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[Flashflame58]

Jake Boone wrote...

Flashflame58 wrote...

I like scarfs.

Any pattern in particular?

ALL THE KINDS.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The fact that so many have come at me with their agenda in this thread just proves the rightness of my cause.

I suggest you get off your high horse for once and realize this thread isn't centered around just you. 

[TheWerdna]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Yate wrote...

he's got it right

some of the people here are really sickening

Wow, if someone not liking a video game is 'sickening' to you, you must have a pretty low opinion of humanity.

Its not the people who dislike the game thats sickening, its those that act like imature children and go on personal attacks because they dislike the game. Contructive criticism is a great thing and NEEDS to exist; but a large number of poeple on the BSN have gone far past the realms of constructive criticism.

[Peranor]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

KotorEffect3:

>talks about negativity ruining the BSN
>calls people "smug bastards" and tells them to "go to hell"

No one does it quite like you, pal. You are one-of-a-kind.

This thread is great entertainment 

[Arcadian Legend]

legion999 wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Yeah, there's a reason why I hardly ever post in the ME and DA boards anymore, I just stick to Off Topic now. And while not necessarily a shining beacon itself, it's much, MUCH better behaved than these sections of BSN usually have been. This place ain't like it used to be. All this negativity just isn't healthy for a person.

Off-topic rules.

It sure does.

Flashflame58 wrote...

Jake Boone wrote...

Flashflame58 wrote...

I like scarfs.

Any pattern in particular?

ALL THE KINDS.

That'd be a hell of a scarf.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:07 .

[Dysjong]

legion999 wrote...

Dysjong wrote...

legion999 wrote...

**** YOU YOU SUCK.

well, atleast i tried.
Going back to my newest book "Elminster in myth drannor"

YOU DIDN'T TRY HARD ENOUGH MOTHER****ER! EXPLOSION NOISE!

and boom goes the dynamite

[3DandBeyond]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Holy ****e, calm down people. Lets engage in a BSN group hug!

Yeah, all that's been achieved here post-ME3 is that speculation for everyone has caused us all to turn on each other.  We all have loved these games and it's not fans that messed them up or didn't mess them up as the case may be-it's the devs.  That doesn't mean we need to heap hate on real people but rather can or should be able to discuss the content and the specific statements.  People basically are imperfect and will make mistakes.  Companies as we see are not people-they are corporate entities that exist to find ways to part us from our money.  People in these companies do need to remember they are people as do we.  And we must be gentler with each other as well.  None of us knows the real lives behind the profiles here.  To state what I stated elsewhere, an old Customer Service mantra-treat people as you'd treat your own grandmother, or mother, or sister, or brother.  Stop abusing each other like this.

[ObserverStatus]

lmao, I can't believe this thread is a reaction to a blog on the topic of this forum's toxic environment. I wonder what Mr. Gaider would think if he read this. XD

[clarkusdarkus]

ld1449 wrote...

No.

Truth be told. Its not just Mass Effect 3's disasterous ending that broke my trust. It was more Bioware's response to it.

And sure you Stan can preach up and down that we the fans don't know the whole process, don't realize this or that going on behind closed doors and all the factors that come in to the decisions and thus can't get the full picture.

Well whoop-dee-doo.

That still doesn't change a very simple truth, that when this game went gold we were flat out lied to. I know that the rachni promise came no earlier than December, four months before the game went out. Casey Hudson's promise on the endings and how widely varried they were came out in january.

I don't know what happened behind closed doors, I don't know the factors for decisions made I don't have the full picture.

And quite frankly, I don't care because 1 I'm never going to have that full picture, and 2 there was never any sort of apology for these statements after the game went GOLD. I don't expect every promise even in the alpha stage of development to be carried through and to be apologized to when it falls out for whatever reason but after the game goes Gold with just 3 months before the release is inexcusable.

Then during the three months before the extended cut release you have Chris Priestly doing polls on "do you believe in the Indoc. Theory" not doing anything to rectify people getting their hopes up for the IT. Not even a statement at the begining.

Another point where someone at Comic Conwas saying Gameplay elements are "most likely" going to be featured.

They screened questions at Comic Con

You have Merizian advertizing a world wide survey done by German fans on the ending only to discard the results which showed an overwhelming negativity/desire to cut the ending out, later when they supposedly didn't match up their own results (which they refused to release).

You then had Casey Hudson "interviewed" in house along with Mac walters in an interview that had NONE of the truly pertinent questions. Claiming that there was an "overwhelming" amount of people that did 'love' the endings.

So after you've given me a falsely advertized product, you hype the content up again, refuse to rectify the hype you've already built up, skirt away from fan questions at conventions, dismiss WORLD WIDE surveys that they advertize through twitter, Facebook, the BSN, Euro-gamer and IGN have an "in house" interview with soft ball questions and have the gall to lie practically to my face about how many people "loved" the ending? Even when they were hard wiring the extended cut content onto the Wii U versions to come with it automatically?

No. It wasn't the game that broke my trust. I could have forgiven that. I could have lived with that. Everybody makes mistakes we're all human.

It as the GROSS handling of the situation that broke my trust to the point I won't even buy DA3 whenever it arrives. and even if the game lives up to be EVERYTHING promised (which you and I both know it will not) I wont purchase it. At best I'll borrow it. Even if I play it and LOVE it. I STILL wont Purchase it. Even if I play it Love it, and the company mannages to get through the third game without royally ****ing it up I STILL wont purchase it.

For me personally, somewhere down this road a line was crossed. And that is a very sad truth since Bioware has made several games that I play to this day.

[Zardoc]

The BSN is one of the most tame places as far as ME community is concerned.

[xsdob]

"I imagine that can happen to any online community. Eventually the polite, reasonable folks stop feeling like it’s a group of people they want to hang around. So they leave, and those who remain start to see only those who agree with them— and, because that’s all they see, they think that’s all there is. Everyone feels as they do, according to them. Once the tipping point is passed, you’re left with the extremes… those who hate, and those who dislike the haters enough to endure the toxic atmosphere to try and combat them. Each clash between those groups drives more of the others away."

This right here sums up the entire bsn and what it is now.

Modifié par xsdob, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:08 .

[Epique Phael767]

bobobo878 wrote...

lmao, I can't believe this thread is a reaction to a blog on the topic of this forum's toxic environment. I wonder what Mr. Gaider would think if he read this. XD

He'd probably just laugh.

[legion999]

Gruntburner wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Nothing is wrong with it. It's not them being good however just a result of their buisness model.

But the way people seem to phrase it makes it seem like having a business model that works is an inherently negative quality.  But I don't that can really be helped.

It depends on perspective really. Some have no issue with it, others hate it.

Infact thinking about it I'm not sure I approve of micro-transactions in a game you've paid for already. Even if it is unlockable.

[solidsnake78]

Gruntburner wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

If that is true then I am all for microtransactions.  It doesn't hamper my experience by benefiting those with cash too much while at the same time allowing new content to be released for free.  But what is wrong with Bioware making money off of this?  They are a business, they make games to make money.  If they aren't making any money on the endeavor, I full expect them to stop supporting it.

Nothing is wrong with it. It's not them being good however just a result of their buisness model.

But the way people seem to phrase it makes it seem like having a business model that works is an inherently negative quality.  But I don't that can really be helped.

Its the same reason people dont take facebook games seriously (besides flash gameplay;)), they just hate the idea of MTs.

[crimzontearz]

essarr71 wrote...

Sith_exar_kun wrote...

I joined the community right from the beginning when they switched off from the old bioware site, the forums were (quite) clean and polite back then and after da1 we were all praising bioware for being really AWESOME.
Then came DA2 (And before it shipped a lot of us argued about the lack of steam support, then the game came out and I really think I should have left it at the shop). After it swtor (thank god I betatested It, I didn't waste money) And me3, I think that's their fault if we're toxic.

After reading the blog post this is exactly what I thought about.

He brings up perfectly valid points.  Its impossible to find a single thread in this section of the forum that doesn't get tainted by lingering negativity.  I don't blame him for avoiding it. However, if Bioware's recent track record was better this place would be better.

There will always be immature posters who make more noise than they should, but BSN is the result of YEARS of disappointed, enthusiastic Bioware fans.  Want to make your forums a better place?  Make a better product.

to be fair....a lot of people predicted DA2's shortcomings WAAAAY before release and they were constantly attacked.....I would know I was one of those people defending bioware back then

[KotorEffect3]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The fact that so many have come at me with their agenda in this thread just proves the rightness of my cause.

I suggest you get off your high horse for once and realize this thread isn't centered around just you. 

I am not that one that made it about me.  But when people come at me I will defend myself

[Epique Phael767]

legion999 wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Nothing is wrong with it. It's not them being good however just a result of their buisness model.

But the way people seem to phrase it makes it seem like having a business model that works is an inherently negative quality.  But I don't that can really be helped.

It depends on perspective really. Some have no issue with it, others hate it.

Infact thinking about it I'm not sure I approve of micro-transactions in a game you've paid for already. Even if it is unlockable.

I dislike how it's modelled after a Skinner Box.

[legion999]

bobobo878 wrote...

lmao, I can't believe this thread is a reaction to a blog on the topic of this forum's toxic environment. I wonder what Mr. Gaider would think if he read this. XD

Smile in smug satisfaction.

[Abraham_uk]

I am really bad a taking criticism. Really bad.
Even constructive critism, carefully sweatened to compensate for the bitter taste.


I get self conscious, and even when you've forgotten what the remark was, I never forget.
Sometimes years after the remark is made, I remember.


Bioware has recieved a lot of critism. Truck loads of critism. Mostly justified but sometimes some of it is just plain abuse.


If you're abusive towards staff. If you threaten to kill them because of the Mass Effect 3 endings you're going too far...

Also when you do come up with any critism, make sure it's constructive and try to present it in the most paletable way possible. Please no abusive remarks! I mean it!

If you feel like being mean towards anyone on the forums I will report you. Since joining BSN I've only used the report button 5 times (in nearly two years). I don't like reporting people and I even overlook really daft spam comments that should be reported.

[HiddenInWar]

3DandBeyond wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Holy ****e, calm down people. Lets engage in a BSN group hug!

Yeah, all that's been achieved here post-ME3 is that speculation for everyone has caused us all to turn on each other.  We all have loved these games and it's not fans that messed them up or didn't mess them up as the case may be-it's the devs.  That doesn't mean we need to heap hate on real people but rather can or should be able to discuss the content and the specific statements.  People basically are imperfect and will make mistakes.  Companies as we see are not people-they are corporate entities that exist to find ways to part us from our money.  People in these companies do need to remember they are people as do we.  And we must be gentler with each other as well.  None of us knows the real lives behind the profiles here.  To state what I stated elsewhere, an old Customer Service mantra-treat people as you'd treat your own grandmother, or mother, or sister, or brother.  Stop abusing each other like this.

+10

[wafflez]

Also, bloody hell this thread has blown up. I have to say, BSN is one of the most... "loud" forums I've ever been on. And this is coming from someone who's part of the Transformers fandom. O_o

[Volus Vagabond]

This is against my better judgement, but it such desperate times, I see no better option.

Post ponies.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The fact that so many have come at me with their agenda in this thread just proves the rightness of my cause.

I suggest you get off your high horse for once and realize this thread isn't centered around just you. 

I am not that one that made it about me.  But when people come at me I will defend myself

You kind of provoked them, dude.

[billy the squid]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The fact that so many have come at me with their agenda in this thread just proves the rightness of my cause.

I suggest you get off your high horse for once and realize this thread isn't centered around just you. 

I am not that one that made it about me.  But when people come at me I will defend myself

There's nothing to defend, and you think too much of yourself, check that ego. Everybody has pointed out what a massive hypocrite you are. You just made it so incredibly obvious in the way you kept attacking and insulting me. 

You Sir. Are the kind of person that David Gaider speaks of in his blog. You are the vitriolic, the obstinate and the hypocritical posters. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:14 .