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Blindspy wrote...

I'm still very much so interested in the Mass Effect universe and where the next story can take it. Original endings initially made me want to stay far away, but EC made me feel a bit better. And what can I say, I'm a total sucker for sci-fi.


QFT

The Mass Effect universe is amazing, vibrant, alive, the species are fascinating and I want to know more about all of them, the people are for the most part well realized and interesting, the story is epic, and it plays very well into my love of science/fantasy with a touch of hard science thrown in here and there.

The ending may be somewhat of a downer, even if my Shepard survives (and he will, at least my canon one, anyway), but the rest of the games are still very fun for me.

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I'll grant that you removed the whole "galactic dark age" thing, but it was done in such a manner that it came across as petulant. Garrus and Tali were going to starve? Fine, we'll toss a crate of food on board instead of dealing with the bigger issue. The Mass Relays are going to blow up most inhabited solar systems in the galaxy? Fine, they now break apart instead of blowing up. The players want a choice besides RGB? Ok, we put a new ending in. You lose if you pick it. (And let me just say here that I feel it's telling that many people pick Refuse ANYWAY.) Catalyst is the most hated character we've ever made? You automatically trigger the You Lose ending if you shoot him. Everywhere were little tiny changes that technically met the requests people were making, without making any actual changes.


I'm not sure I'd classify these things as being changes at all; they're more like clearing up some things that fans weren't interpreting as intended. For instance, relays blowing up systems didn't happen in the cases of Earth and the jungle planet. Bio seems to have been caught flat-footed by people assuming that this was happening to planets that they don't see when they saw it not happening to the planets they did see. Refuse is just a glorified Game Over screen, which the original game had in case of player Refusal (unless you figure the timer was there to punish slow players?). And I'm honestly not sure what crate of food you're talking about.

I suppose my interpretation would make things even worse from your standpoint, since the way I see it Bio didn't even make token changes.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...
I'll grant that you removed the whole "galactic dark age" thing, but it was done in such a manner that it came across as petulant. Garrus and Tali were going to starve? Fine, we'll toss a crate of food on board instead of dealing with the bigger issue. The Mass Relays are going to blow up most inhabited solar systems in the galaxy? Fine, they now break apart instead of blowing up. The players want a choice besides RGB? Ok, we put a new ending in. You lose if you pick it. (And let me just say here that I feel it's telling that many people pick Refuse ANYWAY.) Catalyst is the most hated character we've ever made? You automatically trigger the You Lose ending if you shoot him. Everywhere were little tiny changes that technically met the requests people were making, without making any actual changes.


I'm not sure I'd classify these things as being changes at all; they're more like clearing up some things that fans weren't interpreting as intended. For instance, relays blowing up systems didn't happen in the cases of Earth and the jungle planet. Bio seems to have been caught flat-footed by people assuming that this was happening to planets that they don't see when they saw it not happening to the planets they did see. Refuse is just a glorified Game Over screen, which the original game had in case of player Refusal (unless you figure the timer was there to punish slow players?). And I'm honestly not sure what crate of food you're talking about.

I suppose my interpretation would make things even worse from your standpoint, since the way I see it Bio didn't even make token changes.


The Arrival DLC, which introduced the idea that exploding Mass Relay = system dead, was created during the time frame that ME3 was being made. The DLC hammered that point home, as did several ingame mentions and a codex entry. To say that they had no idea people would reach that conclusion is to be disingenuous. Not to mention: the original endings didn't have anything that could be for-sure interpreted as an all-clear. The last time we see Earth, it's after the Crucible goes off, but before the Charon Relay goes up. As for Gilligan's Planet, I don't know how well you remember that early time period, but no one knew for sure whether Joker was in FTL or a Mass Relay corridor, and that point was hotly debated. If Joker was in FTL, then it was entirely possible that that planet wasn't in a system with a relay. One final point; if you watch the Arrival cinematic side-by-side with the original ME3 ending cinematic, we see an explosion from both relays, the explosion spreading, and then ME3 cuts away a split second before the Arrival cinematic goes KABOOOM!. It was this final explosion which was the deadly one.

Refuse is indeed currently a glorified game over screen, which I believe I stated in my post. :crying: The point I was trying to make was that there was no reason why it HAD to be a game over screen, when it could have just as easily been an alternate ending in its own right. Bioware chose to make it as it was.

Somewhere in the EC, a crate of dextro food is now shipped to the Normandy prior to it crashing. I don't remember where you get it, since I only saw the EC over my bf's shoulder and some short clips on Youtube. To be honest, the only reason I remember it at all was because of the disbelieving eyeroll it evoked. If you like, I'll withdraw that comment since I can't remember enough details about it, and I'm sure as frell not interested in Youtubing the EC just to find the spot.



EDIT: And no, it doesn't actually make it worse in my opinion. I could almost have admired the nerve it would have taken to give a brassy FU rather than the passive-aggressive FU we actually got. And either one, I'm not currently (and likely never again) a paying customer, so it makes little difference in that regard.

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 08 janvier 2013 - 08:59 .


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Reth Shepherd wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...
I'll grant that you removed the whole "galactic dark age" thing, but it was done in such a manner that it came across as petulant. Garrus and Tali were going to starve? Fine, we'll toss a crate of food on board instead of dealing with the bigger issue. The Mass Relays are going to blow up most inhabited solar systems in the galaxy? Fine, they now break apart instead of blowing up. The players want a choice besides RGB? Ok, we put a new ending in. You lose if you pick it. (And let me just say here that I feel it's telling that many people pick Refuse ANYWAY.) Catalyst is the most hated character we've ever made? You automatically trigger the You Lose ending if you shoot him. Everywhere were little tiny changes that technically met the requests people were making, without making any actual changes.


I'm not sure I'd classify these things as being changes at all; they're more like clearing up some things that fans weren't interpreting as intended. For instance, relays blowing up systems didn't happen in the cases of Earth and the jungle planet. Bio seems to have been caught flat-footed by people assuming that this was happening to planets that they don't see when they saw it not happening to the planets they did see. Refuse is just a glorified Game Over screen, which the original game had in case of player Refusal (unless you figure the timer was there to punish slow players?). And I'm honestly not sure what crate of food you're talking about.

I suppose my interpretation would make things even worse from your standpoint, since the way I see it Bio didn't even make token changes.


The Arrival DLC, which introduced the idea that exploding Mass Relay = system dead, was created during the time frame that ME3 was being made. The DLC hammered that point home, as did several ingame mentions and a codex entry. To say that they had no idea people would reach that conclusion is to be disingenuous. Not to mention: the original endings didn't have anything that could be for-sure interpreted as an all-clear. The last time we see Earth, it's after the Crucible goes off, but before the Charon Relay goes up. As for Gilligan's Planet, I don't know how well you remember that early time period, but no one knew for sure whether Joker was in FTL or a Mass Relay corridor, and that point was hotly debated. If Joker was in FTL, then it was entirely possible that that planet wasn't in a system with a relay. One final point; if you watch the Arrival cinematic side-by-side with the original ME3 ending cinematic, we see an explosion from both relays, the explosion spreading, and then ME3 cuts away a split second before the Arrival cinematic goes KABOOOM!. It was this final explosion which was the deadly one.

Refuse is indeed currently a glorified game over screen, which I believe I stated in my post. :crying: The point I was trying to make was that there was no reason why it HAD to be a game over screen, when it could have just as easily been an alternate ending in its own right. Bioware chose to make it as it was.

Somewhere in the EC, a crate of dextro food is now shipped to the Normandy prior to it crashing. I don't remember where you get it, since I only saw the EC over my bf's shoulder and some short clips on Youtube. To be honest, the only reason I remember it at all was because of the disbelieving eyeroll it invoked. If you like, I'll withdraw that comment since I can't remember enough details about it, and I'm sure as frell not interested in Youtubing the EC just to find the spot.


Well in the lead up too the Extended Cut one of the developers (Gamble i think) stated they were genuine surprised by how attached players were too the characters. Eventhough boards like the Romance and Character forums always had very high traffic. So there seemed too be some dissonance between the expectations of the developers and reality. Or perhaps they didn't expect people too tie up all the loose ends that were left hanging at the end of the vanilla endings eventhough they were going for "lots of speculations".

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Pretty much, I've lost interest in the most important aspect (the story). I'm still interested in dissecting and taking apart what a colossal disaster the story became after Mass Effect 1 and discussing just how disappointing the series ultimately was despite an incredible first entry.

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Not really, but it is waning. The modding community is really the only thing keeping my enthusiasm for the series alive.


Sadly this, I'm hoping BioWare do something to restore this mess.

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After I finished ME3 and nabbed all the achievements and did some MP I got rid of it. It was before the EC, and I was pretty shocked at how it ended. I just watched the EC stuff on youtube and it didn't do it for me personally. I clearly didn't lose interest, if so I would be doing something else right now and not have hang around these parts. I could play through all three and have a good time still.

I would stop at the beam rush though, cause me in that situation would be like "F that, you guys are on crack if you think I am running head on into a beam." So that's where my story ends for it I guess. It is right there with the Uncharted series for my favorite of this gen though. I'll give them credit for doing all that, there is no way that is easy making something of the scale they went for, and all that rendering and testing, it is quite an accomplishment they should be proud of.

Wish it ended with more *PEW PEW* with that ME2 feel but it seems to be what it is. ME4 is a maybe, I never say never. I wish the ending worked in my head so I could like it. Tried to wrap my mind around it, just can't get it to compute. : (

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Well at the moment I am under the delusion that the super secret omega alpha sovereign 2.0 indoctrinating ending is still development. So... until there are no more DLCs I am here for the time being. And maybe lurking if a expansion is announce or when we get some news on ME4.

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IntoTheDarkness wrote...




That's me. 

I had been a huge fan of ME series ever since ME1 came out until I played the Extended Cut of ME3. The game was sensational in so many levels and its narative quality was a culmination of years of Bioware's RPG development experience.

However, when I played EC and saw the infamous Normandy landing scene where Harbinger completely ignores it, I couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing. While I understand the DLC is free gift to fans from devs, they could have easily made the sceen to make sense only by making Normandy appear after Harbinger has left  and evacuate survivors from a distance to the beam.

During the beam run, Shepard could have exchanged a last good bye and left his squadmates to evacuate to a safe place where Normandy picks them up afterwards. Why did they have to insert Normandy in a cut-scene it does not belong to and make everything so absurd?


I'm sorry, but that is completely unfair to the team, and insulting.

They can not do any scene 'easily'.

Lets take  a breif look at  some of the things the animation team(for example) has to do:


- Every single angle of the body has to move in sync with lighting, textures,and  the position of the camera.
- In scenes: models and objects need to change slightly by second, and and keyframes need to be animated perfectly. - The number of keyframes: 60 frames per second, 10 minitues of animation,  That's 600 seconds of animation they have to go through. ) Now imagine one scene not coming out right....
- Animation-Staff need to cross-check with eachother, and if  one persons work is off than: various changes need to be made across seperate files and you have to go through all those ' lovely' key-frames again.
-Even when all of the above is done, then they usally do a few draft-renders (And depending on computer capacity that can take an hour, and upwards).
- And they have to make sure the  timeing of the animations work , on all platforms.

So please don't claim any scene can be done 'easily' that's just bloody insulting.

Modifié par Yuqi, 08 janvier 2013 - 09:41 .


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No. It would be unfair to say I lost all interest in ME. I lost interest to replay the whole trilogy for the time being, but I still like the franchise. And then there is MP of course...Image IPB

Modifié par Aetika, 08 janvier 2013 - 09:41 .


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I sold all my ME games a few months ago, thinking i was done, and then something strange happened. I started to feel like i HAD to buy the trilogy and play it again. So for my birthday coming up, i'm buying the Trilogy, and will spend a few months playing it.

So, quite honestly, yes, i'm still invested.

And Bioware, at least you still have one fan, right? But if you make ME4 an MMO, you'll lose me. So don't do that, 'kay?

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That depends to be honest. I love the ME Universe and the ME series, it could've very easily become our generations Star Wars or Star Trek. However, because of a greedy, power hungry cooperation that couldn't give the final game the time it needed, it fell short.

I still have a clear interest in the ME series, but for me, the game ended at Priority Earth. That's how I'd rather remember it.

I'll continue to buy ME DLC, I'll continue to read the fanfiction, I'll continue to be a part of the forums. But there's no point in lieing, unless ME4 recaptures the original Magic of ME1 and DA:O? I don't see much future for me in this series.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?



:devil:


Been saying the same thing for a long time now chris. If they really didnt care about the ME universe they wouldnt be on the forums 9 months after launch.

I'm very pleased with how much this game has given me since I bought it and can't wait for more bioware games and dlc

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^^^^^ i sold the game yet im still here, more than likely thats through force of habit and it's pretty easy to access on my phone....also since i dont have the game anymore i at least get to see peoples reactions to dlc of which i can then see if it's interesting enough to make me buy the game again........they havent but maybe the next supposed( all hands on deck) dlc can.............

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ME3 was a disappointment and managed to do a lot of damage but it didn't kill my interest in the universe and the earlier two games. I am still a fan of ME1, ME2 and a lot of other stuff they entail. However, I am not hopeful for the future of this franchise, or Bioware for that matter.

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So, the last thread asking Priestly questions about and commenting on the ban of IT discussion got locked the moment it could be declared "spam" because of some nonsense posts in a row?!

Whatever...


Yuqi wrote...

I'm sorry, but that is completely unfair to the team, and insulting.

They can not do any scene 'easily'.

Lets take  a breif look at  some of the things the animation team(for example) has to do:

*snip*

So please don't claim any scene can be done 'easily' that's just bloody insulting.


What he means was that the effort the animation folks etc put into making the scene (which I believe nobody questions they did) could as well have been put into creating a scene that makes a lick of sense. That would have been the responsibility of the writing team... let's not go there...

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?



:devil:

I think he wants his voice heard, he wants his voice heard by the Bioware team.  He thinks they have screwed up, so he just wants to correct them.

God, videogames were so much different back in the 90s. No one was complaining about the ****ass jump button mapping on Double Dragon 2.

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Grand Wazoo wrote...

ME3 was a disappointment and managed to do a lot of damage but it didn't kill my interest in the universe and the earlier two games. I am still a fan of ME1, ME2 and a lot of other stuff they entail. However, I am not hopeful for the future of this franchise, or Bioware for that matter.


That about wraps up how I feel. Not to mention a hefty helping of disappointment and sadness.

It's been awhile since I've posted on these forums, and even longer since I've even looked at any of my ME games. Of course I'm still interested in the ME universe. Mainly in seeing it fixed. Shep deserves better than that ridiculous ending. Seeing as how that's unlikly at this point my main interest has shifted to imagining what Mass Effect *could* have been.

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ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?



:devil:

I think he wants his voice heard, he wants his voice heard by the Bioware team.  He thinks they have screwed up, so he just wants to correct them.

God, videogames were so much different back in the 90s. No one was complaining about the ****ass jump button mapping on Double Dragon 2.


The good old daysImage IPB. Still you can consider that a positive thing. Videogames as a media outlet have grown up and can now be considered on par with movies/television/books etc. And therefor can trigger the same reactions from audiences.

Albeit that said the Wing Commander series among others in the 90's were already brushing up against other mediaforms due too actor involvement and high quality cutscenes. Maybe the lack of internet and through that a lack of a soapbox created a less vocal environment.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:14 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Not really, but it is waning. The modding community is really the only thing keeping my enthusiasm for the series alive.


Sadly this, I'm hoping BioWare do something to restore this mess.


Restore the mess? No thanks. Any mess should be only ended and forgotten.

The modding community is the only thing that breaks game license agreement to please a small group of people, who want more than game was designed to offer.

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Have friends here and have a "privilege" to post.


More or less my point : +1

And I didn't bought any dlc or anything related to ME3 since the release of the game.

Following the mods scene too : MEE and MEHEE...

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JPR out!

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I played only one time till the end and played the final part to make new choices given by Starchild and the intro too. EC was ok... best final scene for me is the "SO BE IT" one. For me its the only one that makes sense to Sheppard. IT would be fantastic, too bad its killed... I want to replay so bad, I want to buy the DLCs, but knowing the end makes me not, so im waiting for a miracle to change the problems...

But I got to say this too: ME3 is a very good game, I had a lot of fun. I liked the combat, most of the story, the graphics and much more. I enjoyed all three games. ME 1 and 2 I got 200 hours of gameplay each. ME 3 was a better game for me, during first gameplay I saw miself making new classes and all, but the habinger scene till the end killed it...

Bad points: Short game, DLCs could change signicantly the end, starchild.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?



:devil:


What the man said, I also found ME3 abit of a shame, EC partially fixed it but not entirely. Still I love the series. And what the man said...if you don't like it wtf are you still doing out here.

I kept my distance for a while now from these forums just because it's starting to look like a Hezbollah blog againt ME3.

Don't like the game ? Find another, I can reccomend Far Cry 3, then again, I still love Mass Effect. 

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I'll never understand how someone can simply lose all interest in this amazing series just because of a small portion of it. I imagine the Mass Effect ending not as the last minutes, which are indeed a low-point to the series, but the entire third game of the series as the finale. I didn't even need a choice in the ending, or the entire Crucible thing. When I reach Shepard's speech to the team (and i got there 3 times already) i'm already satisfied. I spent hundreds of hours on this series and it's ridiculously easy to imagine a final battle with all the War Assets i have collected, all the interesting characters i have met and all the teamates i grew to like and love.

If this is the community that created and spread the IT, how hard can it be to close your eyes and imagine the biggest fleet in the galaxy kicking the crap out of the reaper Forces, while Krogans, Turians, Rachni and all the other races engage the ground forces on Earth, Palaven, Thessia and so on?

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Go to the Multiplayer forum. You will find plenty of "disgruntled" players who no longer care about the story/characters/universe but just play the MP for the combat and other things. Personally, I have played aboout 600+ hours of the MP but only finished 1 playthrough of the SP.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 08 janvier 2013 - 02:01 .