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[Clayless]

tictactucrac wrote...

Saltyballz81 wrote...

tictactucrac sarcasticly wrote...

Yes you're right, there is not difference between your brain and you PC, absolutely none.

At the present time? Probably there is. In 100's of years from now? Probably not.

Since ME Is set in the future, geth can have biotics.

End of line.......

EDI = Shepard ? Mmmmokay.

You're not actually presenting any arguments for your case. You have to show what's different about electrical impulses controlled by an organic and electrical impulses controlled by a machine and how that relates to biotics.

The fact that one is organic and one is synthetic does not mean that one is capable of producing biotics and the other is not, mearly highlighting their organic and synthetic difference is not an argument.

One controls electrical impulses organically.

One controls electrical impulses synthetically.

Biotics are created through electrical impulses.

Now, explain why Geth can't have biotics.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:26 .

[tictactucrac]

Boceto wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

"Biotic abilities are of varying rarity and status in other species:
Asari - All asari are naturally biotic to some degree, and though not all choose to develop their abilities, those who do pursue training usually display formidable ability. They do not require implants to use biotics effectively, nor do they need to undergo special training to acquire conscious neural control; their reproductive physiology grants them this ability from birth. Biotic ability is mandatory for asari who want to go into military service. The most powerful train as asari commandos.
Batarians - There are some known batarian biotics who are trained as shock troopers and sentinels.
Collectors - All Collectors have a latent biotic potential which is activated if the Collector General takes control of their body and mind, transforming them into powerful and dangerous opponents.
Drell - The drell assassin Thane Krios is a biotic. It is unknown how widespread drell biotics are.
Krogan - The few krogan biotics are extremely powerful and often train to become krogan battlemasters like Skarr or Wrex. Before the genophage, biotic krogan who enlisted in the military would rise quickly through the ranks; the other soldiers were in fear and awe of them, so their superiors recognized they would command great respect as officers and promoted them. The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability, but the operation had a high mortality rate, so it was discontinued following the release of the genophage.
Protheans - Javik is a Prothean biotic. It is unknown how widespread Prothean biotics were before their extinction.
Quarians - According to Tali, quarian biotics are very rare. It is speculated that this is due to their life aboard the Migrant Fleet. Element zero is such a rare resource that it is probably too precious to be "spent" on encouraging biotic potential in quarians, and because the quarians live aboard ships, any engine accident severe enough to release dust-form element zero would also be fatal to the crew.
Rachni - Rachni Brood Warriors appear to have some biotic abilities.
Salarians - Salarian biotics are unusual and highly prized. The salarian military does not risk them in the front lines but instead uses them in intelligence services.
Turians - Turian biotics are also uncommon, and generally not much more powerful than a human L3. They are viewed with suspicion by the general turian infantry and tend to be relegated to special units called Cabals, which are employed for key missions.
To date, there has been no mention of the biotic abilities of the hanar, elcor, raloi, volus, vorcha, or yahg or what role (if any) biotics play in their respective societies."


Where is Geth ? Oh, nowhere.

End of a line.

So there were no biotic Geth yet. Doesn't mean it's impossible or not making any sense. There is so much stuff that would be possible for Geth or other fractions but that does not mean it can't be done.

IRL : So there were no green/pink cow yet. Doesn't mean it's impossible or not making any sense.

[Jerramie]

Striker, just throwing this out there. In ME 1&2, the Reapers had not attacked. In ME 3, everything changes when ole Harby and his minions show up. So follow me on this. All Reaper ground forces are a hybrid of the organic race it was made from and weird looking tube technology. I mean the Reapers even made the Brute by combing two different and incompatible organic beings. The Turrians and Krogan. My point? If the Reapers can do the seemingly impossible, why not a sentient super computer? Especially if that super computer was hooked up to the Reaper "mind" for some time. Surely desperate times call for some desperate and out of the box thinking. So as I said in an earlier post to this thread, why can't the Geth make some organic test tube biotic mass from salvaged and/or donated Asari(if they have them) human, and Krogan stem cells? Grow the fetal tissue in a lab, over develop the part(s) of the central nervous system that powers and controls the biotics, infuse/expose it to eezo, pair it with some type of mechanic device that enables attachment to any Geth platforms, and you have biotic Geth. Now they have all the requirements for biotics: consciousness, electrical impulses, and an eezo infused organic central nervous system.

[Deucetipher]

I posited this 9 months ago.

Modifié par Deucetipher, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:29 .

[tictactucrac]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Saltyballz81 wrote...

tictactucrac sarcasticly wrote...

Yes you're right, there is not difference between your brain and you PC, absolutely none.

At the present time? Probably there is. In 100's of years from now? Probably not.

Since ME Is set in the future, geth can have biotics.

End of line.......

EDI = Shepard ? Mmmmokay.

You're not actually presenting any arguments for your case. You have to show what's different about electrical impulses controlled by an organic and electrical impulses controlled by a machine and how that relates to biotics.

The fact that one is organic and one is synthetic does not mean that one is capable of producing biotics and the other is not, mearly highlighting their organic and synthetic difference is not an argument.

One controls electrical impulses organically.

One controls electrical impulses synthetically.

Biotics are created through electrical impulses controled by organic life.

Now, explain why Geth can't have biotics.

fixed and i'm done, have fun being stupid.

[Yagusin]

Striker93175 wrote...

Lets not also forget ME 1 and 2 and all of 3 had 0, zip, nada biotic geth. So we want to create something that never has existed, has nothing to do with the main game?
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We don't saw volu,hanar, or batarian females neither  yet ,but i think they exist either way.

[Boceto]

tictactucrac wrote...

Boceto wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

Lets not also forget ME 1 and 2 and all of 3 had 0, zip, nada biotic geth. So we want to create something that never has existed, has nothing to do with the main game?

Lets just spawn giant yellow tech big bird characters and a biotic blue cookie monster throwing characters while we're pulling crap outta of our arses.

I personally want to play as pikachu killing some reapers. "It's not against lore?!"
I know! I want to play as Gundam Heavyarms. "It's not against lore?!"
BETTER YET! Let me play as a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. Bam, theres 4 DLC characters right there... Leo, Donny, Raph, and Michelangelo

Biotic geth is just stupid I'm sorry. It makes as much sense as the suggestions mentioned above.

A biotic Geth is possible and still missing, that's why we want to create it. If Cerberus didn't have any snipers we would request them as well. A Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle wouldn't make sense and be totally random (as you said), it's not like a biotic Geth.

I'm sorry, a turtle trained by ninjas and with ezo implants is lore friendly, it's possible. A yellow-painted mouse with omni-tool and overload power is lore-friendly, pikachu is lore friendly.

Seriously, please, stop being stupid, stop interpreting the lore.

At what point was I "interpreting the lore"? It's never said that it's not possible, apparently we know about implants making biotics possible for races that usually would not be able to use them. That's no interpretation, it's a logical conclusion.
Also, does that mean you'd rather want a biotic turtle than a biotic geth? That you're thinking it makes more sense?

[Clayless]

tictactucrac wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Saltyballz81 wrote...

tictactucrac sarcasticly wrote...

Yes you're right, there is not difference between your brain and you PC, absolutely none.

At the present time? Probably there is. In 100's of years from now? Probably not.

Since ME Is set in the future, geth can have biotics.

End of line.......

EDI = Shepard ? Mmmmokay.

You're not actually presenting any arguments for your case. You have to show what's different about electrical impulses controlled by an organic and electrical impulses controlled by a machine and how that relates to biotics.

The fact that one is organic and one is synthetic does not mean that one is capable of producing biotics and the other is not, mearly highlighting their organic and synthetic difference is not an argument.

One controls electrical impulses organically.

One controls electrical impulses synthetically.

Biotics are created through electrical impulses controled by organic life.

Now, explain why Geth can't have biotics.

fixed and i'm done, have fun being stupid.

That's not an argument, you'd have to show what's unique about organic life controlling electrical impulses.

This is not fantasy. This is sci-fi. Organics are not magic.

[Saltyballz81]

tictactucrac copied and pasted

"Biotic abilities are of varying rarity and status in other species:
Asari - All asari are naturally biotic to some degree, and though not all choose to develop their abilities, those who do pursue training usually display formidable ability. They do not require implants to use biotics effectively, nor do they need to undergo special training to acquire conscious neural control; their reproductive physiology grants them this ability from birth. Biotic ability is mandatory for asari who want to go into military service. The most powerful train as asari commandos.
Batarians - There are some known batarian biotics who are trained as shock troopers and sentinels.
Collectors - All Collectors have a latent biotic potential which is activated if the Collector General takes control of their body and mind, transforming them into powerful and dangerous opponents.
Drell - The drell assassin Thane Krios is a biotic. It is unknown how widespread drell biotics are.
Krogan - The few krogan biotics are extremely powerful and often train to become krogan battlemasters like Skarr or Wrex. Before the genophage, biotic krogan who enlisted in the military would rise quickly through the ranks; the other soldiers were in fear and awe of them, so their superiors recognized they would command great respect as officers and promoted them. The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability, but the operation had a high mortality rate, so it was discontinued following the release of the genophage.
Protheans - Javik is a Prothean biotic. It is unknown how widespread Prothean biotics were before their extinction.

To quote a certain monocle wearing Krogan

LordSirian wrote....

China called they want there wall back.

Oh, by the way, Edi= Shepard?

Edi is synthetic and self aware and could use biotics. You shot down your own argument. Well done

[Boceto]

tictactucrac wrote...

Boceto wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

"Biotic abilities are of varying rarity and status in other species:
Asari - All asari are naturally biotic to some degree, and though not all choose to develop their abilities, those who do pursue training usually display formidable ability. They do not require implants to use biotics effectively, nor do they need to undergo special training to acquire conscious neural control; their reproductive physiology grants them this ability from birth. Biotic ability is mandatory for asari who want to go into military service. The most powerful train as asari commandos.
Batarians - There are some known batarian biotics who are trained as shock troopers and sentinels.
Collectors - All Collectors have a latent biotic potential which is activated if the Collector General takes control of their body and mind, transforming them into powerful and dangerous opponents.
Drell - The drell assassin Thane Krios is a biotic. It is unknown how widespread drell biotics are.
Krogan - The few krogan biotics are extremely powerful and often train to become krogan battlemasters like Skarr or Wrex. Before the genophage, biotic krogan who enlisted in the military would rise quickly through the ranks; the other soldiers were in fear and awe of them, so their superiors recognized they would command great respect as officers and promoted them. The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability, but the operation had a high mortality rate, so it was discontinued following the release of the genophage.
Protheans - Javik is a Prothean biotic. It is unknown how widespread Prothean biotics were before their extinction.
Quarians - According to Tali, quarian biotics are very rare. It is speculated that this is due to their life aboard the Migrant Fleet. Element zero is such a rare resource that it is probably too precious to be "spent" on encouraging biotic potential in quarians, and because the quarians live aboard ships, any engine accident severe enough to release dust-form element zero would also be fatal to the crew.
Rachni - Rachni Brood Warriors appear to have some biotic abilities.
Salarians - Salarian biotics are unusual and highly prized. The salarian military does not risk them in the front lines but instead uses them in intelligence services.
Turians - Turian biotics are also uncommon, and generally not much more powerful than a human L3. They are viewed with suspicion by the general turian infantry and tend to be relegated to special units called Cabals, which are employed for key missions.
To date, there has been no mention of the biotic abilities of the hanar, elcor, raloi, volus, vorcha, or yahg or what role (if any) biotics play in their respective societies."


Where is Geth ? Oh, nowhere.

End of a line.

So there were no biotic Geth yet. Doesn't mean it's impossible or not making any sense. There is so much stuff that would be possible for Geth or other fractions but that does not mean it can't be done.

IRL : So there were no green/pink cow yet. Doesn't mean it's impossible or not making any sense.

Skin color is something entirely different.
By the way, it would be possible. It just didn't happen like that in the evolution.

[Apl_Juice]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

That's not an argument, you'd have to show what's unique about organic life controlling electrical impulses.

This is not fantasy. This is sci-fi. Organics are not magic.

That's not expressly stated anywhere, but one can assume that a biotic has to do or think something different in order to get a Warp field or perform a Biotic Charge. Also consider that the Mass Effect Universe is not complete; we've only just gotten female Turians after all. So either the answer to OP is no, on account of what info we have, or the answer is indefinite, on account of what BioWare could do with the lore.

Modifié par Apl_J, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:34 .

[Bleachrude]

I would point out that turian biotics are uncommon compared to Asari...

Their should be a lot more turian biotics than most people think (certainly more than quarians or salarians)....

[Someone With Mass]

tictactucrac wrote...
fixed and i'm done, have fun being stupid.

There's absolutely nothing that says that biotic fields are exclusive to organics.

The mere existence of starships powered by mass effect fields disproves it.

Really, all the geth would need to do is design a projector capable of shaping the biotics for them and then they're set.

The reason we haven't seen anything like this is because the geth weren't fully committed to the fight before ME3. It'd make sense that they're trying to ramp up the technological advancements.

[tictactucrac]

Saltyballz81 wrote...

tictactucrac copied and pasted

"Biotic abilities are of varying rarity and status in other species:
Asari - All asari are naturally biotic to some degree, and though not all choose to develop their abilities, those who do pursue training usually display formidable ability. They do not require implants to use biotics effectively, nor do they need to undergo special training to acquire conscious neural control; their reproductive physiology grants them this ability from birth. Biotic ability is mandatory for asari who want to go into military service. The most powerful train as asari commandos.
Batarians - There are some known batarian biotics who are trained as shock troopers and sentinels.
Collectors - All Collectors have a latent biotic potential which is activated if the Collector General takes control of their body and mind, transforming them into powerful and dangerous opponents.
Drell - The drell assassin Thane Krios is a biotic. It is unknown how widespread drell biotics are.
Krogan - The few krogan biotics are extremely powerful and often train to become krogan battlemasters like Skarr or Wrex. Before the genophage, biotic krogan who enlisted in the military would rise quickly through the ranks; the other soldiers were in fear and awe of them, so their superiors recognized they would command great respect as officers and promoted them. The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability, but the operation had a high mortality rate, so it was discontinued following the release of the genophage.
Protheans - Javik is a Prothean biotic. It is unknown how widespread Prothean biotics were before their extinction.

To quote a certain monocle wearing Krogan

LordSirian wrote....

China called they want there wall back.

Oh, by the way, Edi= Shepard?

Edi is synthetic and self aware and could use biotics. You shot down your own argument. Well done

What ? Lol. Okay. You're right. Next pikachu coming in MP, so much lore friendly. Yes, why couldn't an ezo-augmented mouse exist ?

Modifié par tictactucrac, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:34 .

[Clayless]

Apl_J wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

That's not an argument, you'd have to show what's unique about organic life controlling electrical impulses.

This is not fantasy. This is sci-fi. Organics are not magic.

That's not expressly stated anywhere, but one can assume that a biotic has to do or think something different in order to get a Warp field or perform a Biotic Charge. Also consider that the Mass Effect Universe is not complete; we've only just gotten female Turians after all. So either the answer to OP is no, on account of what info we have, or the answer is indefinite, on account of what BioWare could do with the lore.

Machines, like Geth and EDI, can control their electrical impulses. We see this in the game.

Arguing about whether or not they are thinking is a completely different argument that has nothing to do with whether or not they can control their electrical impulses.

[E71]

I'm always up for more playable Geth units but I think the Salarians are now the most neglected race.

We need more Salarians.

[Clayless]

tictactucrac wrote...

What ? Lol. Okay. You're right. Next pikachu coming in MP, so much lore friendly. Yes, why couldn't an ezo-augmented mouse exist ?

Could you please reply to my earlier quote? The one that was in reply to you?

Thanks.

[Saltyballz81]

Pikachu?

I refuse to converse with a child that mentions pokeman as a reference. How old are you? 12?

[Poison_Berrie]

They technically wouldn't be Biotics. They would be tech characters emulating biotics.
That is if that's all there is to having/using biotic powers.

[Apl_Juice]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

That's not an argument, you'd have to show what's unique about organic life controlling electrical impulses.

This is not fantasy. This is sci-fi. Organics are not magic.

That's not expressly stated anywhere, but one can assume that a biotic has to do or think something different in order to get a Warp field or perform a Biotic Charge. Also consider that the Mass Effect Universe is not complete; we've only just gotten female Turians after all. So either the answer to OP is no, on account of what info we have, or the answer is indefinite, on account of what BioWare could do with the lore.

Machines, like Geth and EDI, can control their electrical impulses. We see this in the game.

Arguing about whether or not they are thinking is a completely different argument that has nothing to do with whether or not they can control their electrical impulses.

Arguing about how they think IS relevant. Organics can use biotics; that's an indisputable fact. They can also do something to control how their Biotics work, a la different Powers like Throw, Lift, Warp, etc. There's something in the process that gives them that ability that isn't stated anywhere. Until we know what exactly that is and whether or not machines can replicate that, then the answer can't be determined at this time OR is no, because it would have happened already.

[zRz Tyr]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

^Thread.

There's absolutely NOTHING suggestining that the Geth can't have biotic powers.

Then start to read the codex.

+ if geths could be biotics, why don't we see any geth biotic in ME1/2/3 ?

Just quote the part of the codex here that say they're not possible.

Why don't we see Turian Females?

Because Bioware has been to lazy to animate them.

[Someone With Mass]

tictactucrac wrote...
What ? Lol. Okay. You're right. Next pikachu coming in MP, so much lore friendly. Yes, why couldn't an ezo-augmented mouse exist ?

Well, there were reports of biotic bugs in the Cerberus Daily News.

And Thessia's wildlife is known to be biotically enhanced.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:47 .

[tictactucrac]

Saltyballz81 wrote...

Pikachu?

I refuse to converse with a child that mentions pokeman as a reference. How old are you? 12?

You just refuse to admit that this pikachu idea is as stupid as this geth biotic idea. Maybe could you prove me that an ezo-augmented mouse couldn't exist ?


"look at this child playing pokemon, brrrr, i am SO MATURE, I PLAY MASS EFFECT"

Seriously ?

[Someone With Mass]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

They technically wouldn't be Biotics. They would be tech characters emulating biotics.
That is if that's all there is to having/using biotic powers.

According to the Reapers, it is.

[Clayless]

Apl_J wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

That's not an argument, you'd have to show what's unique about organic life controlling electrical impulses.

This is not fantasy. This is sci-fi. Organics are not magic.

That's not expressly stated anywhere, but one can assume that a biotic has to do or think something different in order to get a Warp field or perform a Biotic Charge. Also consider that the Mass Effect Universe is not complete; we've only just gotten female Turians after all. So either the answer to OP is no, on account of what info we have, or the answer is indefinite, on account of what BioWare could do with the lore.

Machines, like Geth and EDI, can control their electrical impulses. We see this in the game.

Arguing about whether or not they are thinking is a completely different argument that has nothing to do with whether or not they can control their electrical impulses.

Arguing about how they think IS relevant. Organics can use biotics; that's an indisputable fact. They can also do something to control how their Biotics work, a la different Powers like Throw, Lift, Warp, etc. There's something in the process that gives them that ability that isn't stated anywhere. Until we know what exactly that is and whether or not machines can replicate that, then the answer can't be determined at this time OR is no, because it would have happened already.

They control it through electrical impulses from the brain. Like moving their arms and legs, speaking, thinking and reasoning.

Geth can do the same.

Saying that there might be some sort of extra secret thing is headcanon, and also closer to fantasy than sci-fi, so therefore is not relevant to the argument.

In other words, theorising that there might be something that isn't mentioned anywhere in the canon that stops Geth Biotics is not an argument against Geth Biotics.