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[Cobretti ftw]

Fifmut wrote...

I'm sure there would be a lot less negativity if they hadn't lied in our faces pre-release 

^
THis

[Bayonet Hipshot]

PsiMatrix wrote...

Thing is; it's Bioware's forums. Get a tough moderator or five to start some new rules, Wheaton's Law the place and then start getting tough when devs are put in the firing line.

Posting here is a priviledge of owning a Bioware game not a right.

Fair point but if they do that..they will lose the critical feedback from fans because we don't want to get banned for posting something against Bioware or suggesting that they should change stuff

& then they will keep on making games ...Games with no feedback, no input & we will get mad even more...

[Epique Phael767]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

PsiMatrix wrote...

Thing is; it's Bioware's forums. Get a tough moderator or five to start some new rules, Wheaton's Law the place and then start getting tough when devs are put in the firing line.

Posting here is a priviledge of owning a Bioware game not a right.

It is a privilege, but imagine how decrepit it would be if people could no longe voice their opinions. The majority would leave.

Well. There is voicing your opinion.

And then you have threads like these....

Imagine you get a letter in the mail (While living in the United States) from the federal government saying that it is now illegal to offer any criticism of any belief system, the president, congress, and any political parties. Having a tough mod invasion would be very similar to that.

[Volus Vagabond]

The ponies.. they aren't working.. screw it.

Gaider's blog post is blatant flamebait. Sorry. Is he TRYING to stir up Heplergate 2.0?

"Well, you guys are a bunch of malignant @ssholes, but I still want to say you're entitled to your opinion." That's basically what that blog boils down to.

Cmon. Spare me.

If you hate the community's general attitude and tone that is FINE. But publicly criticizing it expecting no backash, like it won't cause problems or be held against you? That's analogous to a waiter saying you smell like **** and then demanding additional tip money. Don't insult us publicly and then expect us to be all sunshine and rainbows about it. That is inexcusably STUPID. Cramming your writings full of weasel statements does not change the effect.

Yes, this community is often very hostile and very partisan. You'd have to be dumb, deaf, and blind not to notice it. However, whining about it on the internet is about the worst course of action you could take, spare whining about it in a publicized interview. It puts you on the same level as those you despise. You go from Bioware writer, still revered by some, to just another whiner.

Step up, rise above, and tough it out.

[Epique Phael767]

J. Reezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...

wafflez wrote...

For those of you proposing a purge of the BSN, how do you think it should be done? And what rules would be implemented that would prevent the same thing from happening all over again without turning this place into the Internet equivalent of North Korea?

Ban anyone who joined after 2010 :innocent:

I think he finally left to contemplate his methods of conveying his opinion..

I am all for blowing the whole thing up and permabanning some of the more vitriolic  ones.

You wanna leave that bad eh?

Modifié par Epique Phael767, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:19 .

[Herky]

This exact reason made me leave BSN, haven't been on here in months. It seems to have become better since last I was here, though.

[3DandBeyond]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...


Have you seen the majority of the posts made here? Keen and intelligent posters are a minority, and they have been even during the ME2 days.

Well have you noticed that not everyone is as capable of writing things down as are others?  Have you not noticed that sometimes things that are truly wonderful come in ugly packages.  I once knew a woman that hated my guts merely because I was her supervisor and saw her doing things that could have injured her-I told her not to do them so she would not be hurt.  She hated authority of any kind.  Nothing I did worked, though I was not trying to get her to like me, but merely make it possible to work together.  One day her father died and no one else (people really didn't like her) showed her any sympathy.  But I did and she had really hated me.  After that day she couldn't be nicer to me and she began to be nice to everyone.  It took a spark to help and she needed the job-it turned her life around. 

So, sure people don't always say things that fit our idea of how they should say things-many say them in inappropriate ways, but there's a "poem" that always meant the world to me that says it all.  Desiderata.  The dull and ignorant have a story too.

It's worse in writing than in person because sometimes things are not truly understood and you may read the hundredth post where someone has tried to explain their feelings to the same person (believe me it's happened to me-there are people that insist I include quotes for statements I make and then never respond when I do and then repeatedly ask for the same thing over and over again, still never responding).

Also, I have a pretty decent sized friend's list (not because I'm all that friendly or anything) and I've gotten messages from people who apologize for not being able to write well, things I could misunderstand and interpret badly, but I bottom line it.  I try to really understand what they are trying to say to me and I don' imagine bad intent.  I also tell them especially if they are not English speaking that there's no reason to apologize.  Writing for meaning is difficult, especially in a text messaging world.

And I disagree vehemently that the majority of posts here are not by keen and intelligent posters.  As one who has participated and written a lot (too much, I know), I can say that even people that I don't agree with contain those qualities as well as those that I do agree with.  It's one of the things I've enjoyed the most about this forum-the great and lively, interesting debate.  If you can't or haven't seen it, well I'm sorry for you then.

[PsiMatrix]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

PsiMatrix wrote...

Thing is; it's Bioware's forums. Get a tough moderator or five to start some new rules, Wheaton's Law the place and then start getting tough when devs are put in the firing line.

Posting here is a priviledge of owning a Bioware game not a right.

It is a privilege, but imagine how decrepit it would be if people could no longe voice their opinions. The majority would leave.

Well; good.

There's opinions where people didn't like the ending because it didn't blend well with established themes, lore and narrative with good CONSTRUCTIVE comments like adding in more foreshadowing or filling in perceivable 'plot holes'.

Then there's the extreme vitriol and snide remarks (even in this thread) that could well be done without.

If the signal-to-noise ratio is declining; it's time to re-tune the radio.

[xsdob]

Volus Vagabond wrote...

The ponies.. they aren't working.. screw it.

Gaider's blog post is blatant flamebait. Sorry. Is he TRYING to stir up Heplergate 2.0?

"Well, you guys are a bunch of malignant @ssholes, but I still want to say you're entitled to your opinion." That's basically what that blog boils down to.

Cmon. Spare me.

If you hate the community's general attitude and tone that is FINE. But publicly criticizing it expecting no backash, like it won't cause problems or be held against you? That's analogous to a waiter saying you smell like **** and then demanding additional tip money. Don't insult us publicly and then expect us to be all sunshine and rainbows about it. That is inexcusably STUPID. Cramming your writings full of weasel statements does not change the effect.

Yes, this community is often very hostile and very partisan. You'd have to be dumb, deaf, and blind not to notice it. However, whining about it on the internet is about the worst course of action you could take, spare whining about it in a publicized interview. It puts you on the same level as those you despise. You go from Bioware writer, still revered by some, to just another whiner.

Step up, rise above, and tough it out.

So basically the bsn **** it's pants, and bioware is in the wrong for calling it out on ****ting it's pants as a waiter thinking of the other guest there.

BSN has a very big problem, and that problem is that it likes to criticize harshly on everything, and has skin as thick as a half-a-waifer when it comes to discussing it's problems.

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Have you seen the majority of the posts made here? Keen and intelligent posters are a minority, and they have been even during the ME2 days.

If Bioware only listened to 3DAndBeyond, TheRealJayDee, and Drayfish, the rest of us could just go home confident the message was sent

Dude, I'm actually blushing right now to be mentioned with those guys...

[spirosz]

It's looks like a lot of people here need a Big Daddy hand reaching out towards them

[spirosz]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Have you seen the majority of the posts made here? Keen and intelligent posters are a minority, and they have been even during the ME2 days.

If Bioware only listened to 3DAndBeyond, TheRealJayDee, and Drayfish, the rest of us could just go home confident the message was sent

Dude, I'm actually blushing right now to be mentioned with those guys...

Why is Gmag not on dat list, tbh. 

[wafflez]

Why isn't gmag on the list? Hella rude tbh

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Many people here post that Bioware will not be able to cater to all the fans demands but let's face it, this is what fans really want from ME right now :-

-Happy ending with Shepard being actually alive & enjoying their time with their loved ones. Blue babies, home on Rannoch, wedding with Ashley / Miranda / Kaidan / Traynor . Wedding & home on Palaven. Thane cured. 
-Conventional victory. Shepard has faught & won the conventional way in the past two games (by defeating the main villain) so I don't see why we cannot do it for the Reapers. We have a lot of anti Reaper weapons all rallying as a galactic force (Javelin missiles, Thannix cannons, crapload of ships) unlike Javik's time where it was just fighting without unity
-An option to screw Starbrat & win
-An option to save all those who died unnecessary deaths or those who just didn't make sense. Legion is a software, he should have copy & pasted himself into another platform. Thane did unnecessarily. Jacob who abandoned Femshep if she romanced him & impregnated another woman. Nyreen Kandros who was the only balancing force towards Aria's anger & madness. 


I think these are not that hard to implement in the game right ? It is an RPG after all. Players should be in control of their character & the story, not the other way around. 

[Abraham_uk]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Also when you do come up with any critism, make sure it's constructive and try to present it in the most paletable way possible. Please no abusive remarks! I mean it!

If you feel like being mean towards anyone on the forums I will report you. Since joining BSN I've only used the report button 5 times (in nearly two years). I don't like reporting people and I even overlook really daft spam comments that should be reported.

Do not use the report button, PM a mod.

Thanks for the advice.

Wow. This thread is growing fast!

[Epique Phael767]

The Sin wrote...

Many people here post that Bioware will not be able to cater to all the fans demands but let's face it, this is what fans really want from ME right now :-

-Happy ending with Shepard being actually alive & enjoying their time with their loved ones. Blue babies, home on Rannoch, wedding with Ashley / Miranda / Kaidan / Traynor . Wedding & home on Palaven. Thane cured. 
-Conventional victory. Shepard has faught & won the conventional way in the past two games (by defeating the main villain) so I don't see why we cannot do it for the Reapers. We have a lot of anti Reaper weapons all rallying as a galactic force (Javelin missiles, Thannix cannons, crapload of ships) unlike Javik's time where it was just fighting without unity
-An option to screw Starbrat & win
-An option to save all those who died unnecessary deaths or those who just didn't make sense. Legion is a software, he should have copy & pasted himself into another platform. Thane did unnecessarily. Jacob who abandoned Femshep if she romanced him & impregnated another woman. Nyreen Kandros who was the only balancing force towards Aria's anger & madness. 


I think these are not that hard to implement in the game right ? It is an RPG after all. Players should be in control of their character & the story, not the other way around. 

I want a thresher maw gun to use in the last 10 minutes.

[3DandBeyond]

The Sin wrote...

PsiMatrix wrote...

Thing is; it's Bioware's forums. Get a tough moderator or five to start some new rules, Wheaton's Law the place and then start getting tough when devs are put in the firing line.

Posting here is a priviledge of owning a Bioware game not a right.

Fair point but if they do that..they will lose the critical feedback from fans because we don't want to get banned for posting something against Bioware or suggesting that they should change stuff

& then they will keep on making games ...Games with no feedback, no input & we will get mad even more...

Hmm, best way to deal with registered owners (read: purchasers) of your product is to start a ban-a-thon, especially when you've not tried to do anything else to actually start a real conversation with them?  Sounds good to me.

Actually, the best way to handle it would be to state that at some point and time an open discussion of the events would take place and that certain rules for posting would be strictly adhered to.  A forum could be created where fans would be allowed to ask questions, BW would respond, but each "side" in the debate would have to abide by the set rules.  Create not a fight, but a discussion of the events.  The problem is that in some ways BW is acting too much like a company-they fear being held legally to blame (I think) if they admit they erred or say, lied or misrepresented things.  In other ways they don't act professionally at all, by fomenting anger and hostility by talking about fans elsewhere. 

And fans, of course are responsible for how they act as well.  But you could have a heavily moderated discussion with BW on the topic and where to go from here-with BW wanting to know what reasonably could be done to "fix" this.  That is one of the main questions that a Customer Service rep will ask a disgruntled customer-how can I make it right?  I don't see any of this as happening, but the very last thing they should do is to police this site with a heavy hand and never open up a discussion with fans.

[Arcadian Legend]

gmag was another thing tat mde bsn gr8 back in the day tbh

[3DandBeyond]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Have you seen the majority of the posts made here? Keen and intelligent posters are a minority, and they have been even during the ME2 days.

If Bioware only listened to 3DAndBeyond, TheRealJayDee, and Drayfish, the rest of us could just go home confident the message was sent

Dude, I'm actually blushing right now to be mentioned with those guys...

Wow and I was thinking the same thing myself (well not about me, but about you all).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...


Have you seen the majority of the posts made here? Keen and intelligent posters are a minority, and they have been even during the ME2 days.

Well have you noticed that not everyone is as capable of writing things down as are others?  Have you not noticed that sometimes things that are truly wonderful come in ugly packages.  I once knew a woman that hated my guts merely because I was her supervisor and saw her doing things that could have injured her-I told her not to do them so she would not be hurt.  She hated authority of any kind.  Nothing I did worked, though I was not trying to get her to like me, but merely make it possible to work together.  One day her father died and no one else (people really didn't like her) showed her any sympathy.  But I did and she had really hated me.  After that day she couldn't be nicer to me and she began to be nice to everyone.  It took a spark to help and she needed the job-it turned her life around. 

So, sure people don't always say things that fit our idea of how they should say things-many say them in inappropriate ways, but there's a "poem" that always meant the world to me that says it all.  Desiderata.  The dull and ignorant have a story too.

It's worse in writing than in person because sometimes things are not truly understood and you may read the hundredth post where someone has tried to explain their feelings to the same person (believe me it's happened to me-there are people that insist I include quotes for statements I make and then never respond when I do and then repeatedly ask for the same thing over and over again, still never responding).

Also, I have a pretty decent sized friend's list (not because I'm all that friendly or anything) and I've gotten messages from people who apologize for not being able to write well, things I could misunderstand and interpret badly, but I bottom line it.  I try to really understand what they are trying to say to me and I don' imagine bad intent.  I also tell them especially if they are not English speaking that there's no reason to apologize.  Writing for meaning is difficult, especially in a text messaging world.

And I disagree vehemently that the majority of posts here are not by keen and intelligent posters.  As one who has participated and written a lot (too much, I know), I can say that even people that I don't agree with contain those qualities as well as those that I do agree with.  It's one of the things I've enjoyed the most about this forum-the great and lively, interesting debate.  If you can't or haven't seen it, well I'm sorry for you then.

So much win here. Devs like Gaider, especially someone like him who is a writer should know stuff like this. That there is a message, that there is a point that you can find amid all the hate & vitriol..

Ignoring it & running away from it doesn't solve anything. It is a form of escapism that will work for a short while .....

[RedJohn]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Devs visit the MP forum, the legend says there are more rational people than story forums

Rational? Or just easier to please?

You'd be surprised how bad the MP forums can be too, and it's much harder because on MP there are weekly changes and people complain for everything.

[Volus Vagabond]

xsdob wrote...

Volus Vagabond wrote...

The ponies.. they aren't working.. screw it.

Gaider's blog post is blatant flamebait. Sorry. Is he TRYING to stir up Heplergate 2.0?

"Well, you guys are a bunch of malignant @ssholes, but I still want to say you're entitled to your opinion." That's basically what that blog boils down to.

Cmon. Spare me.

If you hate the community's general attitude and tone that is FINE. But publicly criticizing it expecting no backash, like it won't cause problems or be held against you? That's analogous to a waiter saying you smell like **** and then demanding additional tip money. Don't insult us publicly and then expect us to be all sunshine and rainbows about it. That is inexcusably STUPID. Cramming your writings full of weasel statements does not change the effect.

Yes, this community is often very hostile and very partisan. You'd have to be dumb, deaf, and blind not to notice it. However, whining about it on the internet is about the worst course of action you could take, spare whining about it in a publicized interview. It puts you on the same level as those you despise. You go from Bioware writer, still revered by some, to just another whiner.

Step up, rise above, and tough it out.

So basically the bsn **** it's pants, and bioware is in the wrong for calling it out on ****ting it's pants as a waiter thinking of the other guest there.

BSN has a very big problem, and that problem is that it likes to criticize harshly on everything, and has skin as thick as a half-a-waifer when it comes to discussing it's problems.

Yes, BSN is royally screwed up.

But so is the rest of the internet. 4chan, reddit, so on and so forth. Are those shining beacons of optimism and constructive thinkg?

No.

Or what about Blizzard's forums?

Painfully juvenille. No thinking at ALL. "Yes-man or shut up" mentality.

What makes you think that BSN can be the exception to the trend of all this crap?

[TheRealJayDee]

spirosz wrote...

Why is Gmag not on dat list, tbh.

wafflez wrote...

Why isn't gmag on the list? Hella rude tbh

Arcadian Legend wrote...

gmag was another thing tat mde bsn gr8 back in the day tbh

Removing gmag from here was definitely not something that made the BSN a better, friendlier place...