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[Kalas Magnus]

space magic

[Nitrocuban]

Well, maybe Phantoms just play hard to get.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

inb4elitistsaidbcozitwillbecomeez

[Clayless]

Fake difficulty.

[Silvair]

Arent phantoms bosses, on par with Atlas, Scion, Praetorian, banshee, and brute?

And you cant straight up freeze bosses?

[Silvair]

Air Quotes wrote...

GAMEofDEATH-PS3 wrote...

One very important word........................

Ninja.

 

So? She gets to much "ninja treatment"  

Sometimes no agility will save you from brute strenght. 

Hence why the revenant is great against Phantoms.  Wall of bullets with spread = constant suppressive fire that she can't ninjaflip or cloak away from.

[Clayless]

Silvair wrote...

Hence why the revenant is great against Phantoms.  Wall of bullets with spread = constant suppressive fire that she can't ninjaflip or cloak away from.

Except on host unfortunately.

[dirty console peasant]

Silvair wrote...

Arent phantoms bosses, on par with Atlas, Scion, Praetorian, banshee, and brute?

And you cant straight up freeze bosses?

the reason for that is armor, the phantom has health and a buttload of agility way more than any other boss.  allowing her to be frozen when her barriers are down, and allowing grabs would help to balance her.  armored units can't be grabbed or frozen, health units can (unless you are talking about a phantom)  if we can't grab pyros anymore because of armor, then we should be able to grab phantoms because they don't have armor.

[Blarg]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

Cryo Shield freezes them.

Interesting thing happened today: witnessed a Paladin back-handing a Phantom mid cartwheel. It was the funniest ragdoll I've seen yet.

"You can't hit me-"

*Thwack*

[ThomasakaDes_]

You can stun them with a heavy melee, but it's not the wisest thing to do

[dirty console peasant]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

Cryo Shield freezes them.

Interesting thing happened today: witnessed a Paladin back-handing a Phantom mid cartwheel. It was the funniest ragdoll I've seen yet.

"You can't hit me-"

*Thwack*

lol, a second later and you would have owed me a new computer.

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:51 .

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The reason Phantoms have too much BS in them is obvious.

Phantoms are someone's pet project. They don't want it fixed or modified in any way.

Bottom line Phantoms have their own artistic integrity...

[Homey C-Dawg]

I think the ability to grab kill and freeze is also dependent on whether or not they are a boss character, not just whether they're armored.

It's a gameplay decision. Has nothing to do with real world physics.

[metaempiricist]

Bhatair wrote...

xtorma wrote...

But the paladin isn't broken or anything.

Oh not at all. Bugged 2x damage cryo explosions on 3 targets on a ridiculously short cooldown that goes through walls and effects all protection types is perfectly acceptable.

The three priming effect is intended (yes even against armored targets) and when they fix the 2x bug we can just spec the 6th evo to bring it back up. The armor debuffs only affect weapon damage anyway so the cryo explosion are not harmed by this change. So broken? Maybe a little. But after you "fix" him he'll still be the same.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I think the ability to grab kill and freeze is also dependent on whether or not they are a boss character, not just whether they're armored.

It's a gameplay decision. Has nothing to do with real world physics.

But this is sci-fi no ? There is some science in the game. So physics should matter. 

I honestly think big characters like Krogans, Batarians, N7 Destroyer, Turians should be able to grab kill any humanoid except the Banshee because she is too tall. Just imagine a Kroguard charges a Phantom & they just lifts her up with a single hand & chokes her out... *Evil grin* 

Smaller characters should have the ability to dodge out of sync kills like what Shepard does if Kai Lame gets too close to her in Chronos Station....

[Silvair]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Silvair wrote...

Hence why the revenant is great against Phantoms.  Wall of bullets with spread = constant suppressive fire that she can't ninjaflip or cloak away from.

Except on host unfortunately.

What?  I do it both as a joiner, and as host, consistently, and constantly.

[Silvair]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Silvair wrote...

Arent phantoms bosses, on par with Atlas, Scion, Praetorian, banshee, and brute?

And you cant straight up freeze bosses?

the reason for that is armor, the phantom has health and a buttload of agility way more than any other boss.  allowing her to be frozen when her barriers are down, and allowing grabs would help to balance her.  armored units can't be grabbed or frozen, health units can (unless you are talking about a phantom)  if we can't grab pyros anymore because of armor, then we should be able to grab phantoms because they don't have armor.

Though, on the other hand, it still makes sense since you are talking about being able to "just grab" the close quarters specialist.

[Homey C-Dawg]

The Sin wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I think the ability to grab kill and freeze is also dependent on whether or not they are a boss character, not just whether they're armored.

It's a gameplay decision. Has nothing to do with real world physics.

But this is sci-fi no ? There is some science in the game. So physics should matter. 

I honestly think big characters like Krogans, Batarians, N7 Destroyer, Turians should be able to grab kill any humanoid except the Banshee because she is too tall. Just imagine a Kroguard charges a Phantom & they just lifts her up with a single hand & chokes her out... *Evil grin* 

Smaller characters should have the ability to dodge out of sync kills like what Shepard does if Kai Lame gets too close to her in Chronos Station....

Sure they usually matter, otherwise a lot of powers wouldn't work. But on certain things, like trivializing the threat of a boss character, it takes a backseat to gameplay balance.

Similarly, this is why melee's lock onto targets. It would be much more realistic to allow melee to miss a lot more, but since that would make melee builds un-fun, physics get thrown out the window in exchange for hate surfing

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Silvair wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Silvair wrote...

Hence why the revenant is great against Phantoms.  Wall of bullets with spread = constant suppressive fire that she can't ninjaflip or cloak away from.

Except on host unfortunately.

What?  I do it both as a joiner, and as host, consistently, and constantly.

Consider yourself lucky. When I do it, she just flips constantly.  ლ(ಠOಠლ)

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Silvair wrote...

Though, on the other hand, it still makes sense since you are talking about being able to "just grab" the close quarters specialist.

This. Freezing, maybe. Grabbing a ninja whose primaray weapon is a sword is a no-no.

[IoeShepard]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

The Sin wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I think the ability to grab kill and freeze is also dependent on whether or not they are a boss character, not just whether they're armored.

It's a gameplay decision. Has nothing to do with real world physics.

But this is sci-fi no ? There is some science in the game. So physics should matter. 

I honestly think big characters like Krogans, Batarians, N7 Destroyer, Turians should be able to grab kill any humanoid except the Banshee because she is too tall. Just imagine a Kroguard charges a Phantom & they just lifts her up with a single hand & chokes her out... *Evil grin* 

Smaller characters should have the ability to dodge out of sync kills like what Shepard does if Kai Lame gets too close to her in Chronos Station....

Sure they usually matter, otherwise a lot of powers wouldn't work. But on certain things, like trivializing the threat of a boss character, it takes a backseat to gameplay balance.

Similarly, this is why melee's lock onto targets. It would be much more realistic to allow melee to miss a lot more, but since that would make melee builds un-fun, physics get thrown out the window in exchange for hate surfing

I agree that balance in MP takes a backseat. Right from the moment the decision was made to kick lore out of the window. Not only lore was kicked - but logic at times too - for "balance" the struggles to fulfill its purpose.

Its not about making things easy - its about making things more FUN.
Phantoms need to be grabbed just like Marauders - when its possible. They still should be able to evade the grab when they see you coming or when you are too slow.

Modifié par IoeShepard, 07 janvier 2013 - 10:52 .

[Geth Platforms]

Phantom were grab-able till they removed

Modifié par Geth Platforms, 07 janvier 2013 - 10:47 .

[Scottus4]

Air Quotes wrote...

GAMEofDEATH-PS3 wrote...

One very important word........................

Ninja.

 

So? She gets to much "ninja treatment"  

Sometimes no agility will save you from brute strenght. 

Indeed. This came to mind.

Modifié par Scottus4, 07 janvier 2013 - 11:01 .

[painforest]

Well, grabbing would trivialize them into absurdity, so I understand that even if other units with barriers+health can be grabbed. But I do agree that cryo blast/snap freeze/cryo ammo should freeze a barrier-less phantom.