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[wwwwowwww]

Also as for xp/leveling, I think you can easily enough level up through a few exploits in the game if you really wanted too.

[RoudyRogue]

Ok, but if you're being super mean, why aren't you being super mean to everything. For example, KILL EVERYTHING, including demons. OR, if you're keeping demons alive, do the pact with Morrigan but just make sure to tell her she's a ****.

[RoudyRogue]

amrose2 wrote...

I'm in the middle of doing a 'evil' playthrough right now as well. I came into this thread thinking it was making fun of the 'evil' pathline, cause while there are a few evil options like killing, most of the time I feel like there isn't an evil choice and instead you just have to be grumpy about it.

I guess I was spoiled by the pure evil options there were in KoTOR hehe

So far my only favorite 'evil' moment was the Redcliffe solution, I abandoned the town after killing the blacksmith and most of the militia people you can recruit. I really wanted to make Isolde suffer, can't stand that woman, so instead of killing her for the ritual I killed Connor. Knocking out Isolde was hilarious.

I'm sorry if I double posted but I saw this and had to agree. I played once through as a person who wanted the "good outcome"  and still just HAD to kill isolde.

[RoudyRogue]

Personally, I think siding with Harrowmont would be more mean. Harrowmont intends to make the caste system more rigid which would further disenfranchise the casteless and at the same time Bhelen wants to create things more equally. Also, many suspect Bhelin to have killed his brother so putting someone into the throne that killed his own brother would be kinda mean. The only thing that makes Harrowmont nice is that King Endrin wanted him too.

[bas273]

Some suggestions ^^



- Betray Jowan in the Mage Origin story.

- Kill the Spirit of Valor in the Mage Origin story.

- Kill Brother Genitivi

- Kill Lloyd (Redcliffe Tavern)

[Kalfear]

RoudyRogue wrote...

Personally, I think siding with Harrowmont would be more mean. Harrowmont intends to make the caste system more rigid which would further disenfranchise the casteless and at the same time Bhelen wants to create things more equally. Also, many suspect Bhelin to have killed his brother so putting someone into the throne that killed his own brother would be kinda mean. The only thing that makes Harrowmont nice is that King Endrin wanted him too.

Thats my biggest complaint with Dragon Age:Origins. The Dwarf story!

Harrowmont is clearly protrayed as the "GOOD" choice. Doubly so if you actually play the Dwarf noble storyline. But his ideas and plans for the dwarf nation are backwards and short sighted while Bhelen is protrayed as a blood Thirsty Tyrant, yet his ideas for the Dwarf nation are founded in well planned and well thought out practices to carry the Dwarf nation forward.

With how Bhelen tricks you to get the throne and kills his father and yada yada yada, if anyone it should be him that wants the privlige of royalty and classes to continue when he takes the throne.

I have very few complaints with DA:O but this was one of them. Its like they got the finish mixed up and backwards at release.

[Selej]

What is this fade demon in the deep roads you speak of?

[Majordribble]

Selej wrote...

What is this fade demon in the deep roads you speak of?

you find pieces of a quest item in the deep road and you can take them to a alter in the deep roads to unleash a demon whom you can then set free for gold or kill.

[kyohei021]

anyone know how to get the option to kill elven messagern in ostagar i think my cunning is to high and because i only get the persuade (lie) option for the sword and the deliever a letter to loghain

[Lord Phoebus]

Kalfear wrote...

RoudyRogue wrote...

Personally, I think siding with Harrowmont would be more mean. Harrowmont intends to make the caste system more rigid which would further disenfranchise the casteless and at the same time Bhelen wants to create things more equally. Also, many suspect Bhelin to have killed his brother so putting someone into the throne that killed his own brother would be kinda mean. The only thing that makes Harrowmont nice is that King Endrin wanted him too.

Thats my biggest complaint with Dragon Age:Origins. The Dwarf story!

Harrowmont is clearly protrayed as the "GOOD" choice. Doubly so if you actually play the Dwarf noble storyline. But his ideas and plans for the dwarf nation are backwards and short sighted while Bhelen is protrayed as a blood Thirsty Tyrant, yet his ideas for the Dwarf nation are founded in well planned and well thought out practices to carry the Dwarf nation forward.

With how Bhelen tricks you to get the throne and kills his father and yada yada yada, if anyone it should be him that wants the privlige of royalty and classes to continue when he takes the throne.

I have very few complaints with DA:O but this was one of them. Its like they got the finish mixed up and backwards at release.

I thought it was one of the good things about DA:O but they handled it badly.  Many of the reformers of history (Octavius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte) weren't very nice people.  Bhelen will help Orzammar, he wants to retake lost territory and is willing to integrate the casteless into his army to do that.  He's probably doing it because he will recover riches from those lost thaigs and having the support of the lower castes gives him a power base to draw from against the other nobles if they move against him.  He's doing good things for the wrong reason.  However the game doesn't ever explore that duality or question whether it's justified and just hints at it in the end game.

[XOGHunter246]

Also sleep with the one of the Dalish elves and tell Cammen and that lady with the halla ****** her of. Steal from the elves as well. Also build a romance with one or more of companions then break their heart and ****** them off. Take the ****** out of Alistair being a virgin and tell him he would make a crap king Just put him down at every given chance like when he speak about Duncan. 

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 11 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[ejoslin]

Kalfear wrote...

RoudyRogue wrote...

Personally, I think siding with Harrowmont would be more mean. Harrowmont intends to make the caste system more rigid which would further disenfranchise the casteless and at the same time Bhelen wants to create things more equally. Also, many suspect Bhelin to have killed his brother so putting someone into the throne that killed his own brother would be kinda mean. The only thing that makes Harrowmont nice is that King Endrin wanted him too.

Thats my biggest complaint with Dragon Age:Origins. The Dwarf story!

Harrowmont is clearly protrayed as the "GOOD" choice. Doubly so if you actually play the Dwarf noble storyline. But his ideas and plans for the dwarf nation are backwards and short sighted while Bhelen is protrayed as a blood Thirsty Tyrant, yet his ideas for the Dwarf nation are founded in well planned and well thought out practices to carry the Dwarf nation forward.

With how Bhelen tricks you to get the throne and kills his father and yada yada yada, if anyone it should be him that wants the privlige of royalty and classes to continue when he takes the throne.

I have very few complaints with DA:O but this was one of them. Its like they got the finish mixed up and backwards at release.

Actually, i disagree that Harrowmont is portrayed as the "good choice," for king.  If you play dwarf noble origin, you can get an inkling of how weak he is. After all, who manages to sway the assembly against you?  So you know who is the stronger leader.  And when you go into Orzammar for the first time as something other than a dwarf, you see Harrowmont run away from Bhelen.  NOW, this all depends on what qualities you want in a king, as well.  When you talk to people, you see that Harrowmont will continue to uphold the current system while Bhelen will upset things.

So you see the choice between a strong leader who can back himself up, or a weak but kind man who doesn't want to upset a corrupt system.  It takes a different view of what is right and wrong.  

[Kalfear]

ejoslin wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

RoudyRogue wrote...

Personally, I think siding with Harrowmont would be more mean. Harrowmont intends to make the caste system more rigid which would further disenfranchise the casteless and at the same time Bhelen wants to create things more equally. Also, many suspect Bhelin to have killed his brother so putting someone into the throne that killed his own brother would be kinda mean. The only thing that makes Harrowmont nice is that King Endrin wanted him too.

Thats my biggest complaint with Dragon Age:Origins. The Dwarf story!

Harrowmont is clearly protrayed as the "GOOD" choice. Doubly so if you actually play the Dwarf noble storyline. But his ideas and plans for the dwarf nation are backwards and short sighted while Bhelen is protrayed as a blood Thirsty Tyrant, yet his ideas for the Dwarf nation are founded in well planned and well thought out practices to carry the Dwarf nation forward.

With how Bhelen tricks you to get the throne and kills his father and yada yada yada, if anyone it should be him that wants the privlige of royalty and classes to continue when he takes the throne.

I have very few complaints with DA:O but this was one of them. Its like they got the finish mixed up and backwards at release.

Actually, i disagree that Harrowmont is portrayed as the "good choice," for king.  If you play dwarf noble origin, you can get an inkling of how weak he is. After all, who manages to sway the assembly against you?  So you know who is the stronger leader.  And when you go into Orzammar for the first time as something other than a dwarf, you see Harrowmont run away from Bhelen.  NOW, this all depends on what qualities you want in a king, as well.  When you talk to people, you see that Harrowmont will continue to uphold the current system while Bhelen will upset things.

So you see the choice between a strong leader who can back himself up, or a weak but kind man who doesn't want to upset a corrupt system.  It takes a different view of what is right and wrong.  

That doesnt prove anything.Harrowmonts not a warrior, we all knew that so fo course he doesnt engage in open warfare!

The fact he doesnt makes him the GOOD CHOICE btw and Bhelen the EVIL CHOICE.

And as a diff poster said already, no you dont get that idea about either of them. ONE merchant says Bhelen will open trade for him but that merchants not a particularly nice guy either, hardly conclusive proof on how either will govern.

Soory but your entire post is nothing but after the fact knowledge twisted to sound like you know this stuff before hand, you dont.

[Acid Wire]

Why not kill all the mages in the tower? That would be the mean way to do it... is it because you can't kill the templars afterwards?

[Creature 1]

Kalfear wrote...
The fact he doesnt makes him the GOOD CHOICE btw and Bhelen the EVIL CHOICE.

How does that work?  Someone who is personally evil may make a great leader (Vetinari FTW) and someone who is good may make a really lousy leader (Alistair).  Basing decisions on leaders just on their personal morality isn't a comprehensive way of choosing. 

My first character picked Harrowmont because she found the papers were forged and didn't appreciate being played.  My other characters so far have picked Bhelen because Zevran said to. 

Really from what I've seen there's not much to say which would be a better leader. 

[Ygolnac]

mhhh, it seems it's not easy to say wich of the two dwarven king is meanier. Probably most meanier thing is harrowmont. eliminating belhen u have a less stronger opponent after the blight and even if harrowmont is a better person orzammar will have much more troubles with him as king.

Soon i'll update the main thread with all your suggestions!!!

For the romance meaningness, i think it's easier just to kill zevran, ignore leliana and stick with morrigan.

And first time u go to the oearl just remeber to leave morrigan at camp... she will never know, i guarantee (already did in first walkthrough )

Modifié par Ygolnac, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:51 .

[Ygolnac]

ok, updated the first post

[fantasypisces]

In regards to Bhelen Harrowmont, yes Bhelen kills/frames his two brothers, but I always got the impression that Harrowmont poisoned King Endrin. So they are both bad people.



You can see this if you put Harrowmont on the throne and save the anvil, he begins raiding the surface for humans and elves to enslave as Golems. Bhelen doesn't do that.



So both are corrupt. And if both are corrupt, you want the stronger leader, so you go for Bhelen. So yes, for an evil "mr. nasty" playthrough I would side with harrowmont.

[IPerrin]

this list of very mean actions might be interesting for this type of playthrough

Http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/521217/1

[ddrpanda]

Very mean indeed. But do try and put a bit more effort into grammar and spelling, that hurt to read.

[Abriael_CG]

Paint me quite disgusted. I honestly wonder why someone would feel the need to completely ruin the story of this game with such trivialities, but to each their own, I guess.

[Costin_Razvan]

Let me get one thing straight, you leave the Dog to command the defenses at the gate? That is laughable



P.S. You said Redcliff Knights? So I take you get two of them at the Final Battle if you have no other companions?

[Selej]

Majordribble wrote...

Selej wrote...

What is this fade demon in the deep roads you speak of?

you find pieces of a quest item in the deep road and you can take them to a alter in the deep roads to unleash a demon whom you can then set free for gold or kill.

What's the name of this quest? I don't even recall ever hearing about it

[Sunthas]

Selej wrote...

Majordribble wrote...

Selej wrote...

What is this fade demon in the deep roads you speak of?

you find pieces of a quest item in the deep road and you can take them to a alter in the deep roads to unleash a demon whom you can then set free for gold or kill.

What's the name of this quest? I don't even recall ever hearing about it

Asunder   

[MurkyMajare]

"Then go to the circle, pick up wynne, don't use the lithany and make uldred kill irving, after the final battle wynne will tell gregoir you are a blood mage and you will admit that (don't forget to buy as many lyrium as you can afford before), then kill wynne and all the templar: result: there's no mage and no templar left in the tower and you killed wynne as well. You will get neither templar or mage army."





How can I make this happen?

I do not get Wynne's accusation against me at all.