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[Dr_Extrem]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"Hey, let's lie about what we are going to deliver and then totally not expect poo to fly!"

Yeah, seems legit.

"Hey, let's grossly widen our target audience and give an ending that the new wider audience probably won't understand!"

"Hey, let's let a talentless game journalist from IGN voice a character, because that totally doesn't show corruption in any way!"

i am a core fan and i understand the endng .. i just dont like the message and tone of it.


bsn is toxic. but this is partially a fault of bioware. their pr-department is bad - really bad. they sold this unfinished game on the hight of the hype-wave. just like swtor. then they sold crucial context by dlc and comics. it is natural, that players felt hoaxed and sound their opinions.

this is ok, as long as the sound is ok and not offensive. if you get the feeling that nobody listenes to you or that you are speaking right into the garbage-bin, people get louder.

the backlash after dragon age 2 was fair - reused dungeons were just the tip of the iceberg. tor, while being a good mmo, lacks character and me3s endings are qustionable (from qualitiy to message). 3 underwhelming games, because the pr-division advertised the game with hype not quality.

autodialogue, boring (scan) missions, mission log, missing context, cut content, emotions instead for context, missing buildups for certain endings, questionable lessons, crude usage of plot tools, linear story telling ... the list is long.

hype sells a game - but it does not make people like it.

[Xellith]

I hadnt seen any of this "sicking" stuff that people were talking about until I read this thread.

But really BSN wouldnt be as "toxic" if the devs actually took the time to CONVERSE with us.  Instead they use PR statements nobody really knows if what they are saying has been taken onboard.

CONVERSE with us.  Dont let these gaping wounds which YOU the devs left, stay open and fester.  This is a problem that can be fixed just by talking to us.  Discussing things with us. 

Modifié par Xellith, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:13 .

[kyles3]

moater boat wrote...

I would use the internet to express my displeasure in hopes of costing them customers, which is exactly what I am doing here. 

Are ya?

[billy the squid]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Fifmut wrote...

I'm sure there would be a lot less negativity if they hadn't lied in our faces pre-release 

Quit trying to justify the inexcusable crappy behavior of the bsn.  Devs are human beings and don't deserve to be insulted and threatened.

You smell.

[crimzontearz]

....well then I am not exactly surprised

Given some of the previous interaction I had with the DA team

[Yate]

should've known this thread would attract vitriol

I say burn BSN to the ground and start over

[KotorEffect3]

moater boat wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Yate wrote...

he's got it right

some of the people here are really sickening

Wow, if someone not liking a video game is 'sickening' to you, you must have a pretty low opinion of humanity.

Actualy there are alot of reasons to have a low opinion of humanity.  And what is sickening is not whether or not  you like something but how you treat people just because something didn't turn out the way you wanted.  Just because I don't like my lunch doesn't mean I go up to the person that made it and spit in their face.

That's a horrible analogy. It's nothing like not liking your lunch, it's like ordering a surf and turf at a fancy restaurant, getting a dried out chicken breast, and having the waiter essentially tell you to go to hell.

Considering how you would probably treat said waiter you would probably deserve and then deseveredly get kicked out of the restaurant.

No you stupid sack of ****, I would refuse to do business with them anymore, and I would use the internet to express my displeasure in hopes of costing them customers, which is exactly what I am doing here. There is no physical assault going on. Stop using a strawman and accept that there is nothing wrong with barking up the right tree.

Can't post a post without swearing can you?  Tell me is your face red?  Careful don't want to smudge your screen with whatever you are stuffing your face with as you fume.

[Kabraxal]

He's right. There is a place for constructive discussion... but all that is often left here is the two extremes of haters and the defenders. ANd what's really sad, the defenders love to think they are above it and aren't part of the problem, despite them often being just as much of the problem as the other side.

Here is a hint for both sides... don't go into every thread and start calling the other side complete idiots for their stance. Both sides do it and it's hard for any reasonable poster to either stay, or not get dragged into and so pissed off they start fighting fire with fire. But then... this really isn't all that different from before in this forum... really...those Ash threads in 07/08 were enough to scare me away til just around ME2's release.

[legion999]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
<snip>

Is it just me seeing the hypocrisy in what KotorEffect3 is saying? 

It's horrible to insult someone unless they disagee with you, then it's ok. That kind of double standards is the thing that is toxic here.

[clennon8]

I love how "above it all" you all are.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Yate wrote...
see, this is what I'm talking about

people deliberately misinterpreting things in order take offense and push their own agenda

disgusting

Welcome to the real world.

[kalasaurus]

wafflez wrote...

Yay! Acknowledgement! Recognition! Not the good kind mind you, but still.

Lol, yeah 

As much as I hate the ending (well the pre-EC one), I can't blame 'em for avoiding this place.  It has calmed down significantly, though.

[Obadiah]

Thread got nasty fast. This is probably what David was talking about.

[KotorEffect3]

legion999 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
<snip>

Is it just me seeing the hypocrisy in what KotorEffect3 is saying? 

It's horrible to insult someone unless they disagee with you, then it's ok. That kind of double standards is the thing that is toxic here.

  Funny how you target me and let Moater Boat off the hook.  Yeah no double standards there

[solidsnake78]

Don't you have to own the game and have it registered to post? Why should people not speak there minds about the product they purchased? Because it might make the "environment" toxic? Hey devs, don't like criticism? Don't like being insulted by the masses? Find another line of work. Any product that is digested by MILLIONS of people (books, movies, essays, plays, poems, and yes, even video games) will get these reactions. Fact of life.

[Someone With Mass]

Xellith wrote...

I hadnt seen any of this "sicking" stuff that people were talking about until I read this thread.

But really BSN wouldnt be as "toxic" if the devs actually took the time to CONVERSE with us.  Instead they use PR statements nobody really knows if what they are saying has been taken onboard.

CONVERSE with us.  Dont let these gaping wounds which YOU the devs left, stay open and fester.  This is a problem that can be fixed just by talking to us.  Discussing things with us. 

I think admitting a mistake a little more often than tossing it back in people's faces and telling them to deal with it (looking at you, Refuse ending) would work too.

I bet some would be surprised how valued honesty is sometimes.

[liggy002]

When is Bioware going to stop pretending that they didn't mess up?

[spirosz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I bet some would be surprised how valued honesty is sometimes.

You don't even know. 

[Fifmut]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
<snip>

Is it just me seeing the hypocrisy in what KotorEffect3 is saying? 

It's horrible to insult someone unless they disagee with you, then it's ok. That kind of double standards is the thing that is toxic here.

Funny how you target me and let Moater Boat off the hook.  Yeah no double standards there

That's maybe because you're the one talking about human beings don't deserve to be insulted, and then insulting someone a moment later. Lol, you're funny 

Modifié par Fifmut, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:20 .

[moater boat]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Yate wrote...

he's got it right

some of the people here are really sickening

Wow, if someone not liking a video game is 'sickening' to you, you must have a pretty low opinion of humanity.

Actualy there are alot of reasons to have a low opinion of humanity.  And what is sickening is not whether or not  you like something but how you treat people just because something didn't turn out the way you wanted.  Just because I don't like my lunch doesn't mean I go up to the person that made it and spit in their face.

That's a horrible analogy. It's nothing like not liking your lunch, it's like ordering a surf and turf at a fancy restaurant, getting a dried out chicken breast, and having the waiter essentially tell you to go to hell.

Considering how you would probably treat said waiter you would probably deserve and then deseveredly get kicked out of the restaurant.

No you stupid sack of ****, I would refuse to do business with them anymore, and I would use the internet to express my displeasure in hopes of costing them customers, which is exactly what I am doing here. There is no physical assault going on. Stop using a strawman and accept that there is nothing wrong with barking up the right tree.

Can't post a post without swearing can you?  Tell me is your face red?  Careful don't want to smudge your screen with whatever you are stuffing your face with as you fume.

I'm actually smiling, and if the profanity offends your delicate sensibilities I will stop using it, not because I care about what you think, but I don't want anything to distract you from the words I am about to use to explain what has just happened over our short conversation.

Do me a favor and just reread your comments. Notice anything? They are progressively getting more vitriolic, more angry, more negative and toxic. Isn't it wonderful? See the great thing about spreading toxicity is that it is so easy to find an unwilling accomplice. Everyone who reads this thread is going to feel a little less happy now, and I couldn't have done it without you.

Thank you for helping me make BSN the type of online community that bioware deserves.

[spirosz]

clennon8 wrote...

I love how "above it all" you all are.

I know right, ahahahaha. 

[Mcfly616]

" Because spending too much time there starts to make me feel negative— not just about the games we make, but about myself and life in general"

So true....

I try to avoid this place before or during my Mass Effect sessions. It's like poison. Takes the fun out of it. Were it not for my love of discussing the things I enjoy, I probably wouldn't be here anymore. Though, I still wonder why I even try. Any and every topic on this forum is saturated with "Ending" comments.

There was a time when most of the BSN said 99% of ME3 was great (until the end). Now that the realization has set in that Bioware won't alter the ending any further.....people are all like: "The Entire Game Sucks!!!"


Right on.....right on....

Modifié par Mcfly616, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:24 .

[KotorEffect3]

Fifmut wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
<snip>

Is it just me seeing the hypocrisy in what KotorEffect3 is saying? 

It's horrible to insult someone unless they disagee with you, then it's ok. That kind of double standards is the thing that is toxic here.

Funny how you target me and let Moater Boat off the hook.  Yeah no double standards there

That's maybe because you're the one talking about human beings don't deserve to be insulted, and then insulting someone a moment later. Lol, you're funny 

Devs don't deserve to be insulted because the game they made didn't turn out the way you wanted it to but Moater Boats crappy behavior and his overall self centered, narrow minded, wannabe badass attitude makes him open season.  He is deliberatly toxic because he enjoys it.  He is scum

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 06 janvier 2013 - 11:22 .

[ObserverStatus]

spirosz wrote...

clennon8 wrote...
I love how "above it all" you all are.

I know right, ahahahaha. 

^^^

[legion999]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
<snip>

Is it just me seeing the hypocrisy in what KotorEffect3 is saying? 

It's horrible to insult someone unless they disagee with you, then it's ok. That kind of double standards is the thing that is toxic here.

  Funny how you target me and let Moater Boat off the hook.  Yeah no double standards there

When did I let him off the hook? He wasn't on one to begin with. “Devs are human beings and don't deserve to be insulted and threatened." Do you not see the hypocrisy here?