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[deatharmonic]

I admit I quite like a bit of drama, where's the love triangles at?!

[Evil_Jashinist]

I'm all for both dramatic and comfortable relationships, isn't that why we have several LI's? Different types of characters have different types of relationships - a relationship (romatic or no) with the post-traumatic veteran soldier isn't likely to be very stable, so he/she needs to be balanced out by another character who can provide more warmth and comfort.

It provides the player with the best of both worlds, is more realistic, and creates a better dynamic between the companions themselves. If they're all tortured, angsty souls then the banter's not gonna be that much fun now is it? XP

[Huntress]

Karsciyin wrote...

As the title says.
(I'll bold important segments for TL;DR)

As it stands, most relationships, both platonic and romantic, feel the 'need' for a sense of drama.


So my questions to you, BSN, is this:

• Do you prefer it this way? Do you want every friendship to have drama, conflict, in the name of story and development?
• Do you feel like friends should be there as a support, and only your rivals should have that conflict?
• Do you feel like the plot should be kept in the plot, rather than your relationships?
• ...or perhaps you want a mix and things warrent - all calm is boring, but all drama is exhausting. Take solace in some, but work with others?

• Is your an ideal romance of "We can't be together, I'm bad for you, we wouldn't work, now try and prove me wrong", like Fenris and Anders? Or do you prefer your PC to have a comfortable romance without the unneccesary flair, like Isabela? (Regardless of whether it starts casual and becomes more: Zevran/Morrigan, or was romantic to start with like Alistair.)

For the purpose of discussion, sharing your preferences and your thoughts and opinions, what do you hope for?

The answer to the first question, Yes, everyone has problems and not many people will want  to help them to solve their problems, so this people allied to someone who is capable of helping them, maybe by giving them a solution by looking from another angle of their situation.

Second question is with another question: Do your family and friends always agree with you, the way you see the world, life and death? Do everyone who knows you fall back when you have a problem and tell you, "we all agree that you alone should take care of (X problem)?
do you always agree with them on everything? If the answer is no in any of this question then there is a conflict of opinions.

I don't understand this: Do you feel like the plot should be kept in the plot, rather than your relationships?"

Question is: does the relationship affect the plot in anyway? exemple killing Anders when hawke was pro-mage and saw the atrocities done by templars and what meredith ask of her ( kill innocent mages)? soemthing like that? hell yeah, thats where we pause, use every cell in our brain and decide the fate of this people. ( ..well some of us)

You said:"all calm is boring, but all drama is exhausting"  Well it depends on the time or how interested are you solving other peoples problem.

Per exemple: I find exausting explaining to people why i agree with mages been free, and why they should have their own country/city. that putting templars in every corner of say city/country is a huge fail, so on and so forth... but, many people will want to put templars to guard everyone in say country as a garantee that this mages will never harm another.... they totally forget that evil-mages can turn to blood-magic and mind control say templars and force them to speak in favor of them but meh.. I hope you get what I am trying to say.
Now about calm.. there is no calm, there is an illution of what we want to see but there is never calm, the sea could look "calm" but if you go a bit far away from the coast, you either end up as food for a shark or an strong current push you away until you drown. You're drama will be how to get away of the shark reach or how much longer you'll have to swim to get to  shore. Boring.

Romances in DA2 are great, Fenris growing out of "all mages are evil", helping Ander fight his demon, helping merril to become part of the city elves comunity.. and knowing that isabela will share her man's with hawke.. what more can we ask?

[Tootles FTW]

Garrus was very similar in Mass Effect. He was friendzoned in ME1 and became romanceable in ME2 upon popular demand. I think it's a surprise to writers AND fans when certain characters become fan favorites, or desireable as LIs.

I don't recall any drama being particularly gratuitous in DA, at least anything that was linked directly to you romancing a character. Anders became a bit emotionally manipulative in Act 3 ("If you loved me you'd do this without questioning me!") and Isabela had her Epiphany 'O Feels about the PC, but this was more symptomatic of their personalities as opposed to needless romantic drama.

Annoying love drama, to me, is petty crap that could be resolved with a simple conversation but instead assumptions are made on both sides and frustration ensues. This is usually not the case in RPGs where you can control the dialogue, though, so thank gawd for that favor.

[Swagger7]

Personally I'm fine with how BioWare writes the romances. I do wish they'd give us more than two LIs per gender and some that weren't humans or elves, but the writing is fine.

[AstraDrakkar]

I like having friends and romance in my games. Some drama is ok, but DA2 went to extremes when it came to your party members personal lives. Everyone but Varric and Aveline seemed to be insane to some degree. It was just too much. In real life, I would have avoided those people like the plague.

Yes, having more selection might help with the romances IF you make at least some of them emotionally stable individuals.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:42 .

[AlienWolf728]

Plaintiff wrote...

Well, I don't think Bioware is wrong. Stories do need drama and conflict. Even and perhaps especially romance. Let's face the facts, romance novels and films are not popular for their depiction of stable, healthy relationships. The stable, healthy relationship is the end goal. Once that point is reached, the romance story is over.

I do want every character to provide drama and conflict, but there are different ways to do that. Varric does provide drama and conflict, even if he never clashes with Hawke directly.

And just because other characters provide drama doesn't mean that the relationship is unhealthy, or that those characters can't also be a source of comfort. Anders was a source of comfort to my Hawke after Leandra's murder.

[TheJediSaint]

I don't mind companions being sources of drama,, that's part of what makes them interesting. The only issue I had with the companions in Dragon Age 2 was that almost half of them had some pretty tremendous emotional issues to work around, particularly the love interests. There's just something wrong that out of the four love interests, I found Isabella to be the most sane.

[Warden Nick]

As long as I can say to my LI "I'v had enough of your disengenous assertions" and then punch her in the face im ok with a bit of drama.

[Warden Nick]

double post

Modifié par Warden Nick, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:21 .