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[legion999]

wafflez wrote...

Also, bloody hell this thread has blown up. I have to say, BSN is one of the most... "loud" forums I've ever been on. And this is coming from someone who's part of the Transformers fandom. O_o

I like it when a thread goes boom. There's no end to the ‘fun'.

[TheRealJayDee]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Also when you do come up with any critism, make sure it's constructive and try to present it in the most paletable way possible. Please no abusive remarks! I mean it!

If you feel like being mean towards anyone on the forums I will report you. Since joining BSN I've only used the report button 5 times (in nearly two years). I don't like reporting people and I even overlook really daft spam comments that should be reported.

Do not use the report button, PM a mod.

[Jadebaby]

3DandBeyond wrote...
Great points and yes, it is very important to keep things related to content and not to personality or threats of violence or ill intent.  I don't wish any of them harm at all and I never did, but I absolutely hate that they cast us all in that light.  Blogging about the BSN in such a negative light, saying it's toxic and all, makes us seem like a bunch of well, haters.  And I think that whole idea was always awful.  I don't hate people, I dislike a game ending, in effect a product.  I don't like how they've handled this whole situation and the blog is a representation of that.  They are fighting a proxy war against their own fanbase.  Not a good business strategy.  Don't lump us all into some category and especially don't characterize us as creating a toxic environment if you won't even meet us half way or at all.  I know he didn't work on ME, but in blogging he's taking part of that on.

It's like the blog is meant for everyone to say, "oh poor Bioware, what nasty fans."  Ok, no.  That's ridiculous.  If we do things wrong, well ban us, but then also make sure you live by the rules you created on this site and mete out punishment equally.  I've had a lot of people call me nasty names and have never seen them deal with that, but I've then seen others banned for far less egregious things. 

Again, I've modded dev sites and other fan sites and this is a ridiculous way to handle things.  Someone gets out of hand, deal with it, handle the problem, don't go and complain about it to other people.  Or, if you see that something is "toxic" then get involved and try to make it better, don't blog about it-that only can make it worse.  In short the fastest way to get someone to comment negatively about you is to comment negatively about them.  How does that clean up any toxicity on this site?

Stop using twitter and blogs to discuss fans as if they don't exist.  Stop using intermediaries to fight your battle and stop making it a battle in the first place. Something's a mess?  Clean it up.  Be a positive force for change and don't foment an argument.

Is there negativity here?  Sure there is.  BW has yet to admit they made an error and has as yet done nothing to attempt to build bridges with fans.  They could have begun to do that with the EC, but they didn't use that to have an open discussion either.  They went back on twitter and then again began to characterize this situation as a fan problem.  Not helping.

What happens is that these are real people saying not so kind things about all of us, so it becomes very difficult to not attack the person that is attacking you.  I can't help but feel that every person working at BW needs lessons in Customer Service and the art of not saying everything that comes into your head.

Thank you. I agree on your points. It's funny though, you're pretty much the only poster that I will take the time to read each and every wall-of-text you create lol because they are mostly filled with fantastic insight and advice.
You're also very persistent

Much

[Cyren]

Serious folks, why is this toxic atmosphere even present at all? We either don't like something, or we do. The people at Bioware did their best to meet our expectations. Yes they didn't meet all our expectations, but you can't force them to comply to a million different desires from an even greater number of fans. It's just not possible.
The fact that some fans are still spewing toxic garbage is insulting for the fans who aren't and it gives all of us a bad label.
Personally, I think that if you don't like what they did, you should go play another game, sell your old one and let other people who did enjoy the game (you so obviously hated that you can't shut up about it), continue playing the game.

We dutch have a saying; "Laat iedereen in z'n waarde."
"Leave everyone in their worth"
So stop harassing the Writers, producers, etc. And let them focus on their jobs.

[No_MSG]

I love these forums for all the people who do their damndest to make them work. Be it the x-enders who post long, well thought out threads on their view of the ending, or just the inane, silly posts that let you sit back and laugh. As much as the BSN is at war with itself, there's those valiant, dedicated few, fighting behind the scenes to make it a place worth visiting.

[legion999]

Volus Vagabond wrote...

This is against my better judgement, but it such desperate times, I see no better option.

Post ponies.

And then the bronies arrived.

[Edolix]

Well, he got it in a nutshell. The atmosphere in this place is indeed rather poisonous.

And it will stay poisonous until they decide to do something about it.

[HiddenInWar]

legion999 wrote...

Volus Vagabond wrote...

This is against my better judgement, but it such desperate times, I see no better option.

Post ponies.

And then the bronies arrived.

Its about to get real.

The mods might be beyond saving the thread at this point now.

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:14 .

[EnvyTB075]

If the game was so good, and the ideas behind the endings so brilliant, why hasn't anyone come out and actually debated the points?

Its interesting, everyone says "they would only spam hate on the rep", yet everytime i see the BioWare tag under the username on the BSN i've seen nothing but in depth discussions on the game, with respect going both ways.

The perception that many here purport that "haters" are stupid entitled whiners, holds absolutely no weight in the face of such discussions that do occur. So why this blog when the truth is the polar opposite?

[Arcadian Legend]

bobobo878 wrote...

lmao, I can't believe this thread is a reaction to a blog on the topic of this forum's toxic environment. I wonder what Mr. Gaider would think if he read this. XD

Maybe this?

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 07 janvier 2013 - 12:15 .

[ObserverStatus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
The fact that so many have come at me with their agenda in this thread just proves the rightness of my cause.

The number  of people coming at you with their agenda does not make your contempt for the English language any less depraved.

[3DandBeyond]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

And its not like Bioware hasn't released dlc for free:  Retaliation, Rebellion, Earth, and Resurgence.

That's because of micro-transactions.

And yet I have not been forced to pay.  btw, how is paying for something that is random wrong?  The rarity of the good weapons and characters means it wouldn't work as a pay to win system.

While I just can´t understand why anyone would pay for something they can get in game anyway, either MP arenas are really cheap or I doubt EA would allow BW to release it free. EC was because otherwise ME was utterly dead. It really seemed like the most successful torch & run I´ve ever seen.

Of course no one forces you to pay, but initially they were trying to force everyone to play MP by linking SP to it.  They know that there are a lot of addictive personalities out there and people that just plain want everything, so they create characters and weapons that are hard to get (creating more and more of them make them harder to get) and then they create a very flawed challenge system that does not always register achievements so it makes people want to play and play some more to meet the challenges.  And many challenges include ultra rare items that are needed to finish the challenge.  They know that people will act as if this is all crack cocaine that they must have.  It's also no coincidence that when something fails in the game-say the server does or the leader gets kicked (which sometimes kicks everyone) or some other such thing, that the player will often lose things they used credits for (amps and other equipment).  And that can make the next game harder or more frustrating if you've run out of amps and all.

Of course, using credits is the only way to play and not using real money, but EA/BW knows that as it's set up there are a lot of people that will get frustrated waiting to earn enough credits to try for the ultra rares and then when it's garbage, that only increases the impatience factor.

[legion999]

Edolix wrote...

Well, he got it in a nutshell. The atmosphere in this place is indeed rather poisonous.

And it will stay poisonous until they decide to do something about it.

“atmosphere" “poisonous"

I've got it, he's hinting toward Dinosaur DLC isn't he? As when the asteroid hit the Earth giant dust clouds and volcanos blocked everything killing off the dinosaurs.

[xsdob]

HiddenInWar wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Volus Vagabond wrote...

This is against my better judgement, but it such desperate times, I see no better option.

Post ponies.

And then the bronies arrived.

Its about to get real.

The mods might be beyond saving the thread at this point now.

Save this thread?

Foalish child, this thread was doomed from the start.

[solidsnake78]

HiddenInWar wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Volus Vagabond wrote...

This is against my better judgement, but it such desperate times, I see no better option.

Post ponies.

And then the bronies arrived.

Its about to get real.

The mods might be beyond saving the thread at this point now.

Obligatory Bad Boys reference
www.youtube.com/watch

[3DandBeyond]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

If the game was so good, and the ideas behind the endings so brilliant, why hasn't anyone come out and actually debated the points?

Its interesting, everyone says "they would only spam hate on the rep", yet everytime i see the BioWare tag under the username on the BSN i've seen nothing but in depth discussions on the game, with respect going both ways.

The perception that many here purport that "haters" are stupid entitled whiners, holds absolutely no weight in the face of such discussions that do occur. So why this blog when the truth is the polar opposite?

I remember one other unfulfilled promise that was stated I think by Priestley, that at some point after enough people have experienced the endings BW was going to come out and discuss them and their reasoning behind them.  Just who is left that needs to experience them?

[deatharmonic]

I've never read through every page of a topic before, but this has been so hilarious that I feel compelled to.

[HiddenInWar]

But in all seriousness, it does make me sad when we cant just discuss a game without resorting to insults. I want the"social" to be put back in "social network" here.

[Epique Phael767]

3DandBeyond wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

If the game was so good, and the ideas behind the endings so brilliant, why hasn't anyone come out and actually debated the points?

Its interesting, everyone says "they would only spam hate on the rep", yet everytime i see the BioWare tag under the username on the BSN i've seen nothing but in depth discussions on the game, with respect going both ways.

The perception that many here purport that "haters" are stupid entitled whiners, holds absolutely no weight in the face of such discussions that do occur. So why this blog when the truth is the polar opposite?

I remember one other unfulfilled promise that was stated I think by Priestley, that at some point after enough people have experienced the endings BW was going to come out and discuss them and their reasoning behind them.  Just who is left that needs to experience them?

The WiiU crowd?

[Jadebaby]

Zardoc wrote...

The BSN is one of the most tame places as far as ME community is concerned.

Link me to another site that's worse? lol

[Epique Phael767]

HiddenInWar wrote...

But in all seriousness, it does make me sad when we cant just discuss a game without resorting to insults. I want the"social" to be put back in "social network" here.

Discussions without insults? Are you new to the internet?

[3DandBeyond]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Thank you. I agree on your points. It's funny though, you're pretty much the only poster that I will take the time to read each and every wall-of-text you create lol because they are mostly filled with fantastic insight and advice.
You're also very persistent

Much

Ha ha ha, back at you!!

[Abraham_uk]

anorling wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

KotorEffect3:

>talks about negativity ruining the BSN
>calls people "smug bastards" and tells them to "go to hell"

No one does it quite like you, pal. You are one-of-a-kind.

This thread is great entertainment 

I'm not taking anyone's word for granted here.

• Who said "go to hell" and "smug barstards"?
• What was the context?
• What was the source?

I appologise if I came accross as rude...
I have heard a lot of rumours and value judgements about other people that have turned out to be completly false.


At years ago there was a girl who "apparantly" was arrested for punching her boyfriend.
After doing a bit of probing it turned out that the story was completly false.
By asking questions about the rumour, I inadvertantly spread the rumour myself.
As a result I lost a lot of friends who to this day (seven years later) refuse to talk to me.


So if you're accusing anyone of anything, I want some EVIDENCE!!!!!

[essarr71]

crimzontearz wrote...

to be fair....a lot of people predicted DA2's shortcomings WAAAAY before release and they were constantly attacked.....I would know I was one of those people defending bioware back then

I was right there with you.  And DA2 ended up being the only Bioware game I forced myself to finish and never picked up again.  Hell, I refused to believe people who read the leaked script for ME3 even after that.  But I grew up with Bioware's golden age, so it's tough to just feel negative about the company.  Probably why I'm still here almost a year later eagerly waiting to see how Bioware is going to make this all better.  Sad truth is they probably won't and I know I'll be staying away from DA3 and ME4.  But that's the level of the disconnect. 

As you said:  Bioware set their standard.  They were rewarded heavily for it.  I wonder if Gaider would feel better about these forums if they were empty.  The fact that people are still angry just means they still care and it's wrong to feel like the people who want you to succeed are the ones who are bringing you down.  It's the internet.  Thicken your skin, ignore the trolls, get an idea of what you need to do to keep selling your product.

[wafflez]

Seriously though, I feel like maybe starting a nostalgia thread now where we can just talk about the good old days.