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[RocketManSR2]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Go to the Multiplayer forum. You will find plenty of "disgruntled" players who no longer care about the story/characters/universe but just play the MP for the combat and other things. Personally, I have played aboout 600+ hours of the MP but only finished 1 playthrough of the SP.

This post makes me very, very sad.

- I fear the worst for all future BioWare games.
- Seriously, BioWare, wtf happened to you? Your games used to stand out. Now you're just another horde mode.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 08 janvier 2013 - 02:18 .

[cgtrfghj7]

The first three months of this year was a rollercoaster ride for me.

I bought ME1 for Christmas and played through it in January. Then ME2 right after and shortly after, joined BSN to further indulge myself in the ME universe. Played through them 2 more times each before ME3.
I was, personally, pretty disgusted by ME3 as a whole. Only played through it twice and haven't gotten any of the DLC.

[Xellith]

I havent bought any of the DLC and nor do I intend to. I stick around to see what Bioware does next in regards to DLC and statements that are made by Bioware and its employees - and then see if any of those statements hold any water.  (Such as Omega being "Strong".)

Since the dlc's doesnt really change anything I can just youtube them if I so choose.  I mean Bioware wanted a more scenematic experience with more autodialogue.  That just means its easier to watch on youtube since there are barely any choices to make.  This is what Bioware wanted right? 

Id happily leave if someone was to refund me what I paid for ME3.  Just sayin.

Modifié par Xellith, 08 janvier 2013 - 02:37 .

[Mastone]

Yuqi wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...




That's me. 

I had been a huge fan of ME series ever since ME1 came out until I played the Extended Cut of ME3. The game was sensational in so many levels and its narative quality was a culmination of years of Bioware's RPG development experience.

However, when I played EC and saw the infamous Normandy landing scene where Harbinger completely ignores it, I couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing. While I understand the DLC is free gift to fans from devs, they could have easily made the sceen to make sense only by making Normandy appear after Harbinger has left  and evacuate survivors from a distance to the beam.

During the beam run, Shepard could have exchanged a last good bye and left his squadmates to evacuate to a safe place where Normandy picks them up afterwards. Why did they have to insert Normandy in a cut-scene it does not belong to and make everything so absurd?

I'm sorry, but that is completely unfair to the team, and insulting.

They can not do any scene 'easily'.

Lets take  a breif look at  some of the things the animation team(for example) has to do:


- Every single angle of the body has to move in sync with lighting, textures,and  the position of the camera.
- In scenes: models and objects need to change slightly by second, and and keyframes need to be animated perfectly. - The number of keyframes: 60 frames per second, 10 minitues of animation,  That's 600 seconds of animation they have to go through. ) Now imagine one scene not coming out right....
- Animation-Staff need to cross-check with eachother, and if  one persons work is off than: various changes need to be made across seperate files and you have to go through all those ' lovely' key-frames again.
-Even when all of the above is done, then they usally do a few draft-renders (And depending on computer capacity that can take an hour, and upwards).
- And they have to make sure the  timeing of the animations work , on all platforms.

So please don't claim any scene can be done 'easily' that's just bloody insulting.

LOL You think each and every individual is talking with each other all the time on what they are doing?
You obviously have no idea on how a pipeline works, if they are smart they have versioning in their pipeline which makes sure that the animators are working on the right models and rigs, furthermore there is a structure in place  where a lead is telling everyone what to do and on top of that they have a quality assurance department and probably some testers as well to filter out the huge bugs.
Secondly I know a fair share of 3D and VFX myself ( I have working knowledge of MAYA, ZBRUSH, MARI, PS, NUKE and RENDERMAN) so I can confirm that it takes forever to create a decent looking model and a lot of skill too, so creating a superb looking  model and world is really an achievement in itself....but  nobody is complaining on how animations or models in itself look.
It is where the "artistic story"ultimately goes what's bothering people

[lazuli]

Rotacioskapa wrote...

I'll wait and see if they fix the ending fiasco in the next ME game (they can easily fix it if they really want to). If not then i'm done with ME universe.

This is more or less my stance.  The universe is what kept me with the series until ME2 came out, and the gameplay could speak for itself.  With ME3, the gameplay regressed into an unbalanced mess (lolNOVAlolCHARGElolNOVAlolCHARGE).  And the ending just shattered the universe they had established.

So if the next game looks promising, I'll keep following the Mass Effect series.  But I didn't like the direction the ending took, what with the glowing child and all.

I would have preferred bittersweet endings like many of the DA:O ones to the mess that we received.

[crimzontearz]

I have not lost interest

I am just afraid to be invested emotionally again and be kicked in the balls with a smile.....again

[HolyAvenger]

I'm disappointed by the ending, but curious about where they'll go from here. I still think the universe has a lot to offer.

[LucasShark]

I have very little interest left.

On the one hand: all 3 endings deliver universes I don't really want to play in... well: save destroy but then my SHepard is a mass murderer.

On the other: Just about everything I loved about Mass Effect to begin with (both in-universe and gameplay) was more or less removed or destroyed in Mass Effect 3... so there's no investment there either.

The last factor is the most crippling: I can't become invested anymore. I can't lose myself in the experience anymore after this much of a let-down.

I also fear for the aims of future games in the series: apparently what Mass Effect was going to be supposedly, doesn't matter anymore.  If ME3 is any indication, the next one will be a bog-standard third or first person shooter, without a challenging thought or action between start screen and end credits.  A mass effect game in the same sense Angry Birds: Starwars is set in the Starwars universe.

Modifié par LucasShark, 08 janvier 2013 - 03:07 .

[Tasker]

I decided a while ago that even though ME3 is atrocious. As i've gotten all of the achivements for the first 2 games, i'd like them all for the third and as a result I'm going to buy the DLC whenever it's on sale.

Then, when the last of the DLC has been released. I'm going to do my second playthrough and get all of the achievements that I missed on my one and only playthrough so far.

After that, Bioware will be pretty much dead to me.

[Reth Shepherd]

Seival wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Not really, but it is waning. The modding community is really the only thing keeping my enthusiasm for the series alive.

Sadly this, I'm hoping BioWare do something to restore this mess.

Restore the mess? No thanks. Any mess should be only ended and forgotten.

The modding community is the only thing that breaks game license agreement to please a small group of people, who want more than game was designed to offer.

Since Mr. Priestly is back, I think I'll ask him about the current possibility of releasing the modding tools. Given the amount of fan replayability and enthusiasm MEHEM has generated, I think it's safe to say that a full ending mod (or twelve) would do even more. The release of the tools would also paint Bioware in a somewhat better light than recently.

Oh, and Seival: while your post is worded in a very dog-in-the-manger manner, that is precisely what modding IS! It is for people, for whatever reason, who want something that was not in the vanilla game; whether it's a new ending, a new squadmate, a reskinned squadmate, fixing that d*mned bug where you get stuck behind Joker's seat, or just want to paint the Normandy hot pink. Have you ever heard of Skyrim? They released modding tools and told players to go to town. The result is a thriving community and extensive replayability due to there always being something new to go do or create. It was bascially the devs saying, 'this is our story, now go show us your version'!

[Chris Priestly]

Sorry, we won't be releasing official modding tools. Not all of the tools we used to make ME3 are owned by BioWare/EA so we do not have the rights to release them to the public. If fans want to mod the game thats fine (as long as done within legal guidelines and not-for-profit) but we won't be releasing any tools.

[dreamgazer]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Have you ever heard of Skyrim? They released modding tools and told players to go to town. The result is a thriving community and extensive replayability due to there always being something new to go do or create. It was bascially the devs saying, 'this is our story, now go show us your version'!

Yeah, but that's been in Bethesda's DNA for a long time though, and the Elder Scrolls games are intentional blank slates. 

[clarkusdarkus]

Xellith wrote...

I havent bought any of the DLC and nor do I intend to. I stick around to see what Bioware does next in regards to DLC and statements that are made by Bioware and its employees - and then see if any of those statements hold any water.  (Such as Omega being "Strong".)

Since the dlc's doesnt really change anything I can just youtube them if I so choose.  I mean Bioware wanted a more scenematic experience with more autodialogue.  That just means its easier to watch on youtube since there are barely any choices to make.  This is what Bioware wanted right? 

Id happily leave if someone was to refund me what I paid for ME3.  Just sayin.

i'm in this boat which is sailing further and further away from biowares shores every dlc release, im still sticking around through force of habit over the last 10 months and also it has saved me money else i would have bought all the dlc for ME3 had i not been around.....so if anything its been productive as in money management.......ME3 was always catered towards the combat hence action mode and MP being successfull......and watching leviathan/omega on youtube reassured me that i chose well not to buy them..  

[Creepter]

I wouldn't say that I've lost all interest, just that a lot of the passion I once had is now gone.

I did pick up the Trilogy pack so I could do a complete run through the series with one Shepard and I've picked up some of the comics after the release of the EC, so I wouldn't say that there is no interest. But it's complicated.

[Reth Shepherd]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry, we won't be releasing official modding tools. Not all of the tools we used to make ME3 are owned by BioWare/EA so we do not have the rights to release them to the public. If fans want to mod the game thats fine (as long as done within legal guidelines and not-for-profit) but we won't be releasing any tools.

Pardon the ignorance (I'm not a modder myself), but what tools DO you have the rights to? Even a limited toolbox would seem to be better than the current lack of toolbox.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry, we won't be releasing official modding tools. Not all of the tools we used to make ME3 are owned by BioWare/EA so we do not have the rights to release them to the public. If fans want to mod the game thats fine (as long as done within legal guidelines and not-for-profit) but we won't be releasing any tools.

And there goes Sevial's hopes and dreams of getting Mr.Fob banned and/or sued by bioware.

[Seboist]

wiggles89 wrote...

No. I lost most of my interest in the ME universe after I read the leaks.

+1

[element eater]

mass effect is a strange beast to me the third game and ending realy dissapointed but i think liked ME to much beforhand to give up completely it isnt even all that much that hinders my enjoyment of it. it would take very little for it to win back my favour.

although i must say i find it baffling that bioware seem to have made such stand about not giving alot if people what they want

Modifié par element eater, 08 janvier 2013 - 06:23 .

[twirpdk]

I seriously doubt anyone still checking this forum has lost interest.

I think a lot of people love the franchise(like me), but was disappointed with the lost opportunities in ME3, and continues reading the forum in the hope that future releases will make it better.

Had ME3 been granted 12-18 months further development, i'm quite certain it would have been the game of the century.

Modifié par twirpdk, 08 janvier 2013 - 06:39 .

[Reorte]

element eater wrote...

mass effect is a strange beast to me the third game and ending realy dissapointed but i think liked ME to much beforhand to give up completely it isnt even all that much that hinders my enjoyment of it. it would take very little for it to win back my favour.

although i must say i find it baffling that bioware seem to have made such stand about not giving alot if people what they want

That's pretty much how I feel, although after several months the disappointment has faded. If I hadn't found MP a surprisingly good addition (the one thing I didn't want and one of the few that I liked) I'd have probably abandoned it long ago. These days the bad bits of ME3 are long enough in my memory that I can enjoy the rest of Mass Effect again, although it's not the same knowing where it ends up even if I don't play that part. There's still plenty of potential left in it to rescue and it's worth rescuing.

[michal9o90]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?

Because its free forum? and anyone can share his feelings? What's the point share feelings on some others forums, Biwoare forum is for this game, and for good and bad opinions... With this comment you showing how you only trying keep good reviews about this stupid ending, they pay you for this? IntoTheDarkness have absolutely right, maybe i'm not so much depressed like he, but even with Extended Cut i can't force myself to play again ME3, like i played over ten times ME1, Only this Happy ending mode MEHEM keep up my interest in ME3.

PS: I enjoy only MultiPlayer

Modifié par michal9o90, 08 janvier 2013 - 07:26 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

EA won't see a cent from me unless there's at least one of these options:

1. Refusal Victory: Reject the starchild and win on our own terms. It's the way Duke Nukem would've done it. It's the way Solid Snake would have done it. It's the way Luke Skywalker and Master Yoda would have done it.

2. Crucible Victory: Remove the starchild and stargazer scenes entirely. Have the crucible destroy the Reapers, but spare EDI and the geth.

3. Find Shepard: Post-Destroy ending DLC.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 08 janvier 2013 - 07:28 .

[SpamBot2000]

I have lost all interest in the ME universe as it stands after the ME3 ending, yeah. That's why I keep telling BioWare to change the damn thing, to help me and a lot of people who feel the same way to get interested in it again. I want to be excited about Mass Effect again. I freaking loved the thing. And BW for some arcane reason cannot seem to grasp that they ruined it for a lot of people with the nonsense that was meant as the end of the setting. I'm talking 'magic in space' putting circuits on leaves, while Shepard commits suicide to enable this wonderful Reaper vision, if that for some reason wasn't clear.

If BW do in fact understand this, how about they acknowledge that the message has at least been received for once? Because I sure have never seem 'em do this much for us.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 08 janvier 2013 - 07:42 .

[michal9o90]

@Neverwinter_Knight77 you exaggerating, destroying reapers mean destroy EDI, EDI is based on reaper code, and crucible could destroy only reapers code, so not destroying geths.....well.........properly considering this crucible atack i still no have idea why the **** its destroying geths, because this red wave didnt destroyed our all technology, crucible atack have to base on reapers code for disactived them, so same thing for EDI, but why GETHS? This is next Bioware Space Magic.