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[Dr_Extrem]

michal9o90 wrote...

@Neverwinter_Knight77 you exaggerating, destroying reapers mean destroy EDI, EDI is based on reaper code, and crucible could destroy only reapers code, so not destroying geths.....well.........properly considering this crucible atack i still no have idea why the **** its destroying geths, because this red wave didnt destroyed our all technology, crucible atack have to base on reapers code for disactived them, so same thing for EDI, but why GETHS? This is next Bioware Space Magic.

loophole:

the geth and edi are purly synthetic - the reapers are organic/synthetic hybrids.

the wave could destroy only reaperized dna or their organic parts - edi and the geth would survive this. it woule not go against the lore, because we dont know what the crucible does.

[michal9o90]

@Dr_Extrem Well, but think of it, if crucible atack dont base on reapers code, it simply destroy all organic life, ONE WHAT WE KNOW IS IT: (THIS CRUCIBLE IS VERRY SIMPLE DEVICE, WHICH JUST ADD SOME NEW OPTIONS FOR CITADEL) this is what saying this kid. So i think this device cant, do some such things like separated, reaper's organic parts from normal organic LIFE, DNA reapers cant be one, all rapers was made from so much races, that one DNA cant exist for reapers.

Only way for destroying reapers is based on their AI code What makes me crazy about Why the fu*k this crucible destroying Geths.

Modifié par michal9o90, 08 janvier 2013 - 08:22 .

[Dr_Extrem]

michal9o90 wrote...

@Dr_Extrem Well, but think of it, if crucible atack dont base on reapers code, it simply destroy all organic life, ONE WHAT WE KNOW IS IT: (THIS CRUCIBLE IS VERRY SIMPLE DEVICE, WHICH JUST ADD SOME NEW OPTIONS FOR CITADEL) this is what saying this kid. So i think this device cant, do some such things like separated, reaper's organic parts from normal organic LIFE, DNA reapers cant be one, all rapers was made from so much races, that one DNA cant exist for reapers.

Only way for destroying reapers is based on their AI code

well .. in control, shep-ai controls the geth and edi as well ..

oh snap!


the catalyst can choose to destroy the reapers only - it just does not want to. vendetta hangs in the plot - it was the prothenas addition to the design. vendetta overwrites the catalyst and chooses to destroy the reapers only.

job done, lets get home and clean up.

[Maniccc]

I lost interest before the EC came out.  The EC failed to re-kindle my interest.  BW will have to do something remarkable with ME in the future if they want my money.

[Aunrielle]

Even though I was very depressed by the original endings the EC has restored my faith. If anything my Mass Effect obsession has increased rather than decreased. I still love the series and I can't wait for more.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Completely? No. It's still an interesting IP with lots of good sci-fi elements, even if it did get mixed up in some weird pseudo-religious and fantasy-like plot devices in ME3 (and to a lesser extent ME2).

Am I over the games themselves? Pretty much. I'd agree with the OP in this regard; between the sloppy plot devices in ME3 and the original ending, I just don't see much point in playing through that material again. The EC made it feel better and look prettier, but still did nothing for the plot elements I disliked.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 janvier 2013 - 08:41 .

[VintageUtti]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Go to the Multiplayer forum. You will find plenty of "disgruntled" players who no longer care about the story/characters/universe but just play the MP for the combat and other things. Personally, I have played aboout 600+ hours of the MP but only finished 1 playthrough of the SP.

I'm in a similar boat. I've done 2.5 playthroughs (2 were with the same import but different difficulties for the achievement), but I've spent 450+ hours in MP. If this game had no MP the disc would be gathering dust. Kind of ironic since last year I was worried about the multiplayer taking away from the single-player when the MP is what makes the full price purchase worth it.

Agree with others in that it's a weird relationship. ME3 was my most anticipated video game but the ending broke my heart. But I still hang around BSN because I've met some cool peeps and it's nice to talk to other people who were just as passionate about the series. Misery loves company I guess. I only finally managed to boot up ME1 again for the first time since beating ME3, with the intention of replaying the entire series, game capturing all the great moments, and then editing the videos together to give my Shepard the proper ending she deserves. Later on if I have the time, then maybe I can finally try out some of the fantastic ending mods that people have created. Or maybe just move on to a completely new game.

Honestly it's a testament to how good the previous games were and how passionate they were about the 3rd game that people who hated the ending still post discussion topics here. When the fans stop arguing is when they no longer care, and that's when companies should be worried.

[crowi83]

Lost interest after seeing the out-of-the-box endings. Thought EC was an okayish try to save face, but after loading my old saves to see it, lost interest again.

I dunno how you guys allowed "artistic integrity" of a few people drive this entire franchise to ruin. Hope it was worth it. Well, at least I'm saving hundreds of Euros for it.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

If the Crucible was just some kind of powerful artillery instead of a godly magical device, we could destroy the Reapers without harming EDI or any other synthetics.

[The Geth Spectre]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

If the Crucible was just some kind of powerful artillery instead of a godly magical device, we could destroy the Reapers without harming EDI or any other synthetics.

Agreed thats what the Crucible should have been like a giant Thanix cannon that tears apart reapers.

[Yuqi]

Mastone wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...




That's me. 

I had been a huge fan of ME series ever since ME1 came out until I played the Extended Cut of ME3. The game was sensational in so many levels and its narative quality was a culmination of years of Bioware's RPG development experience.

However, when I played EC and saw the infamous Normandy landing scene where Harbinger completely ignores it, I couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing. While I understand the DLC is free gift to fans from devs, they could have easily made the sceen to make sense only by making Normandy appear after Harbinger has left  and evacuate survivors from a distance to the beam.

During the beam run, Shepard could have exchanged a last good bye and left his squadmates to evacuate to a safe place where Normandy picks them up afterwards. Why did they have to insert Normandy in a cut-scene it does not belong to and make everything so absurd?

I'm sorry, but that is completely unfair to the team, and insulting.

They can not do any scene 'easily'.

Lets take  a breif look at  some of the things the animation team(for example) has to do:


- Every single angle of the body has to move in sync with lighting, textures,and  the position of the camera.
- In scenes: models and objects need to change slightly by second, and and keyframes need to be animated perfectly. - The number of keyframes: 60 frames per second, 10 minitues of animation,  That's 600 seconds of animation they have to go through. ) Now imagine one scene not coming out right....
- Animation-Staff need to cross-check with eachother, and if  one persons work is off than: various changes need to be made across seperate files and you have to go through all those ' lovely' key-frames again.
-Even when all of the above is done, then they usally do a few draft-renders (And depending on computer capacity that can take an hour, and upwards).
- And they have to make sure the  timeing of the animations work , on all platforms.

So please don't claim any scene can be done 'easily' that's just bloody insulting.

LOL You think each and every individual is talking with each other all the time on what they are doing?
You obviously have no idea on how a pipeline works, if they are smart they have versioning in their pipeline which makes sure that the animators are working on the right models and rigs, furthermore there is a structure in place  where a lead is telling everyone what to do and on top of that they have a quality assurance department and probably some testers as well to filter out the huge bugs.
Secondly I know a fair share of 3D and VFX myself ( I have working knowledge of MAYA, ZBRUSH, MARI, PS, NUKE and RENDERMAN) so I can confirm that it takes forever to create a decent looking model and a lot of skill too, so creating a superb looking  model and world is really an achievement in itself....but  nobody is complaining on how animations or models in itself look.
It is where the "artistic story"ultimately goes what's bothering people

I never claimed they were talking to eachother all the time on what they are doing but: basic comunication is maintained within relevant areas, even if it is slack.

 I do know how a pipeline works, but I also know  that pipelines get dysfunctional: staff take shortcuts, upper mangement gets lazy/overworked, areas  can be under-staffed, resources get stretched, and a fu*k up at the highest levels dribbles down the pipeline.

Some companies have great structure, no doubt about it, but:  none of them do not suffer from the above at some time.

[Harorrd]

The story is garbage, but the Character design from Mass effect 1 is the only thing that motivates me

[Dominus]

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I haven't necessarily given up on the universe, and have chosen to wait and see what Casey & The Funky Bunch decide to come up with for the inevitable Mass Effect 4. Until said time, I've migrated over towards the Dragon Age: Inquisition Forums and haunt Off-Topic. I still liked ME3, it felt somewhere between an 8.75 and a 9.25.

I will admit though that my interest waned more from the last than the first 2. Mass Effect's first threw me for a loop with the well made alien designs, gorgeous backdrops(Virmire, Ilos), and strange combination of Third-Person Shooting and Role-Playing elements. It wasn't necessarily a flawless gem - the combat had a clunkiness reminiscent of V:tmB, but I still had a blast nevertheless.

The second shaved off all the unnecessaries that came with the first, and refined it to near-perfection. I think ME3 brought the combat as close to perfect as its going to get. I would've liked to see a greater focus(and more unique takes) on verticality and the other new elements, but it was still solid as is.

Mass Effect 3 was a fantastic game, but the quantity of issues besides the ending was enough to hurt it. I'm not asking the developers "HEY, be perfect of else". I ask them "Please, try to take from what we've mentioned and learn from it". Or at least the feedback that doesn't sound insane or absurd.

On a related note, I joyously await the new mobile Mass Effect Game, Tali Princess Adventures: My Little Attack Droney.

[DiegoRaphael]

I feel a little weird about ME right now.

Since i finished ME3, i didn't play again except for the EC. I have 4 saves ready to be loaded, but i don't feel the will to do so.

The DLCs? No interest. The Comics, novels? No interest.

But why do i stay? I still love the characthers and the universe Bioware created.
I still wanna hear about upcoming DLC, in the hope it is something that brings me back. But more than this, i interested in new games on this universe, i don't want it to die. And also DA3.

So i don't wanna play ME3 again or read comics and novels that relates to it, it has no replay value to me, but...

I still want to buy lots of products ME related. Bishoujos? Bring it on. Premium Formats? Sure! Lithos? Hell yeah! T-Shirts? Got it!

Anyway, my fellings towards ME is weird right now. I praticaly don't post anymore in these sections, but i always come to check DA3 forum and end up having a look down here...

[Dead Shizno]

i still play the mass effect games,they were one of the first set of games to really get me to care about the squad members and i really did enjoy number 3,it was a long good bye every time you talked to some one it was basicly a good bye one way or an other. i dont think i will hold my breath for number 4 not with how number 3 ended,and no i could care less about the colors or what happened im fine with that,im just upset that no matter what i did in any of the three games shep always died in all three endings.

They could of had multi endings with what the war assit was and your choices and that played out the endings you go. i would of liked to have at least one happy ending but nope :/ and for that i dont think ill wait in line for the next ME game,if it turns to be a new three part game whats the point if number 6 ends the same three times over?

[DC111]

Kaidan Fan wrote...

I still like ME.  Even though I didn't like the ending choices I still have a great love for the games.  I'm attached. 

I hadn't posted in the IT thread since the first thread was opened but I did still read it regularly.  I'm sorry to see it closed and sent to groups just as the character section was.  Soon all we'll have left in the public forums is the MP section. 

I do understand why some people make these threads though.  I think some are looking for justification of their feelings.  Others who feel the same as them.  Some are looking to vent and others I think are looking for hope.  Something to make them care again.

I hope you find something to make you care again, OP.

Wow.  I'm a little late to the discussion.   To
answer your question as to why:

I once said, half way through the ME3, that the ME
Universe, story, characters and scientific brass (within reason) is
beyond reproach within entertainment media - including Star Wars.  

-  Full discloser:  39 year successful
family guy..that happens to really love gaming/rpgs and fantastic story
telling. 

However, the 'what I believe to be'  callus
ending 'of all things' and lack of consistency left me so sufficiently empty,
 that, 

Here is the Answer:   I find myself stopping by this site once a week in
the hopes that Bioware will offer (even if its pay for purchase) an option that
will deliver an alternative ending that satisfies the large majority of fans
that have invested hundreds of dollars as well as countless hundreds of hours
into the created characters and world of ME.

  

[VyseN1]

I haven't played a Bioware game since. I cancelled my SWTOR account after the PR fiasco. Unless the company shows a huge turn around with their next few games, they have lost me as a fan and a customer. Bioware games were, for a long time very rare day one purchases for me. I buy almost nothing on day one, usually waiting for a sale. Bioware went from day one, full price purchase, to not buying an other one of their games again.

[LostInReverie19]

I've only played ME3 to completion twice. I've played through ME1 and ME2 countless times. That should say something right there. And the only reason I did another playthrough of ME3 was for the EC, which still sucked ass and was like putting a band-aid on something that requires major surgery. Ever since the ME3 fiasco, I have had zero interest in playing any of the games. ME3 pretty much ruined the entire series for me. I've been gone from these forums for a long time. I've tuned out so much that I didn't give a **** when Leviathan and Omega were released. Hell, I didn't even know about them until recently. And I've only come back to this forum for Dragon Age stuff but decided to hop over to this forum out of nostalgia's sake. BioWare destroyed a good franchise by copping out on the ending. And that's what the ending is: a cheap and lazy cop out vomited out by hacks who call themselves writers. And let's not forget the absolute lack of response from BioWare right after the game released. And they never once admitted to making any mistakes. Oh, it's our artistic integrity or some such bull****. Yeah, well go make a movie then where the audience has no control over the plot. Players of games, especially RPGs, are supposed to have some control over how the game ends...

And goddammit, I'm still pissed off about this after a whole year. And I'm only so made because I cared so much about the games. I loved them so much, and BioWare just **** all over them. But I'll stop ranting now. I'm sure I will get flamed for this post by all the **** ass kissers so have at it.

[LostInReverie19]

Bahahaha, B I O D R O N E is censored. That's ****ing hilarious. Nice.

[Mathias]

For the most part I have, but I don't want to let go because I loved it so much. That's why i'm still here. Like a battered housewife that keeps returning to an abusive husband. I keep coming back thinking Bioware's gonna treat me like the sweet woman I am. He tells me he cares about me, and will listen from now on. But then BAM! Backhands me right in the mouth.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:47 .

[puppy maclove]

davishepard wrote...

"Has anyone else completely lost interests in ME universe after EC?"

I didn't.

And Mr. Priestly is absolutely right. You don't need to remain in a forum for a product you don't like anymore.

BSN would be a better place if the useless haters simply leave.

... & only mindless fan boys stay who
like whatever drivel is offered... 

[puppy maclove]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?

I have lost all interest in
playing the mass effect series and in BW/EA products after what I felt were VERY
VERY disappointing efforts in ME3 & DA2 (I don’t think I need to list all
the things wrong with these games IMO. BioWare think people don’t like ME3
because we didn’t get a happy ending… not the case. Most expected Shepard to
die all along… that was kind of obvious … but that’s a different discussion
& off topic for this thread)

Since ME3, like many people
I know, I have not bought any BW / EA products because we simply don’t enjoy what
they offering and the “one-size-fits all” approach BW seem to be taking with
their games. Like any company who produces any product, if I feel you have done
wrong by me, I simply stop supporting that company.

Customer goodwill / trust: a
lifetime to make a, moment to break.

Ok……But why do I still read the occasional post
on the forum you ask?

Because, IMO, I’m still
trying to work out how you folks at Bioware F*cked up such a previously amazing
series like ME so badly? I’m still trying to make sense of it …. I mean who in
their right mind thought this was good…..what a joke. I’m still trying to work
it out and perhaps find an answer here to give closure?!?!?!

Like I said, I have no
intention of playing any further BW games but it is still kind of “interesting”
to read the hyperbolised marketing statements and watch the slow slide of a once
great game developer. (Car wreck syndrome I suppose)

Don’t get me wrong, I take
no joy out of it but when I see how dismissive Bioware is of their core fan
base. (IMO, ME3 felt like a massive middle finger to the fans) What can you
expect?

Good luck… I’ll keep
watching to see where this all ends up. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate you
guys but I don’t care much for you either.

Also….I just like to keep
informed, let’s take LOTR online, I have no intention of ever playing that game
(I don’t care much for MMO’s) but I still read articles on it.

I hope that answers your question?

[Wraithful]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I do not understand why people who say they have no interest in a subject feel the need to say that they no longer have an interest in the subject.

Because I don't believe that everything you guys built so well should be written off because of that atrocious ending and false advertising.  Everytime I feel like I hate Mass Effect, I remember how much I loved the characters Garrus and Tali, and a whole bunch of other stuff. 

Please don't use my post as an excuse to lock or delete the thread - I'd prefer that you just deleted my post as before.


Edit: how could I forget the false advertising, lol.
Even now I'd love to hear Bioware's comment on that.

Modifié par Wraithful, 10 janvier 2013 - 08:20 .

[VLX11387]

Maybe "lost interest" is the wrong words. Maybe we're just still bitter about the endings? Maybe we loved the series so much that we want to grasp on to what little was left? Maybe because us as fans want to and know that the writers could have done better and gave the franchise the respect it deserves...

[Tasker]

The Geth Spectre wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

If the Crucible was just some kind of powerful artillery instead of a godly magical device, we could destroy the Reapers without harming EDI or any other synthetics.

Agreed thats what the Crucible should have been like a giant Thanix cannon that tears apart reapers.

Or, as i've suggested in the past.  It could have been a weapon that sent an anti reaper pulse through the relay network using the master Citadel relay.  Disabling any reapers in the vicinity of a mass relay and allowing the fleet to give them a seriously bloody nose without much danger to themselves.

That way there could have been a way to win in a semi conventional way and leaving any Reapers that are outside the relay range as a possible future threat.

They almost, almost - got it right.   But no. We had to end up with the atrocious spaceHitler and the pick a colour artistic integrity bollocks.  ( Not to mention having to ignore the fact that any decisions in any of the games had no impact or visual representation what-so-ever. )

Modifié par Orkboy, 10 janvier 2013 - 09:39 .