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[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Slim chance better then no chance. You're missing the fact here that you have no way to beat them outside of the crucible.

Because no one tries. We gave up after one hour. "Nope, the flying to meet them tactic didn't work, guess we lost unless we find some badly thought up and executed plot device to save the day!"

There clearly is no other way to beat an armada that's lowest number of ship types massivley out number their entire fleet. There is no way to win conventionally. Ituse the crucible or lose quickly or slowly.

[The Night Mammoth]

Genetic Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Then you clearly don'tundestand Turian phylosophy. Any way to victory they take it. Evidence does not matter, stopping the reapers does...And a slim chance is better then no chance. That's common sense.


No one in your crew is going down the same road as  hubris as you and it's clear everyone in the topic understandsthat.

Agreed. Turians are taught from infancy that as long as one survives the fight was worth it.

It's made quite clear that Garrus isn't your typical turian. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 06 janvier 2013 - 06:01 .

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
There clearly is no other way to beat an armada that's lowest number of ship types massivley out number their entire fleet. There is no way to win conventionally. Ituse the crucible or lose quickly or slowly.

No one ever mentions Reaper ship numbers. Ever. The hardest data is about 300 confirmed.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry. Did he not have the belief the true geht should build there own future and not use reaper tech?
Did he not later found out that not using reaper tech to advance his race would lead to their enslavement and comprimise his beliefs to save his people?

That is not a comprimise?

I edited my post. This is no longer relevant. 

It still relivent. Thegeht are not going to let themselve die out of pride. And the point is Legion would not pick refuse. They would pick control . They would pick anything that would not lead to their enslavement and/or death as a race.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
There clearly is no other way to beat an armada that's lowest number of ship types massivley out number their entire fleet. There is no way to win conventionally. Ituse the crucible or lose quickly or slowly.

No one ever mentions Reaper ship numbers. Ever. The hardest data is about 300 confirmed.

1. In way more then 300.

2.Sovergin:Our number will darken the sky on every world.

3.http://masseffect.wi...Reaper_Variants
* DESTROYERS are 160 meters long and, in astounding numbers, make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet. They engage cruisers and other, smaller ships, as well as communications posts and enemy command centers. Research suggests destroyers are created from those species that are not harvested to make capital ships.

300 is no astounding numbers

You can't say the reapers number don't dwarf ours.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Genetic Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Then you clearly don'tundestand Turian phylosophy. Any way to victory they take it. Evidence does not matter, stopping the reapers does...And a slim chance is better then no chance. That's common sense.


No one in your crew is going down the same road as  hubris as you and it's clear everyone in the topic understandsthat.

Agreed. Turians are taught from infancy that as long as one survives the fight was worth it.

It's made quite clear that Garrus isn't your typical turian. 

It' smade clear that he still fallow most of the truian mind set in his loyalty mission and his comments on ruthless calculus.

He's not walking down the road of huberis you're going.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
It still relivent. Thegeht are not going to let themselve die out of pride.

Who said anything about pride?

And the point is Legion would not pick refuse. They would pick control . They would pick anything that would not lead to their enslavement and/or death as a race.

So why not Synthesis? Why would they do to the Reapers what the Reapers did to them, something they think was a big mistake that they wanted to stop?

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
It' smade clear that he still fallow most of the truian mind set in his loyalty mission and his comments on ruthless calculus.

Something he has a very hard time dealing with and doesn't argue with Shepard too much if you disagree. 

He's not walking down the road of huberis you're going.

What road of hubris am I walking down? 

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. In way more then 300.

2.Sovergin:Our number will darken the sky on every world.

3.http://masseffect.wi...Reaper_Variants
* DESTROYERS are 160 meters long and, in astounding numbers, make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet. They engage cruisers and other, smaller ships, as well as communications posts and enemy command centers. Research suggests destroyers are created from those species that are not harvested to make capital ships.

300 is no astounding numbers

You can't say the reapers number don't dwarf ours.

Sovereign never said "all at the same time". Considering Reapers normally lock down relay travel, they could simply move from planet to planet, several at a time.

300 odd capitals and some number of pesky but inconsequential Destroyers would be more than enough to be troublesome for morons, but not morons who eventually learn. Guess what, no one ever learned except Shepard, and even then he didn't share those details.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It still relivent. Thegeht are not going to let themselve die out of pride.

Who said anything about pride?

And the point is Legion would not pick refuse. They would pick control . They would pick anything that would not lead to their enslavement and/or death as a race.

So why not Synthesis? Why would they do to the Reapers what the Reapers did to them, something they think was a big mistake that they wanted to stop?

1.Not using the crusible out of prinsiple is an issue of pride.
Logic would indicate a slime chance over no chance.

2.It 'san issue of sevival. Control let's them continue to exsist as they are. It like them taking back the heritics. Synthesis has too much the question of losing some self determainsum

[Mcfly616]

I think the squadmates would've supported Shepard, no matter what choice he made.

[Trigunvts]

Just a thought. I don't think EDI and Legion would even be able to pick synthesis as glowkid states it requires an organic if I am not mistaken.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. In way more then 300.

2.Sovergin:Our number will darken the sky on every world.

3.http://masseffect.wi...Reaper_Variants
* DESTROYERS are 160 meters long and, in astounding numbers, make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet. They engage cruisers and other, smaller ships, as well as communications posts and enemy command centers. Research suggests destroyers are created from those species that are not harvested to make capital ships.

300 is no astounding numbers

You can't say the reapers number don't dwarf ours.

Sovereign never said "all at the same time". Considering Reapers normally lock down relay travel, they could simply move from planet to planet, several at a time.

300 odd capitals and some number of pesky but inconsequential Destroyers would be more than enough to be troublesome for morons, but not morons who eventually learn. Guess what, no one ever learned except Shepard, and even then he didn't share those details.

1. It was well stated in the the reapers were massing in majority around earth. Added,that still means conventional victory isnot possible being the if the force we faced on earth was a fraction and we lostthe mass majority of the allied fleet, that means wecan't take the rest of the reaper fleet.

2. It;s not 300 capital ships ether. At most iT'S up to 20000. Anything less would be in the 10000's.

3.The reapers are highly adaptible. That is a major issue with the allied forces.....http://masseffect.wi...thrallment_Team
A mixed-species team of special-operations soldiers have volunteered to covertly deliver Leviathan artifacts behind enemy lines. These attacks aim to make Reaper creatures thralls of the Leviathans. On a small scale, this could cause chaos and disruption. On a large scale--and if given enough time--it could form an army of Reaper creatures dedicated to exterminating their own kind. The team's major limiting factors are the small number of artifacts and the reluctance of Alliance commanders to operate openly with such a potent weapon for fear the Reapers might develop a countermeasure.

The turians learnedthisthe hard way in the battle of palvin.

[dreman9999]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the squadmates would've supported Shepard, no matter what choice he made.

Not refuse. That would be the last straw.

[Mcfly616]

Shepard had to make the choice. He was the only one that could've.

[dreman9999]

Trigunvts wrote...

Just a thought. I don't think EDI and Legion would even be able to pick synthesis as glowkid states it requires an organic if I am not mistaken.

Good point.

[dreman9999]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard had to make the choice. He was the only one that could've.

He was the only one there. I don't think anyone would be happy if their leader comdemed everyone in the galexy , their races , friend and family to death.

Refuse would be the last straw.

[Mcfly616]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the squadmates would've supported Shepard, no matter what choice he made.

Not refuse. That would be the last straw.

I don't consider Refuse to be one of the "choices"

[dreman9999]

Mcfly616 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the squadmates would've supported Shepard, no matter what choice he made.

Not refuse. That would be the last straw.

I don't consider Refuse to be one of the "choices"

Good.

[clennon8]

Mordin would never ever ever pick Synthesis. That's just laughable. I know Ieldra likes to coopt the Salarians as Synthesis allies, but I think that's garbage.  Even if he's right, Mordin would be an exception.  There is no way in Hades that guy would pick Synthesis.  Neither would EDI. Frankly, none of them would. Maybe Legion, if he were still around. I could see a couple of them picking Control, though. Liara.

Modifié par clennon8, 06 janvier 2013 - 06:30 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard had to make the choice. He was the only one that could've.

Because....? Shepard wouldn't have made it if the Catalyst didn't bring him up.

[Mcfly616]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard had to make the choice. He was the only one that could've.

He was the only one there. I don't think anyone would be happy if their leader comdemed everyone in the galexy , their races , friend and family to death.

Refuse would be the last straw.

I'm simply stating it was his destiny. No one else's. Stop trying to crap on Refuse. As I've already stated, I don't consider it as a "choice". Seeing as how you're Refusing to choose, I'm not referring to it when I say the squad would've supported Shepard's choices. The whole point of why I think they'd support the choices the Crucible presents is because they are the only way to beat the Reapers. Obviously Refuse doesn't do that, so they would not support it.

[dreman9999]

Mcfly616 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard had to make the choice. He was the only one that could've.

He was the only one there. I don't think anyone would be happy if their leader comdemed everyone in the galexy , their races , friend and family to death.

Refuse would be the last straw.

I'm simply stating it was his destiny. No one else's. Stop trying to crap on Refuse. As I've already stated, I don't consider it as a "choice". Seeing as how you're Refusing to choose, I'm not referring to it when I say the squad would've supported Shepard's choices. The whole point of why I think they'd support the choices the Crucible presents is because they are the only way to beat the Reapers. Obviously Refuse doesn't do that, so they would not support it.

Ignore my comment. I made it before you responed to my last one.

[dreman9999]

clennon8 wrote...

Mordin would never ever ever pick Synthesis. That's just laughable. I know Ieldra likes to coopt the Salarians as Synthesis allies, but I think that's garbage.  Even if he's right, Mordin would be an exception.  There is no way in Hades that guy would pick Synthesis.  Neither would EDI. Frankly, none of them would. Maybe Legion, if he were still around. I could see a couple of them picking Control, though. Liara.

I don't see any reason why he would not pick it.

[Dr_Extrem]

clennon8 wrote...

Mordin would never ever ever pick Synthesis. That's just laughable. I know Ieldra likes to coopt the Salarians as Synthesis allies, but I think that's garbage.  Even if he's right, Mordin would be an exception.  There is no way in Hades that guy would pick Synthesis.  Neither would EDI. Frankly, none of them would. Maybe Legion, if he were still around. I could see a couple of them picking Control, though. Liara.

liara would never pick control ... not after what happened on thessia.

why would she pick control in the first place? .. because she became the shadow broker?