct them into a narrow defile or enclosed space, such that their numbers work against them.

Only in the ME3 universe could these basic tenets of combat strategy be routinely circumvented:

We can't take cover in what's obstenibly supposed to be a cover-based shooter because we have at least 1 major "cover-killer" or cover-ignoring unit in each faction, as well as (usually) several which can decide, at any given moment, if your cover is going to apply or not. If you take cover in most areas, you're actually hindering yourself. Meanwhile, the game still uses this cover system for absolutely everything, including several weapons that function with reduced capability if used outside of cover. I choose to note with some dismay that there's been no drive to fix that.

We can't direct enemies into favorable locations for us, because some players find doing that "cheap," and so we have to lose favorable terrain like... Rooms with no exits. Because those were such absolute critical importance that we had to remove them. Oh, and anywhere we could potentially funnel enemies into a specific vector, because god help us if we could control the flow of a battle in any way, shape, or form.

And if people somehow do find some bit of terrain that they can hold and offers a tactically-superior position? NERF. NERF NERFITTY NERF NERF NERF.

No war was won without taking stock of an enemy's weakness, but it seems Bioware doesn't want us using common sense or grasp of tactics in a combat situation. No, dealing with people fighting effectively is just that important. Better to just nerf map layouts and complain about people using any advantage they can get their hands on, since that's what leads to them buying more magic space points, amirite?

Really? Basic tactics? No. No, no, no. There is nothing whatsoever that is tactical about everyone crowding into a box so they can be killed all in one place with no escape. The only reason that works is because you're exploiting a trick. It is not tactical. Tactical is mking good use of terrain, cover and a good team. Rio, for example. If you use that end of the map (NOT the box) you can have two snipers at the back preventing spawns and taking out bombers, dragoons, rocket troopers and ravagars from a distance, and two biotics or tanks at the front, meeting the physical attack and taking out stragglers. THAT is tactics.

Sitting in a box where, in reality, you would be massacred in seconds, is not tactics. It's just cheap and pathetic, and generally is a sign of players in the wrong difficulty.

I have had no problem with using tactics in this game. If I get overrun by a bomber, it's my fault for not spotting it and shooting it earlier.

Modifié par NewStrings, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:18 .

[LoonySpectre]

If the issue is "not wanting to play RRP PUGs", then the possible remedy is a "NOT" button I proposed some time ago (and someone else before me did, too), that allows us to exclude certain maps/enemies while searching for lobbies.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:21 .

[FlowCytometry]

Rio is such a god-awful map, imo, even if not using the box of lolbanshees! and its convenient location and ammo crate. It doesn't bug me now cause I dun care much for Plat to begin w/, but it does suck for puggers that do. Never like playing on this map, no matter the setup (the fact that it caused some PC users like me to randomly crash off-host when it was release is just icing on the crap cake).

But its just like w/ WGG_P when it was all the rage; finding a non-farm random back then SUCKED! Even if you searched for a diff faction or map many times it'd put you in a farm lobby anyway because that's all most players were doing. Finding non-farm lobbies or filling up non-farm lobbies simply took too long. Thankfully, BW fixed that and now searching for non-farm gold randoms isn't a chore (that and they made FBW much cooler a map).

Rio plat farming isn't even that efficient, tbh, considering the horrible map layout and objectives. Ofc humans are creatures of habit even against our better judgement and farmers will find something else to latch onto, but if the fix means less players not fit for Platinum wasting other player's time and less farmers attempting Plat, then I'd rather they 'fix' than keep w/ the status quo.

Keeping the latest farming trend around cause the store sucks is an excuse, not a justification- two wrongs dun make a right. Anyways, its naive and untested to assume that a better store would stop most farming- I dun see BW changing their stance here.. though it'd be nice this late in the game if they did, not for the sake of farming as much as making the store less random.

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:26 .

[joker_jack]

Thing is farming will not end. There will be no brainer setups even if rio is burned out. There is no changing that. Best thing to do is host or play something else. This mp isn't exactly going to be here too much longer.