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[BBK4114]

They're sheeple.

[SeptimusMagistos]

So you want the conflict to be decided by people who were either too incompetent or too cowardly to keep their power?

Even if we followed your argument, you would first have to totally remove the status quo as well as any practical concerns such as a suspicion of retribution by one side or the other.

[Althix]

hmmm... you do know that some mages want to become tranquil right?

[SeptimusMagistos]

secretsandlies wrote...

hmmm... you do know that some mages want to become tranquil right?

see: too cowardly.

[Althix]

what is that smell?... is it... Magister?..

[Gazardiel]

My brain just broke... in a good way. Awesome.

[BBK4114]

 Whenever I see your username I see secret sandlies not secrets and lies. Makes me giggle.  

[Althix]

on topic.

Tranquil is free of all emotions He have only rational and logical thinking. Considering that he is free of constant mortal threat, he can and most likely will consider it a better option to be killed one way or another or struggle on daily basis against creatures of the Fade.

As result, his opinion will not satisfy either mages or divine.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:26 .

[Althix]

BBK4114 wrote...

 Whenever I see your username I see secret sandlies not secrets and lies. Makes me giggle.  

because it's secrets and lies.
Because single secret is not fun enough .

[BBK4114]

EntropicAngel wrote...

BBK4114 wrote...

They're sheeple.

That's impossible. They don't have any desire to follow the crowd. Do they have any desires, period? I don't agree with your assertion.

How 'bout Karl? His real self hated what he had become. He said something like "All the music, all the color stripped away..."  but when he went back to the tranquil state he was just willing to go along with the status quo. Like a sheeple.

[Gileadan]

Mages should be watched over and protected by tranquil templars! They would be incorruptible and judge every situation based on nothing but facts.

Also, they will develop a new badass fighting style and be known as Grammaton Clerics from then on.

[Dave of Canada]

BBK4114 wrote...

How 'bout Karl? His real self hated what he had become. He said something like "All the music, all the color stripped away..."  but when he went back to the tranquil state he was just willing to go along with the status quo. Like a sheeple.

There's a difference between the logical course of action and the emotional one, it doesn't make one a sheeple. If the logical course of action was for him to die, his tranquil self would ask for it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:46 .

[_- Songlian -]

The whole is always more than the sum of its parts. It would not be that easy.

And I'm not sure anyone would defer to the judgement of the Tranquils, especially not the leaders in charge.

[Nerdage]

The most "logical" solution isn't necessarily the one which will please everyone (or anyone). The tranquil may come up with a solution which avoids conflict, protects innocents from magic, or whatever they prioritize first; but remember that most of the tranquil also seem content to be tranquil, and I can't imagine many of the mages signing up for that either.

Basically, their solution may satisfy if all parties were tranquil, but then if that were the case there'd be no problem.

Modifié par nerdage, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:19 .

[BBK4114]

Dave of Canada wrote...

BBK4114 wrote...

How 'bout Karl? His real self hated what he had become. He said something like "All the music, all the color stripped away..."  but when he went back to the tranquil state he was just willing to go along with the status quo. Like a sheeple.

There's a difference between the logical course of action and the emotional one, it doesn't make one a sheeple. If the logical course of action was for him to die, his tranquil self would ask for it.

It may be logical but I believe that emotion, the ability to strive and push ourselves, is what makes us human. The fact that who he was when he was human not an automaton hated what he had become is the most telling part of being made tranquil. In my opinion (and in my heart.)  

He did not want to be in the circle until he was made tranquil. He will blindly follow what he's told to do - like turning in his friend. That's the point. 

[Xilizhra]

Well, given that Tranquility is nearly always inherently evil, I can see problems arising from this. Also, they simply don't operate at full mental capacity; the loss of emotion would bring with it a loss of empathy and probably understanding of how human emotions work. Ultimately, it would likely be a very bad idea.

[Kusy]

The Chantry would be like "all mages must die or be tranquilized!"
And the Tranquil would be like "ok, mages, let the Chantry tranquilize all of you."

Great idea. Marvelous.

[LobselVith8]

BBK4114 wrote...

They're sheeple.

I think there's a reason that Alrik was able to rape tranquil mages and why Karl said he didn't want to be a "templar puppet" anymore.

[Potato Cat]

They do have desires, perhaps more basic desires, but they still have them. And Owain shows how many Tranquil are willingly made and therefore this can impact upon his beliefs in that he feels no regret for this decision. I agree that they are sheeple and with the right amount of coercion, could go either way in this conflict.

[Althix]

it's not "given".

[Navasha]

Um... no. The tranquil aren't really even people anymore IMO. They are little more than living robots. Being able to move and carry out instructions given to them doesn't make them good decision makers.

[SweQue]

Tranquil are like Al Gore, enough said :/

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, given that Tranquility is nearly always inherently evil, I can see problems arising from this. Also, they simply don't operate at full mental capacity; the loss of emotion would bring with it a loss of empathy and probably understanding of how human emotions work. Ultimately, it would likely be a very bad idea.

If you want to actually talk about cognitive processing and emotion, you'd lose a lot more than just that. Emotions are very important for things like insight and intuition, so tranquil should actually be very bad at solving insight-related problems (basically, anything we might call "thinking outside the box").