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[Knight of Dane]

Jon The Wizard wrote...

Y'know, original poster, I can actually see the logic in this. Kudos!

U tranquil bro? 

[Plaintiff]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing is inherently moral. Morals are an invention of the human mind.

Morals are illogical, so if the Tranquil do possess them, then the Tranquil cannot be logical. But whether or not the Tranquil have morals has nothing to do with my point.

The premise of the thread is that the Tranquil should be tasked with resolving the conflict because they have "purely logical minds". My point is that even if that premise were true (which it isn't), logic is useless in this situation, because the conflict is not a question of logic.

I disagree that morals are illogical. Rather, they are alogical. I think so, anyway.

And no, according to the OP (go on back and read it) the premise was that the Tranquil have no emotions and thus can be objective. I felt the paragraph from the wiki reinforced that point so it was edited in, but if you look at the bolded, that's the premise. No emotion.

And I would argue that emotion is not needed for morals.

I never said that emotion was needed for morals.

Call it objectivity, call it logic, call it whatever you want. The Tranquil are in no way better equipped to handle the issue than anyone else, and may in fact be the worst possible candidates.

[Wompoo]

Dave of Canada wrote...

BBK4114 wrote...

How 'bout Karl? His real self hated what he had become. He said something like "All the music, all the color stripped away..."  but when he went back to the tranquil state he was just willing to go along with the status quo. Like a sheeple.

There's a difference between the logical course of action and the emotional one, it doesn't make one a sheeple. If the logical course of action was for him to die, his tranquil self would ask for it.

I think they are just overly passive and compliant, I doubt logic plays any part in it. They are, well, just totally detached and emotionally castrated.

If that was my brother or sister standing there in that condition, I would go on a rampage of death destruction of Biblical proportions... I would not leave a Templar breathing and the Chantry would need to get on their knees and pray to that wife stealing comic relief they call Maker real quick.

DA is one sick broken world.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Wompoo wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

BBK4114 wrote...

How 'bout Karl? His real self hated what he had become. He said something like "All the music, all the color stripped away..."  but when he went back to the tranquil state he was just willing to go along with the status quo. Like a sheeple.

There's a difference between the logical course of action and the emotional one, it doesn't make one a sheeple. If the logical course of action was for him to die, his tranquil self would ask for it.

I think they are just overly passive and compliant, I doubt logic plays any part in it. They are, well, just totally detached and emotionally castrated.

They are compliant because it's logical; the Templars will beat them if they aren't, and I don't think simply taking the beating until the Templar gave up would work on a templar even if someone thought of it in the absence of King and Ghandi. If anything, the Templars would probably kill a Tranquil who tried it so that the others think it illogical to.

If that was my brother or sister standing there in that condition, I would go on a rampage of death destruction of Biblical proportions... I would not leave a Templar breathing and the Chantry would need to get on their knees and pray to that wife stealing comic relief they call Maker real quick. 

You'd need an army of fed-up mages and a possibly fabricated cassus belli for that. Oh wait.

DA is one sick broken world. 

That's rather the point of DA.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 janvier 2013 - 03:01 .

[DarthLaxian]

In Exile wrote...

DarthLaxian wrote...
yes out of fear that was indoctrinated into them by the chantry after they were - often forcefully - taken from their families as children and locked up!

That's not what Owain says at all. He says that he could hear the demons, and that psychological terror is what he couldn't take.

well we have another Tranquil in the games (DA2) that was forced to be like that and asked to be killed by us, after Anders with his Vengeance/Justice-Spirit made him feel again for a short time!

he clearly didn't want it (and i am quite sure that Owain would want his humanity back, if he could be made to feel again, if only for a short time!)

greetings LAX

[DarthLaxian]

what is right then? - DA2 is (unfortunately in some instances) canon as far as Dragon Age is concerned...and thus the fact that - some - tranquil were forced into it (by being told by the chantry how evil they are etc. or by directly being forcefully branded and made this way) against their will and often against the will of say a first enchanter (who needs to agree to the rite with the knight commander, if he does not, then there will be a Harrowing I'd guess and a mage who fails will be killed) and thus there are many tranquil who would love to be made "un-tranquil" (SPOILER: it can be done as Asunder showed us)...hopefully the mages can do that (they need more of themselves in order to be ready for the templars, so not why make tranquil mages again!)

greetings LAX

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

According to Gaider, the practices you mention are a problem whenever the First Enchanter is weak enough, not just in Kirkwall.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 13 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[The_11thDoctor]

tranquil have emotions, but cant show it. Read Asunder.