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[Alijah Green]

lore MONKEY might lose again

[Blitzkrieg_33]

Mgamerz wrote...

Why don't droids have force powers?

They haven't developed the technology to harvest and install the medichlorians yet

[Saltyballz81]

Oh for f**k sake.

Head, meet wall, wall, meet head.

[tictactucrac]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

jlee375 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

^Thread.

There's absolutely NOTHING suggestining that the Geth can't have biotic powers.

Then start to read the codex.

Technically, biotic powers are controlled by electrical impulses from the central nervous system, amplified and modulated by implants. Of course, a prerequisite is a Nervous system.

So there is theoretically no reason why the geth could not themselves have technology to replicate the same system. Especially since ships have engines/reactors that manipulate element zero and mass effect fields on much larger scales. 

fixed

Implying that the nervous system isn't just an electrical field that relays signals to and from the motherboard, i mean brain.

Thanks for proving the point that geth biotics can exist

You're saying geth have brains ? Humans are machines ? Thanks for being stupid.

Apparently you lack common sense and reading comprehension.

Our nervous system is basically an electrical field that relays signals to and from our brain.

How is that different than the system the geth (or any electronics) uses to control their own movements? I realize one is organic, another not, but they both use electrical currents to relay the information.

Biotics work because of electrical currents manipulating the Zero. That is how it works. Read the fracking codex.

"Our nervous system is basically an electrical field that relays signals to and from our brain. 

How is that different than the system the geth (or any electronics)"

And you say i lack common sense, okay, LOL.

[Blind2Society]

jlee375 wrote...

Technically, biotic powers are controlled by electrical impulses from the central nervous system, amplified and modulated by implants. Of course, a prerequisite is a suitable nodule of element zero. Though the term biotics does indeed refer to the manipulation of mass effect fields by organics, there is no reason why synthetics could not develop the technology to manipulate mass effect fields to generate the same effects as biotics. 

So there is theoretically no reason why the geth could not themselves have technology to replicate the same system. All that would be required would be a source of electrical impulses, a source of element zero, and some way to direct/control the subsequent effects (i.e. an implant)

Especially since ships have engines/reactors that manipulate element zero and mass effect fields on much larger scales. 

[Clayless]

tictactucrac wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Read my quote above with the actual codex text and sound file.

"Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields hrough the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful  enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual."


"from the brain"

"the BRAIN"

This seems like you don't understand biology.

What does your brain do? How are you typing? Is it by magic? Or by electrical impulses controled by your brain?

Geth can control their electrical impulses, that's how they move.

The difference?

[Someone With Mass]

Considering that Reapers are known for giving organics biotic abilities through cybernetic implants, it's not that big of a leap for the geth to do the same. All that's required is a electricity network coupled with some eezo nodes, really.

Geth would be the ultimate biotics too, since they'd only run out of juice once their power cells are depleted.

[Saltyballz81]

A cpu could be defined as a brain.

[Swan Killer]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

jlee375 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

^Thread.

There's absolutely NOTHING suggestining that the Geth can't have biotic powers.

Then start to read the codex.

Technically, biotic powers are controlled by electrical impulses from the central nervous system, amplified and modulated by implants. Of course, a prerequisite is a Nervous system.

So there is theoretically no reason why the geth could not themselves have technology to replicate the same system. Especially since ships have engines/reactors that manipulate element zero and mass effect fields on much larger scales. 

fixed

Implying that the nervous system isn't just an electrical field that relays signals to and from the motherboard, i mean brain.

Thanks for proving the point that geth biotics can exist

You're saying geth have brains ? Humans are machines ? Thanks for being stupid.

Apparently you lack common sense and reading comprehension.

Our nervous system is basically an electrical field that relays signals to and from our brain.

How is that different than the system the geth (or any electronics) uses to control their own movements? I realize one is organic, another not, but they both use electrical currents to relay the information.

Biotics work because of electrical currents manipulating the Zero. That is how it works. Read the fracking codex.

So what you're saying is, if we were in the ME universe, my microwave could have Shockwave, if I installed an eezo core in it, just because it uses electrical currents, just like a brain does? MMkay.

[udinbak4]

Geth Biotics:

1. Install L5x, or L5n implants on a geth platform.
2. Insert Eezo
3. ????
4. Profit

[Clayless]

tivesz wrote...

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

Apparently you lack common sense and reading comprehension.

Our nervous system is basically an electrical field that relays signals to and from our brain.

How is that different than the system the geth (or any electronics) uses to control their own movements? I realize one is organic, another not, but they both use electrical currents to relay the information.

Biotics work because of electrical currents manipulating the Zero. That is how it works. Read the fracking codex.

So what you're saying is, if we were in the ME universe, my microwave could have Shockwave, if I installed an eezo core in it, just because it uses electrical currents, just like a brain does? MMkay.

If your microwave was self-aware and had the ability to form and use a shockwave.

Yes.

Guns and ships already do, though they're controlled by a seperate intelligence, Geth control their own intelligence. Like some sort of intelligent machince..

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:04 .

[jlee375]

tictactucrac wrote...

"Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields hrough the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful  enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual."


"from the brain"

"the BRAIN"

Not the point. Biotics refers to the manipulation of element zero and mass effect fields in an organic being. However, the manipulation of mass effect fields is not limited to organics. Pretty much all the technology in the ME universe takes advantage of this. Thus, Geth should be capable of producing the same effects as biotics as replicated through technology. The codex itself states that mass effect field manipulation functionally requires only two components: an electric current and a source of element zero. Usually, there is also some form of a control device incorporated to direct the manipulation. However, the Geth could technically have access to all three of these components, and most certainly have access to the first two as they are capable of space flight in the ME universe sense. 



Also, the CNS is much more complicated than a simple electrical system, however, from the codex, we know that the manipulation of mass effect fields requires only a source of an electrical current and element zero. Which means that the CNS in the case of organic biotics is simply providing the electrical current. 

Modifié par jlee375, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:06 .

[Someone With Mass]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...

Why don't droids have force powers?

They haven't developed the technology to harvest and install the medichlorians yet

At least not in the original universe.

[Striker93175]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

From Mass Effect Wiki

Biotics:
Biotics is the ability for some lifeforms to create mass effect fields using Element Zero nodules embedded in body tissues.

Do geth have body tissue?

/endthread

That's the wiki, not the codex.

Codex > Wiki.

Codex: 

Biotics

Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields through the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual.
There are three branches of biotics. TELEKINESIS uses mass-lowering fields to levitate or impel objects. Mass-raising KINETIC FIELDS are used to block or pin objects. DISTORTION uses rapidly shifting mass fields to shred objects.
Most organic species are capable of developing biotic abilities, though there are risks involved. Biotics are the result of in-utero exposure to element zero. This usually causes fatal cancers in the victim, but in rare cases it coalesces into nodules within the fetus's developing nervous system.


/endthread

Modifié par Striker93175, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:10 .

[Blitzkrieg_33]

tictactucrac wrote...

"Our nervous system is basically an electrical field that relays signals to and from our brain. 

How is that different than the system the geth (or any electronics)"

And you say i lack common sense, okay, LOL.

Let me ask you a question. What is biotics?

It's the manipulation (raising and lowering) of mass effect fields. Would you agree?

Please explain how only organics can do this when just about every ship seen in the game comes with it's own mass effect generator.

[tictactucrac]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Read my quote above with the actual codex text and sound file.

"Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields hrough the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful  enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual."


"from the brain"

"the BRAIN"

This seems like you don't understand biology.

What does your brain do? How are you typing? Is it by magic? Or by electrical impulses controled by your brain?

Geth can control their electrical impulses, that's how they move.

The difference?

Yes you're right, there is not difference between your brain and you PC, absolutely none.

[Boceto]

Aren't there barrier-generators in SP? They're for sure not organic and don't have a brain. Therefore, Geth fulfill all requirements for using biotics.

[Alijah Green]

tictactucrac wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

From Mass Effect Wiki

Biotics:
Biotics is the ability for some lifeforms to create mass effect fields using Element Zero nodules embedded in body tissues.

Do geth have body tissue?

/endthread

That's the wiki, not the codex.

Codex > Wiki.

The wiki quotes the codex man...

Read my quote above with the actual codex text and sound file.

"Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields hrough the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful  enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual."


"from the brain"

"the BRAIN"

Explain a Mass Relay for us LM.  

[Clayless]

Striker93175 wrote...

Codex: 

Biotics

Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields through the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual.
There are three branches of biotics. TELEKINESIS uses mass-lowering fields to levitate or impel objects. Mass-raising KINETIC FIELDS are used to block or pin objects. DISTORTION uses rapidly shifting mass fields to shred objects.
Most organic species are capable of developing biotic abilities, though there are risks involved. Biotics are the result of in-utero exposure to element zero. This usually causes fatal cancers in the victim, but in rare cases it coalesces into nodules within the fetus's developing nervous system.


/endthread

Most organic species develop it within the uterus, that's what you highlighted.

There's nothing there that contradicts Geth Biotics, that only explains how Organics develop them.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:07 .

[tictactucrac]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

"Our nervous system is basically an electrical field that relays signals to and from our brain. 

How is that different than the system the geth (or any electronics)"

And you say i lack common sense, okay, LOL.

Let me ask you a question. What is biotics?

It's the manipulation (raising and lowering) of mass effect fields. Would you agree?

Please explain how only organics can do this when just about every ship seen in the game comes with it's own mass effect generator.

No, i don't agree, you just quote what you WANT to understand, not the truth. the entire quote is that :

"Biotics is the ability of rare individuals to manipulate dark energy and create mass effect fields through the use of electrical impulses from the brain. Intense training and surgically-implanted amplifiers are necessary for a biotic to produce mass effect fields powerful enough for practical use. The relative strength of biotic abilities varies greatly among species and with each individual. 

There are three branches of biotics. TELEKINESIS uses mass-lowering fields to levitate or impel objects. Mass-raising KINETIC FIELDS are used to block or pin objects. DISTORTION uses rapidly shifting mass fields to shred objects. 
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">Most ]organic species[/color][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]are capable of developing biotic abilities, though there are risks involved. Biotics are the [/color][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">result of in-utero exposure ]to element zero. This usually causes fatal cancers in the victim, but in rare cases it coalesces into nodules [/color]within the fetus's developing nervous system."


Would you agree  ?

And please explain why we don't see any geth biotic in the game, since they can exist, i'm still waiting.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:08 .

[Blitzkrieg_33]

From the codex:

Cyclonic Barrier Technology (CBT) attempts to solve the higher-end limitations of traditional kinetic barriers. Traditional barriers cannot block high-level kinetic energy attacks such as disruptor torpedoes because torpedo mass effect fields add mass. The CBT violently slaps aside rather than halting incoming linear force. By rotationally firing their mass effect field projectors, ships create rapidly oscillating kinetic barriers instead of static ones. Shooting through the CBT is like trying to shoot at a target inside a spinning ball.


Oh snap, a ship that has barrier! Must be an organic lifeform then. Because only organics can use barrier which is a biotic ability right? ffs.

[Beever_Boy]

Geth could use eezo to control mass effect fields just like an organic. Lore friendly? Yes. Biotics? Technically, no, but arguing semantics as lore for a video game world seems incredibly pointless, doesn't it?

[Someone With Mass]

udinbak4 wrote...

Geth Biotics:

1. Install L5x, or L5n implants on a geth platform.
2. Insert Eezo
3. ????
4. Profit

That alone should be a reason to introduce a geth Destroyer with biotic attacks.

Hehe, get it?

[Clayless]

tictactucrac wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


This seems like you don't understand biology.

What does your brain do? How are you typing? Is it by magic? Or by electrical impulses controled by your brain?

Geth can control their electrical impulses, that's how they move.

The difference?

Yes you're right, there is not difference between your brain and you PC, absolutely none.

If my PC was self-aware and in a mobile platform, like say EDI or the Geth, what would be the difference?

[Jerramie]

How about the Geth making sometype of organic augmentation to their platforms. An Eezo infused organic mass that they can run electric currents trough and control via their platforms. I am sure the Geth Consensus would realize that biotics are a valuable and sometimes necessary asset that they would need to use when fighting other biotic capable organics. See, lore friendly and it makes since. If you are confused, just incision when the Borg grafted real skin to Data in Star Trek. That concept except the Geth would do it willingly and the organic mass would not be a permanent addition to the platform. Also remember that all Collector weapons are organic mechanic biotically powered weapons. Or at least the weapons contain an organic mass which generates the power for the mass effect field that fires the gun.