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[SeismicGravy]

If DA3 is to have a multiplayer mode, is it possible you could limit the amount of achievements for it?  It's so frustrating when you buy a game with 1000g, only to realise that 700g is dedicated to online gaming. 

Might be just me being petty, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that get's a little miffed by this.

[Fast Jimmy]

I think all MP achievements should be tracked within the MP component of the game alone.

Maybe have badges or medals (or what have you) that show your status to the other MP crowd, but aren't actually part to the achievements portion of the consoles.

I agree, it is a bit of a minor concern, but being the completionist I am, it gets me a little miffed when I can't activate all the achievements just because I have no desire to access the MP conponent of a game.

[Gazardiel]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I think all MP achievements should be tracked within the MP component of the game alone.

Maybe have badges or medals (or what have you) that show your status to the other MP crowd, but aren't actually part to the achievements portion of the consoles.

I agree, it is a bit of a minor concern, but being the completionist I am, it gets me a little miffed when I can't activate all the achievements just because I have no desire to access the MP conponent of a game.

I have the same beef with being kept out of achievements because I don't feel like doing MP.  But my bigger concern is that there will be more restrictions placed on the game, such as "always online authentication" (see: Diablo 3), that will really hamper my ability to enjoy a game I bought in the name of preventing hacking/cheating.  Single player cheating/hacking/modding isn't nearly as big an issue, but once a game goes MP, there is a need too overse things more carefully. 

[Vortex13]

I agree with you OP, and I am a MP fan.

I think ME 3's achievements are the way to go. Now correct me if I am wrong but I believe only one or two achievements were MP exclusive; the others were unlocked by SP or MP, things like have an extraction on gold across all MP maps or completing all the N7 missions on Insanity.

[Fast Jimmy]

In regards to the "always online"'concern, I don't think they could try and implement that on a game on consoles, so I doubt they would try to do it for the PC only crowd. That would push nearly all sales over to the consoles and away from the PC, which would make any work done on the PC version like money tossed in the trash.

[Maria Caliban]

SeismicGravy wrote...

If DA3 is to have a multiplayer mode, is it possible you could limit the amount of achievements for it?  It's so frustrating when you buy a game with 1000g, only to realise that 700g is dedicated to online gaming. 

Might be just me being petty, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that get's a little miffed by this.

I agree.

It makes sense if the focus of the game is multiplayer (Borderlands) but for a single player based game like DA, most achievements should be SP only.

[mousestalker]

Is a multiplyer similar to an omnitool or a sonic screwdriver?

[Maria Caliban]

mousestalker wrote...

Is a multiplyer similar to an omnitool or a sonic screwdriver?

It's a sexual euphemism.

So yes.

[Gazardiel]

I hope y'all are right re: always online.

If the MP achievements serve as rewards for trying MP, rather than for accomplishing big things in MP, I wouldn't mind. For example, in WoW you get an achievement for doing a PUG; there could be something similar for doing a MP quest/mission in a group. So it wouldn't require you to do well with a group, just to have tried it.

[Fast Jimmy]

^

I personally have no connection to use any online features. I have no desire to pay extra to use said online features.

I would prefer Achievements for the game to be completely divorced from the MP aspect of the game.

[Cartims]

I like MP in ME, I don't care much for the achievements, I just like to dress my Krogan in bright rainbow colors, my geth is hot pink and my Asari looks like a bumble bee, I don't give a crap what my score is...I LOOK GOOD!

[SeismicGravy]

mousestalker wrote...

Is a multiplyer similar to an omnitool or a sonic screwdriver?

Darn it.

[Kidd]

They could and imho should do it like ME3 did. Have the achievements unlock in two ways.

EntropicAngel wrote...

I don't think it'll be always online. EA's stayed away from that for the most part--except for Sim City 5, which I will not be getting because it's always online, though I've poured countless ours into 4 and would buy it in a heartbeat otherwise.

But that's the only EA game I know of offhand that is always online.

To be fair, it isn't always online just to function as evil DRM. The online functionality will create a free market for players worldwide, which even those who do not touch MP will be part of. No more randomised markets and immigration - the people, wares and money will actually come from somewhere.

[In Exile]

Is this just about an achievement being there, and you needing to have it? If someone had an achieved called "Run in a zig-zag pattern for 30 real time hours", you'd either do it or find a way to use elastic bands to get the controller to do it for you?

[Kidd]

I zig-zag like a baws.

[Sanunes]

I like how BioWare did multiplayer achievements with Mass Effect 3 and hope if there is a multiplayer mode that does require achievements its done the same way with each achievement being two staged so you can complete it in single player or multiplayer.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Dead Rising achievements that had you survive for thirty hours straight were a blast.

[Fiddzz]

I'm having a hard time understanding the logic in the argument. Achievements are usually rewards for doing specific things related to the game in general, and THEN there are the "jump through 35 hoops in the chronological order of the developers kids ages" achievements.

As a completionist myself, I find those to be very annoying and "why do I have to do that to get the achievement" runs through my mind. But... that's the point, its an achievement, get 10 points for doing this random thing, I don't have to do it, some are fun some are not, but it's there if I want.

Grinding 1000 hours running zig zaggy to get that single player one isn't fun to me, but I do it.

So my question about the OP is this, most achievements are time sinks, how is playing a multi player match (I'M NOT CONFIRMING OR DENYING MP IS IN DA) for those 10 points, any different than running zig-zags for 30hrs? Is it because that is not fun for you? My follow up would then be, running the zig-zags for 30hrs isn't fun for someone else, but doing MP achievements would be.

When we make achievements we try to think of fun things (and some mean spirited ones too hehe ) that would appeal to all the different people that play our games, who enjoy many different things about our games.


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To clarify, I agree with your example, a mainly single player game should have mainly SP achievements. Something like borderlands being 700/1000 MP specific achievements makes sense for them, but not for say, Far Cry 3.

Modifié par Blair Brown, 07 janvier 2013 - 06:15 .

[The Hierophant]

It might be off topic but would there finally be an achievement for completing the game on nightmare mode?

[ShiroDNX]

@Blair: Don't know for certain, but I don't think they dislike the ideas of 'chieves/tropies in MP because they don't find it fun. Maybe more like these trophies rely on an online element that forces control and aqcuisition away from just the player's skill due to the inclusion of other players that may be required for their claim. But fun can also be a factor. If any would-be MP were made, there's the risk of it being like the one in AC. A MP, based on ideas of stealth and sneak with bonuses for tricking the opposition, but most the time you'll find folks just running on rooftops ganking each other. And I recall there was a challenge for getting a kill while stealthed in a crowd in at least one of the games -- obvious detriment is obvious.

People prefer being able to acquire these things on their own skill. You feel more pride from it. And also, as someone already stated, not everyone has access to online, so these would then be unavailable right away to some.

[NoForgiveness]

i dont think there should be any mp trophies/acheivements. i have absolutely no intention to any play pvp in da, i hate ACs mp, it just doesn't work for games that aren't shooters. i might play coop stuff if its done right, but the amount of players on will go down alot faster making them almost impossible to get. also i think its unfair to people who dont have internet or crappy internet or a crappy router, anything that would actually prevent them from playing online. it doesn't personally bother me when i dont get the platinum, what does is when i can't. And for people like my brother who is like ocd and has to get the platinum on his favorite games, i think its completely unfair that he can't because of things like ac3 mp. now on ps3 (dont care about xbox) the solution to this would be to make mp trophies not count towards the platinum.

Modifié par MR_PN, 07 janvier 2013 - 06:30 .

[LinksOcarina]

Well Mass Effect 3 had like four or so multiplayer achievements that could be completed in single player as well.

So you get both options that way which I say is fair.