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[jlee375]

darkblade wrote...


But it is normal, they have machines that do everything a biotic does, weapons and torpedoes and grenades can do want biotics do, weapon ammo can be modded to do what biotics do.

you aren't thinking logically. Why add something expensive and inefficient to something cheap and efficient? 

Why make hardsuit that emulate biotics when Biotic soldiers already drain resources because of specialized training, implants, medical care, and increased rations. Even then training, fielding, and maintaining a biotic soldier is probably cheaper than building a biotic battlesuit and testing it.

What real battlefield advantage does a biotic have over a tech specialist? 

All biotics would do for mechs is make them overheat faster.

Speaking for myself, my only argument is that nothing in the lore expressly forbids the Geth from being able to employ the same abilities as Biotics. 

I am not trying to make any argument as to efficacy or efficiency.

[Someone With Mass]

Nissun wrote...

I'm not really interested in this debate, but if geth could theoretically use biotics according to mass effect's scientific explanation for "biotics", then wouldn't any person with enough implants be able to do it, too?

Just... implant themselves with the same things that would allow geth to be biotics, you know? Technology.

Probably because such surgery has a chance to cause brain damage. When you're poking around inside someone's brain, sooner or later, they're going to feel a few aftereffects.

Those eezo nodules are also merged with the person's brain during the development in the womb, which I'd imagine is a little tricky to replicate.

Well, except for those who know how, like the Reapers.

If the secret behind it is more a specific setup of eezo nodules than anything, I think the geth can replicate it or even improve it once they've learned enough about it.

[Poison_Berrie]

staindgrey wrote...
Simple guns using the mass effect premise for firing are FAR more economical than trying to design and mass produce a biotic exoskeleton.

Yet biotic research and implantation continues. Valued enough to throw money at research to create better and more powerful biotcs, yet building a suit that could safely make biotic soldiers is a big no-no...

If only there were technologically adept species who could create spaceships utilizing Eezo in their function and with an interest in biotics to work on such a thing...
O wait .

@darkblade: Isn't the same reasoning a point against Geth Biotics? Why make them if they aren't better than a Geth tech-specialist?

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .

[Daxamite]

I don't see why you can;t have a Geth with Element Zero nodules which it runs currents through to trigger biotic effects, the same way a shuttle does. It's not technically a biotic character since it doesn't have eezee in its organic tissues (as someoene already referenced) but its a close enough approximation.

[Someone With Mass]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

staindgrey wrote...
Simple guns using the mass effect premise for firing are FAR more economical than trying to design and mass produce a biotic exoskeleton.

Yet biotic research and implantation continues. Valued enough to throw money at research to create better and more powerful biotcs, yet building a suit that could safely make biotic soldiers is a big no-no...

If only there were technologically adept species who could create spaceships utilizing Eezo in their function and with an interest in biotics to work on such a thing...
O wait .

@darkblade: Isn't the same reasoning a point against Geth Biotics? Why make them if they aren't better than a Geth tech-specialist?

That's probably because there is no safe way to do that with organics yet.

Also, I'd imagine that those systems would require a really advanced VI or an AI to make the electric impulses match the wearer's so the suit doesn't create something like a large warp field or a singularity that instantly kills the guy by accident.

Probably cheaper and safer to make regular hard suits.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:46 .

[xsdob]

Because people don't like taking a look at organic creatures from an objective point of view and seeing them for what they are, organically produced machinery.

If you were to take eezo, imbed small nodes throughout the bodies of specifically built geth platforms, and wired them to be able to send highly controlled electrical signals to those nods, you would create geth biotics.

An explaination for why they exist could be easily given, here let me show you.

"During the reaper occupation of rannoch, many geth platforms were upgraded and experimented on by the reapers to turn the geth into an even more powerful fighting force. One such endevor was the creation of artificial biotics, creating specialized platforms which could harness build in eezo nodes to generate and manipulate mass effect feilds. The process was reletivly successful, and limited numbers of these specialized platforms were produced for combat situations."

I'm not calling for geth biotic gods, let's make that clear. But having geth who can use maybe basic mass effect feild abilities, such as creating a sheild for themselves using the eezo, or maybe reducing their mass to move quicker or increasing it to deliver more damaging attacks.

But geth biotics, after reading entries on biotics, bio amps, and eezo, along with ship core drive entries, all suggest that it would be entirley possible for the geth to build artificial biotic platforms.

[kname]

I would say that the lore doesn't allow a ture biotic character, with the distinction that biotics belong exclusively to organics. However, there is plenty of examples of geth using mass effect fields without being organic, so they could apply those techniques to something that achieves the same result as biotics. But here's the question, would they have shields or barriers? Barriers and shields achieve the same result through a different process. They both use mass effect fields to either stop or deflect dangerous projectiles. The difference is that shields are operated by an electronic system, whereas barriers are operated mentally.

[sirus1988]

sure they can.. just give them some biotic amps and red sand in liquid form..

EDIT: probably wouldn't work..

Modifié par sirus1988, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:55 .

[SirMilkfiend]

if the Geth coudn't do it nobody could. They can do anything when they put their flashlights together

[ufc345]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

They theoretically could, but lore-mongers will fight it until it happens. Same thing happened with the Prothean in SP

Let's not forget the Volus in MP. People take this way too seriously.

[darkblade]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

staindgrey wrote...
Simple guns using the mass effect premise for firing are FAR more economical than trying to design and mass produce a biotic exoskeleton.

Yet biotic research and implantation continues. Valued enough to throw money at research to create better and more powerful biotcs, yet building a suit that could safely make biotic soldiers is a big no-no...

If only there were technologically adept species who could create spaceships utilizing Eezo in their function and with an interest in biotics to work on such a thing...
O wait .

@darkblade: Isn't the same reasoning a point against Geth Biotics? Why make them if they aren't better than a Geth tech-specialist?

My entire post was neutral. It is a point against it, I don't think they would be more effective. But at the same time nothing suggests they can't build those biotic platforms. Those platforms might serve a niche, and the geth are the most likely faction to create synthetic biotics. 

While a biotic platform geth would be a nightmare form a manufacturing stand point, its still a hell of a lot more economically viable than building a biotic harduit. Mainly because the geth have no need for training or currency. The only thing is that the biotic platform would need is more eezo, and require heat venting and electrical dampaning. Probably  have better processors and have more AI loaded at once to handle the functions of the eezo core.

[Poison_Berrie]

Why would it be too expensive to build such a hardsuit for say Humans or Salarians?

[Uchimura]

Happy Shepard wrote...

because It's a stupid idea,

[nicethugbert]

Why would they bother when they have Overload, Proximity Mine, Flamer, Geth Turret, etc?

[Cole Jones]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cole Jones wrote...

Barrier's are Pure Biotic energy, Shields are at best Gravity shields from my best understanding.

The FTL Lowers the ship's mass to 0, Charge is essential using throw on themselves.

Their cannon's are Railguns that lower the slug's mass to get more speed. Would be better if they used slower heavier slugs really.

Here's a fact that might be a little shocking for you:

Barriers and shields...are the same damn thing. They're mass effect fields projected from something/someone to stop high velocity projectiles.

Then why is one Fucter clucked By EMP's and one by Biotic's if they are exctly the same thing?

[Viryu]

Geth biotics would make as much sense as Volus Vangaurds... OH WAI-

[Invader Nemesis]

A geth with biotics...that's stupid.

[LeandroBraz]

 It's possible to do it, but lets face the facts here, you guys don't care about having a biotic geth, you guys just can't hear a no, it's like the protheans, you guys talk like adding it would make the game so much better, like the MP will die without it, just because someone said you can't have it, now you need it badly.  
 Personally, I would prefer it to be added on the SP, preferably on the next game. It's a big deal, something that means a lot for the geth evolution, and I would prefer if it show up with a really good story. Why? Because it's a ME1 thing that Bioware just dropped when they couldn't add the Geth Hopper on ME2. What the hell I'm talking about? I'm talking about this:

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth_Hopper

"A Hopper's body is made of a springy synthetic substance that resembles organic muscle tissue."

 Geth on ME1 was evolving to become somekind of "artificial organic thing", they was developing body made of something that simulate or muscles. To actually be able to produce biotics, this would mean that they evolved this technology to a point that they are exactly equal to a organic, at least the body, including a nervous system that can interact with eezo nodules that show up when exposed to eezo.

 I don't want this showing up on the MP, with a post on the blog explaining it with advanced space magic, If it happen, I want the importance and attention that it deserve, at least a SP mission. 

Modifié par LeandroBraz, 08 janvier 2013 - 02:54 .

[Blitzkrieg_33]

LeandroBraz wrote...

 It's possible to do it, but lets face the facts here, you guys don't care about having a biotic geth, you guys just can't hear a no, it's like the protheans, you guys talk like adding it would make the game so much better, like the MP will die without it, just because someone said you can't have it, now you need it badly.  
 Personally, I would prefer it to be added on the SP, preferably on the next game. It's a big deal, something that means a lot for the geth evolution, and I would prefer if it show up with a really good story. Why? Because it's a ME1 thing that Bioware just dropped when they couldn't add the Geth Hopper on ME2. What the hell I'm talking about? I'm talking about this:

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth_Hopper

"A Hopper's body is made of a springy synthetic substance that resembles organic muscle tissue."

 Geth on ME1 was evolving to become somekind of "artificial organic thing", they was developing body made of something that simulate or muscles. To actually be able to produce biotics, this would mean that they evolved this technology to a point that they are exactly equal to a organic, at least the body, including a nervous system that can interact with eezo nodules that show up when exposed to eezo.

 I don't want this showing up on the MP, with a post on the blog explained it with advanced space magic, If it happen, I want the importance and attention that it deserve, at least a SP mission. 

I pretty much agree with you on this. The whole argument IMO is not why we need it for MP, but rather could they exist in the ME universe? I think a whole game revolving around this discussion would make for a great story.

For the record, I personally don't like playing geth; I could care less if we add anymore to MP