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[ISpeakTheTruth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Wow so every Dwarf in Thedas that left their underground kingdoms starved or became indebt to humans? Well gee we better go tell the dwarves that have thriving buisnesses, families, ect. around Thedas that their lot in life is horrible because they aren't underground.

That's only the lucky ones who didn't die in the Deep Roads or were born on the surface hell very few Dwarves seem to actually leave of they're own choice.

Right there what was the last sentence you said? Choice just because few decide to leave on there own doesn't mean they don't have the ability. They fear the unknown just like us but if they want to they can leave and try their luck. Maybe it goes well for them maybe it doesn't but they have a choice in their lives do I stay underground or do I go up? You had surface dwarves who are able to go freely back and forth between the surface and underground so if a dwarf is curious they can talk to them ask how things are and make an informed choice.

[Shadow Fox]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Wow so every Dwarf in Thedas that left their underground kingdoms starved or became indebt to humans? Well gee we better go tell the dwarves that have thriving buisnesses, families, ect. around Thedas that their lot in life is horrible because they aren't underground.

That's only the lucky ones who didn't die in the Deep Roads or were born on the surface hell very few Dwarves seem to actually leave of they're own choice.

Right there what was the last sentence you said? Choice just because few decide to leave on there own doesn't mean they don't have the ability. They fear the unknown just like us but if they want to they can leave and try their luck. Maybe it goes well for them maybe it doesn't but they have a choice in their lives do I stay underground or do I go up? You had surface dwarves who are able to go freely back and forth between the surface and underground so if a dwarf is curious they can talk to them ask how things are and make an informed choice.

mages can also choose to leave they'll just have avoid Templars for the rest of they're lives.

[LobselVith8]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Maybe mage hawke or mage warden.

I imagine the Hero of Ferelden who asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence would be sought out by some mages (hypothetically), since this person is a national hero who has lead an army before. As for (pro-mage) apostate Hawke, we have Anders telling Hawke that he is the leader the mages have been waiting for. I think there would likely be multiple mage leaders who are leading a myriad of mage groups across the continent.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Wow so every Dwarf in Thedas that left their underground kingdoms starved or became indebt to humans? Well gee we better go tell the dwarves that have thriving buisnesses, families, ect. around Thedas that their lot in life is horrible because they aren't underground.

That's only the lucky ones who didn't die in the Deep Roads or were born on the surface hell very few Dwarves seem to actually leave of they're own choice.

Right there what was the last sentence you said? Choice just because few decide to leave on there own doesn't mean they don't have the ability. They fear the unknown just like us but if they want to they can leave and try their luck. Maybe it goes well for them maybe it doesn't but they have a choice in their lives do I stay underground or do I go up? You had surface dwarves who are able to go freely back and forth between the surface and underground so if a dwarf is curious they can talk to them ask how things are and make an informed choice.

mages can also choose to leave they'll just have avoid Templars for the rest of they're lives.

Why would we mages need to run for our lives from a group of people we're going to destroy? Silly normal people we are your betters. It is our place to be above you, its nothing cruel or personal. We're simply more evolved than you.

[Daerog]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...


They would be just like everyone else...with the caveat of having an immensely valuable inborn talent.

Of becoming murdering, ravenous abominations if they are not carefully trained.

Who would want to do business with them? They would have to group up and train themselves, like the Collective, but then they would have to pool resources with the mages who are very poor and the few who are well off (if the well off even want to help fellow mages), and even then they wouldn't be as well off since they will no longer have the free boarding and financial security the Chantry can give.

I see very poor mages being viewed as extremely dangerous as they are the least likely to find proper training, and there will be impoverished mages as there is no current system that can help organize and regulate mages on the scale the Circle could while being funded by the Chantry.

Just speculation and ranting on my part.

[lil yonce]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Not to mention all the mage children. I would recommend those not fighting (or wishing to fight) to flee to the Chantry and request Divine Justinia V for protection... or if there is a sympathetic monarch, like King Alistair (if he is king in your canon), then to that nation. Avoid Tevinter, nothing like vulnerable refugees to make into slaves. Maybe the Collective knows good safe houses for them.

Yes, they should abandon the battlefields ASAP.

Geez, maybe the mage kid isn't a good idea for a face now that I think of it. Go with Rhys or some good, well known mage who is still around or killed. Maybe mage hawke or mage warden.

My Mage!Hawke sided with the Templars in Kirkwall. I wonder what they'll think about that. Perhaps an Inquisitor Mage working with Seekers and Chantry higher-ups will also make Mages reconsider the war.

[Shadow Fox]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Wow so every Dwarf in Thedas that left their underground kingdoms starved or became indebt to humans? Well gee we better go tell the dwarves that have thriving buisnesses, families, ect. around Thedas that their lot in life is horrible because they aren't underground.

That's only the lucky ones who didn't die in the Deep Roads or were born on the surface hell very few Dwarves seem to actually leave of they're own choice.

Right there what was the last sentence you said? Choice just because few decide to leave on there own doesn't mean they don't have the ability. They fear the unknown just like us but if they want to they can leave and try their luck. Maybe it goes well for them maybe it doesn't but they have a choice in their lives do I stay underground or do I go up? You had surface dwarves who are able to go freely back and forth between the surface and underground so if a dwarf is curious they can talk to them ask how things are and make an informed choice.

mages can also choose to leave they'll just have avoid Templars for the rest of they're lives.

Why would we mages need to run for our lives from a group of people we're going to destroy? Silly normal people we are your betters. It is our place to be above you, its nothing cruel or personal. We're simply more evolved than you.

Don't make me Holy Smite your ass magey.

[Reikilea]

LobselVith8 wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Maybe mage hawke or mage warden.

I imagine the Hero of Ferelden who asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence would be sought out by some mages (hypothetically), since this person is a national hero who has lead an army before. As for (pro-mage) apostate Hawke, we have Anders telling Hawke that he is the leader the mages have been waiting for. I think there would likely be multiple mage leaders who are leading a myriad of mage groups across the continent.

In both DA:O and DA mage characters became my most favourite characters in the series. So I have two pro-mage heroes. I do want to see them fight in it, because they are perfect for it. I really want to see my warden and my Hawke taking thier stance in mages rebelion I do want to see that.  If this wasnt a game those two would be gladly leading it.

However they wont do it. I do not think Bioware can pull this off. Too complicated. The warden and Hawke wil be mentioned in like two sentences and entirely forgotten under the - he/she values privacy line. Or yes he/she is our contact in war , yeah she/he fights but for now he/she is in Antiva in Zevran´s bed doing things.  Or there will be a letter.

And because it somehow must be connected to the world Dragon age already presented (as everyone is familiar with this love for reusing old companions and characters) I think it will be someone new but with relation to old. Does Fiona have more sons? Irving? Orsino?

And since I am at it. What about some rebelion inside Tevinter imperium. Like Thalmor in Skyrim. Young ones that rebelled against the old and actually want to make change so the world wont see them as a menace...  This whole evil imperium focus is getting rather boring.

Everyone else can come back. Except the Warden and Hawke.

[In Exile]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

The problem with arguing that the tower is a comfortable place is that most mages could expect comfort in their lives no matter where they lived. They have a rare, valuable skill that would virtually guarantee them a steady income.

It's a superstituous world and lots of mages aren't particularly powerful and especially susceptible to demons. A small village might respect a healer, but someone who casts fireballs is either a mercenary (which is not a good life) or otherwise trying to violently impose his/her will on others.

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Right there what was the last sentence you said? Choice just because few decide to leave on there own doesn't mean they don't have the ability. 

If dwarves being exiled on the surface is a choice, then mages trying to be apostates is as much of a choice.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Right there what was the last sentence you said? Choice just because few decide to leave on there own doesn't mean they don't have the ability. 

If dwarves being exiled on the surface is a choice, then mages trying to be apostates is as much of a choice.

No, dwarves who decide to leave on their own have the choice to leave. If a dwarf wants to leave then they can, just because it hardly ever happens by choice doens't mean that the choice doesn't excist.

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote..
No, dwarves who decide to leave on their own have the choice to leave. If a dwarf wants to leave then they can, just because it hardly ever happens by choice doens't mean that the choice doesn't excist.

My point wasn't that it doesn't happen - it's that the option of abandoning your life, loved ones, and entire sense of self and society to survive on your own above ground without any relations isn't much of a "choice" unless your desperate, which isn't far removed from what Anders did every time he tried to swim away.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Anything but an Anders. An Anders will **** the story up.

[SeptimusMagistos]

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote..
No, dwarves who decide to leave on their own have the choice to leave. If a dwarf wants to leave then they can, just because it hardly ever happens by choice doens't mean that the choice doesn't excist.

My point wasn't that it doesn't happen - it's that the option of abandoning your life, loved ones, and entire sense of self and society to survive on your own above ground without any relations isn't much of a "choice" unless your desperate, which isn't far removed from what Anders did every time he tried to swim away.

See, the difference is that if a dwarf leaves, Orzammar doesn't send out a team to drag him back in chains.

[Reikilea]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Anything but an Anders. An Anders will **** the story up.

Its more like Anders actually resolved the story. The story was alredy quite messed up and then someone finally came and did something. 

(And no. Dont worry he wont be back, it nearly impossible to put him back into the story).

Modifié par Reikilea, 07 janvier 2013 - 05:18 .

[In Exile]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
See, the difference is that if a dwarf leaves, Orzammar doesn't send out a team to drag him back in chains.

The dwarf can't come back, though.

[Xilizhra]

Being completely reasonable is nice in some circumstances, but may not be suitable for a wartime leader. Someone centered and balanced, but utterly committed would be best, I believe.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

In Exile wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
See, the difference is that if a dwarf leaves, Orzammar doesn't send out a team to drag him back in chains.

The dwarf can't come back, though.

Except they can totally come back. There are surface dwarves who go back and forth between surface and Orzammar they just have to paint that castless mark on themselves. Also depending on who the king is surface dwarves are far more welcomed than they ever were.

[Shadow Fox]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote..
No, dwarves who decide to leave on their own have the choice to leave. If a dwarf wants to leave then they can, just because it hardly ever happens by choice doens't mean that the choice doesn't excist.

My point wasn't that it doesn't happen - it's that the option of abandoning your life, loved ones, and entire sense of self and society to survive on your own above ground without any relations isn't much of a "choice" unless your desperate, which isn't far removed from what Anders did every time he tried to swim away.

See, the difference is that if a dwarf leaves, Orzammar doesn't send out a team to drag him back in chains.

No they just see them as a tratior to they're own people.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote..
No, dwarves who decide to leave on their own have the choice to leave. If a dwarf wants to leave then they can, just because it hardly ever happens by choice doens't mean that the choice doesn't excist.

My point wasn't that it doesn't happen - it's that the option of abandoning your life, loved ones, and entire sense of self and society to survive on your own above ground without any relations isn't much of a "choice" unless your desperate, which isn't far removed from what Anders did every time he tried to swim away.

See, the difference is that if a dwarf leaves, Orzammar doesn't send out a team to drag him back in chains.

No they just see them as a tratior to they're own people.

Unless Bhelen's king in which case relations with surface dwarves improves massively

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Except they can totally come back. There are surface dwarves who go back and forth between surface and Orzammar they just have to paint that castless mark on themselves. Also depending on who the king is surface dwarves are far more welcomed than they ever were.

Are you kidding me? Have you seen what casteless are treated like!? 

[Sir JK]

Xilizhra wrote...

Being completely reasonable is nice in some circumstances, but may not be suitable for a wartime leader. Someone centered and balanced, but utterly committed would be best, I believe.

Would be best yes, it is also the kind if leader that would have difficulty making themselves heard in times of trouble.

The leader the mages is going to get is the most ruthless, politically backstabbing, vociferous and charismatic firebrand that can be found. The one that burns brightly for the fight and outshines the rest. Mostly because such people thrive in the circumstances that now happen. It's likely not going to be a Mandela, but a Marat or a Robespierre. Maker help any mage that disagrees.

It is going to be a few long hard years

[Chipaway111]

I like the suggestion of a Anders playing a wild card leader of a bunch of rag tag mages, a scene in my head immediately played out. The (lets call him the official rebellion leader) and the Inquisitor sitting down in a tent somewhere, then they hear shouting outside and not a second later Anders stalks into the tent looking livid (or what have you) and the official rebellion leader just sort of has a quiet "Ahhh crap" moment.

I vote Fiona, and chances are she will be the leader. I sort of picture her as reasonable, to a point, kind of person. I have only read Asunder so my experience with her character is limited.

[Eternal Phoenix]

 

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Modifié par Elton John is dead, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:45 .

[nightscrawl]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Something to get a discussion rolling, for the heck of it.

If the mage rebellion is to have a 'face', whether a nominal leader or leading figure to deal with the protagonist, what sort of person do you think they should be for a better story?

<SNIP>

Interesting topic, especially with the caveat of having it be the best type for the story and not necessarily the one we would prefer. I really don't have much to add beyond what you wrote, which I liked.

My main plays in DAO and DA2 are as a mage and I plan on the same for DA3. I prefer the more moderate stance with a strong emphasis on self-control and would call myself an Aequitarian.