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[Althix]

... again.
Mages don't have numbers. Don't have resources. Don't have any support. In open conflict they will lose. They can't win war of attrition either. Templars are that kind of soldiers that excels at killing mages. Other wise mages would rebel even sooner, given that they would have some spine to act rather than whine how bad it is to be a mage.

This rebellion is will not end well if it will come to fighting. Not for mages, not for templars and certainly not for the Divine.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 09 janvier 2013 - 02:42 .

[Xilizhra]

secretsandlies wrote...

... again.
Mages don't have numbers. Don't have resources. Don't have any support. In open conflict they will lose. They can't win war of attrition either. Templars are that kind of soldiers that excels at killing mages. Other wise mages would rebel even sooner, given that they would have some spine to act rather than whine how bad it is to be a mage.

This rebellion is will not end well if it will come to fighting. Not for mages, not for templars and certainly not for the Divine.

Oh, they have support. Given that they haven't lost already, it seems a decent portion of the common people are on their side, which is hardly surprising. Either they were sympathetic to begin with, or the templars have been ruining their own PR.

[Althix]

Riiight. Is there any war that was won by support of family members? Only chance mages have is to wage guerilla war against templars. anything else and they are dead. Also support of people? After what Anders did? Even mages them selfs rejected him.

Also not all of mages are battle mages, how many of them have any combat experience? Templars are trained soldiers, who ready to deliver pain and endure it. They are trained physically and mentally.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 09 janvier 2013 - 03:17 .

[Huntress]

secretsandlies wrote...

... again.
Mages don't have numbers. Don't have resources. Don't have any support. In open conflict they will lose.

In you're mind or maybe you didn't play Da2.

1)Trask supported mages, in his own way,sadly it got killed by a crazy mage.
2)in one of the act a woman ask you to help free a mage and frame a templar.
3)In act3 you find a woman who is going to be killed by templars for aiding a mage.
4) mages have families who do not want them to get hurt, mages do not hatch from eggs and not all mages are found orphaned or abandoned.

There must be more allies in the game.. I just can't remember them all right now, just think of it similar to real life, families support, friends and later allies, so yes, mages will find support, they are NOT alone in their War and they will form alliances.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

secretsandlies wrote...

Also support of people? After what Anders did? Even mages them selfs rejected him.

And if anyone believes that, they'll probably support the mages. Anders was one mage. Even in Thedas, there's going to be people who can recognize that he was an outlier.

[Althix]

Juses H. Christ :S

I am glad you are not advocating for templars.

[Althix]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
And if anyone believes that, they'll probably support the mages. Anders was one mage. Even in Thedas, there's going to be people who can recognize that he was an outlier.

true but his behavior will only inspire fear in common folks. Magic is a curse as Chantry teaches. So in total only family members would enable to provide any kind of support. But compared to Order of knights it's seems like drop in the ocean.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 09 janvier 2013 - 04:12 .

[AxeloftheKey]

That's kind of an awesome idea.

Modifié par AxeloftheKey, 09 janvier 2013 - 04:16 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

secretsandlies wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
And if anyone believes that, they'll probably support the mages. Anders was one mage. Even in Thedas, there's going to be people who can recognize that he was an outlier.

true but his behavior will only inspire fear in common folks. Magic is a curse as Chantry teaches. So in total only family members would enable to provide any kind of support. But compared to Order of knights it's seems like drop in the ocean.

Or anybody who was saved by an apostate, or who uses apostates for deniable missions and is willing to stick his neck out to be able to use them openly. Not to mention that Eamon is one of those family members, and if unhardened Alistair is on the throne Eamon might as well be. Neither does Alistair much like the Chantry's system.

And this is without getting into the possiblity that some of the Dalish will see what's going on and either ally with the mages or attack the Templars independently. Edit: Thus Spake Zathrian: "Funtime!"

On the other hand, that letter the Dog can find at Lake Cleanbad implies not all the families will be helping...

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 09 janvier 2013 - 07:13 .

[Althix]

You know if i have a small number of troops that can hit really hard and really fast, and also escape really quick from a scene. I would rather use guerilla tactics rather than blunt frontal assault. Especially if i know that my enemy have any means to kill me, neutralize my abilities and leave me helpless. Not to mention that enemy have advantage in numbers.

I would rather try to cripple enemy command structure by killing officers, sabotaging it's warehouses, ambushing convoys. For that i would do with all support i can get simply by family members. Such strikes will eventually force templars to submission, if i am willing to sacrifice those very families to templar's wrath. Because one way or another Templars will learn who are supporting me, and will strike at them.

However if it will come to war, that is more sound tactic rather than anything else.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 09 janvier 2013 - 05:00 .

[LobselVith8]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Or anybody who was saved by an apostate, or who uses apostates for deniable missions and is willing to stick his neck out to be able to use them openly. Not to mention that Eamon is one of those family members, and if unhardened Alistair is on the throne Eamon might as well be. Neither does Alistair much like the Chantry's system.

Cullen notes that people are becoming more sympathetic to the mages now. That seems to be the case with an apostate Hawke, who becomes Champion of Kirkwall despite being an illegal mage, and has a statute on the docks showing his triumph over the Arishok. King Alistair is also willing to protect apostates from the templars, and if the Hero of Ferelden asked for the Magi Boon, he's still arguing about it several years later; he doesn't seem to have an issue with the concept of mages being free from the Chantry or the templars.

[Althix]

Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.

pick a guess whom the common people see most often?

Modifié par secretsandlies, 10 janvier 2013 - 01:37 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Your statement had nothing to do with who the common people see most often. You stated that the Chantry teaches that magic is a curse. I was simply pointing out that you're wrong.

To be fair, there seem to be people who interpret that part of the Chant the way secretsandlies does. Ser Perth and Isolde, for instance. And Cullen, towards the end of Broken Circle.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:21 .

[iOnlySignIn]

The Qunari are usually pretty emotion-less too. Why not let them decide? And convert everyone to the Qun?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:25 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Qunari are usually pretty emotion-less too. Why not let them decide? And convert everyone to the Qun?

Because they don't think. They mindlessly obey their masters. The point of the Tranquil is that there's nothing stopping them from thinking. How good a job they can do without emotions, I can't say, but there you go.

[iOnlySignIn]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Because they don't think. They mindlessly obey their masters. The point of the Tranquil is that there's nothing stopping them from thinking. How good a job they can do without emotions, I can't say, but there you go.

From what I've seen of the Qunari they think as well as anyone else in Thedas. Or our world.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Because they don't think. They mindlessly obey their masters. The point of the Tranquil is that there's nothing stopping them from thinking. How good a job they can do without emotions, I can't say, but there you go.

From what I've seen of the Qunari they think as well as anyone else in Thedas. Or our world.

You say tomato.

[karushna5]

Filament wrote...

The Chantry's interpretation of that line makes it basically a curse, confining mages to roles of servitude and excluding them from positions of power.

I would disagree, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I agree mages should not be hurt or hindered, BUT they certainly shouldn't be in a position of power. Tevinter ended up because once you use magic to rule, it is a slipperry slope. Infiltrating dreams, mind control magic. Some magic is evil, maybe not all blood magic but those are certainly and when you are in charge you can favor your abilities more.

Mages should be free... Mages should not be in charge. I personally think the circle should be like public school, mandatory, but you can go home on the holidays and other parts, and when you finish your schooling you can live outside of it. It teaches you control, but you can leave afterwards. I think templars should still be around to take down rogue mages who do evil, because you need a special team to take down someone with special abilities.

[Althix]

I am not trying to interpret Chant as i see fit.

I think Righteous Mob explains everything.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 10 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

secretsandlies wrote...
I just can't see a reason why mages are kept in the Circle their entire life, why they can't have children. There are still mages that will born. Mage is a next step in evolution for humans and elfs.

Mage supremacists AHOY!