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[ShdwFox7]

    I was once like the OP in the sense that I once loved this game series. Their is no doubt in my mind I was one of Bioware's biggest, and most loyal fans. But now? I loathe Bioware, and I've completely lost all my faith in them. Their is no way I'll be buying any more of their products for decades to come, if, at all. Their was many things leading up to that moment though, not just EC.

- Bioware being incorporated into EA, the only game company I actually despise.
- DA2 turning out to be a sub-par product.
- Messing up Mass Effect Deception (thankfully I didn't read it or buy it after I heard all the problems)
- From Ashes DLC not being a part of the main game (Javik should have been an essential squad mate).
- ME3's ending, and Bioware's response to the controversy.

    Some of the above events weren't so bad though as others though, some were things I could ignore or forgive. But when EC came out, that was just the nail in the coffin for me. 93% of us asked to have the ending changed (one of the forum polls around the time), not simply clarified, and they still ignored us. Of the remaining 7% of that poll, only 4% of them just wanted clarification, with the remaining 3% saying not to change it at all. Now I'm not saying that poll incorporated everyone who played the game's opinion of it. However, it certainly got the vast majority of their most loyal of loyal fan's opinions, which should damn account for something.

    And as for the actual DLC itself? The whole thing was a piece of trash. My two biggest complaints:

    Joker touching down to pick up your injured squad mates during the run to the beam was laughable. Within the context of the game their was two pivotal battles going on; protecting the crucible in space and getting people to the beam on Earth. Their is no reason Joker should have left his strategic position in space help a mere two injured soldiers. If anything, he should have sent a drop shuttle. And to further exasperate the issue, not only does Joker leave the first most important battle just to rescue two injured soldiers on Earth, but he leaves the second most important battle without even doing anything at all! While on Earth, why the hell didn't he at least return fire on Harbinger and provide cover fire for the troops running to the beam? He is one of the best pilots in the galaxy with one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy and he did nothing! I understand that Bioware wanted to make events of the current ending make sense. But come on, they could have easily made this scene make sense by replacing the Normandy with one of it's drop shuttles instead.

    Then their is the meeting with the Catalyst and your choices. As previously mentioned we didn't need clarification, we perfectly understood what was going on! The choices presented were still the same, stupid. None of the endings make me feel like I accomplished a heroic deed. I just feel like I made the best (if you can call it that) of a bad situation. All the endings are still really vague, and left up to tons of player-induced interpretation. How bad would it have been to tell us the ramifications of the control ending, for instance? But finally, that refusal ending; you've got to be kidding me. If this choice wasn't the biggest middle finger to Bioware's fans, I don't know what else was.

    Now if EC was the nail in the coffin for me, I don't know what Leviathan or Omega was, more nails? I'm just thankful I didn't buy either of these DLCs from what I've seen and read about them.

[Kel Riever]

What keeps me coming back is making fun of the endings. And berating them. There's a never ending flow of entertainment that comes from that!

Oh, and to encourage like minded people to do the same. I'm getting my money's worth one way or the other. No good ending(s)? Time to make fun!

Multiplayer is good too.  Better rpg than single player mode.  So I get to talk about both here on BSN.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:00 .

[Luigitornado]

Nope. That would be completely nutso. I love Mass Effect too much to be so fickle about an ending.

[Majin Paul]

At the moment, no, I'm still interested but my interest has lessened because of the lack of information we had. What happens after, why certain things happen, etc.

[Iakus]

ShdwFox7 wrote...


    Then their is the meeting with the Catalyst and your choices. As previously mentioned we didn't need clarification, we perfectly understood what was going on! The choices presented were still the same, stupid. None of the endings make me feel like I accomplished a heroic deed. I just feel like I made the best (if you can call it that) of a bad situation. All the endings are still really vague, and left up to tons of player-induced interpretation. How bad would it have been to tell us the ramifications of the control ending, for instance? But finally, that refusal ending; you've got to be kidding me. If this choice wasn't the biggest middle finger to Bioware's fans, I don't know what else was.

QFT

[Archonsg]

@iakus

Oh I don't know.
That refuse ending *felt* like a middle finger but I do remember being one of the principles who suggested it, back on the "we are listening" thread, although it was in the light of the original endings.

Meaning that if we had it in lieu of the original three endings it would have been cool as a "you loose" ending.

We still discussed and petitioned for a Refusal win scenario to go along with a Refusal loss ending.

However, this is a case where Bioware exercised to be selective in what they wanted from the discussions in regards to "Refuse" and *only* include the "Refusal loss" scenario which is almost scene for scene of what myself and the few others discussed about.

Hence it felt like an insult, even though it might not be the case.

Bottom line is that the Refusal loss scenario plays into the underlying nihilistic message that ME3 wants to convey.

Modifié par Archonsg, 16 janvier 2013 - 05:32 .

[CronoDragoon]

Refusal loss scenario is the only possible Refuse scenario. Refusal win scenario trivializes the Crucible and the ethics of deciding between the Crucible choices.

Refusal loss represents a view of ethics/morality vs. consequences in which ethics take supreme authority in the decision-making a la Kant. If such is your belief then it should be irrelevant that you lose, since you still triumphed by maintaining your ideals.

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Refusal loss scenario is the only possible Refuse scenario. Refusal win scenario trivializes the Crucible and the ethics of deciding between the Crucible choices.

Refusal loss represents a view of ethics/morality vs. consequences in which ethics take supreme authority in the decision-making a la Kant. If such is your belief then it should be irrelevant that you lose, since you still triumphed by maintaining your ideals.

Yeah well the endings (all the endings) make me think more about Joshua's message in War Games:

"The only winning move is not to play"

What does Kant think of that?

Modifié par iakus, 16 janvier 2013 - 07:01 .

[Leem_0001]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Refusal loss scenario is the only possible Refuse scenario. Refusal win scenario trivializes the Crucible and the ethics of deciding between the Crucible choices.

Refusal loss represents a view of ethics/morality vs. consequences in which ethics take supreme authority in the decision-making a la Kant. If such is your belief then it should be irrelevant that you lose, since you still triumphed by maintaining your ideals.

Trivialise the Crucible? Please. The whole idea and its execution was trash.

It was so bad it practically trivialised itself.

Modifié par Leem_0001, 16 janvier 2013 - 07:03 .

[HomerIsLegend]

Leem_0001 wrote...



Trivialise the Crucible? Please. The whole idea and its execution was trash.

It was so bad it practically trivialised itself.

The trash started wayy before the Crucible ever crapped its way on screen.  The story suffered from the start of ME2 when the writers thought somehow making the council & galaxy still not aware the reapers were a threat even though one of them essentially almost brought down the capital/hub of the entire galaxy 2 years before.  Not to mention it was pretty damn obvious who they were trying to make the #1 antagonist for the rest of the story (Humans are evil!).

But I digress... I was a fan of the series from the beginning because of the characters and the ability to *somewhat* mold my Shepard the way I liked... not because of the reap threat.  Same way I still love Star Wars to this day even though the preekwals sucked ballz.

Modifié par HomerIsLegend, 16 janvier 2013 - 07:12 .

[Dessalines]

Since I finally get to play the game on one console,I am going back and doing that. I guess I will get tired of Mass Effect around the time Mass Effect 4 comes out.

[ElectricZ]

Longtime fan of Mass Effect. As a matter of fact, ME is what made me sink to that lowest of the low and become a... fanfic writer. Yes, one of those. I've been a fan of a lot of different media; books, movies, games, comics, what have you. But ME is the first and only one that got me to write something for public consumption because I got so wrapped up in the characters, the stories and the universe.

Mass Effect 3, specifically the ending, killed it for me because it killed the universe and everything about it that I liked. It had no future. The characters? Marooned on Earth, or on an uncharted jungle planet with no hope of rescue. The Citadel and Relay Network? Gone. The story? Ended with an incomprehensible and unnecessary "twist" that undid all the efforts of the story throughout the first three games. It didn't just affect one world or one species, the entire galaxy was so fundamentally changed so as to be unrecognizable.

A previous poster mentioned about how Star Wars survived the prequel episodes, but the prequels didn't change the universe after the fact. For that to happen, an Episode VII would have to come out and radically change everything we'd seen before. Maybe the destruction of the Death Star unleashed a Force Mutation that resulted in a galaxy-wide zombie apocalypse, or sent every character into their own individual parallel universes, or turned everybody into small rodents. Everything that followed would no longer be Star Wars. The universe that existed would be gone.

The Extended Cut helped, but it was too little, too late for me. The setting I knew and loved is gone. I still lurk around these boards from time to time like I might wander by a hostoric monument to remind me of past inspiration or event... but I can't get psyched about the future of the ME franchise because I just don't see one. As for my fanfic, I tried to write some ME3 stories but I couldn't get into it. I don't enjoy the process, I don't like to contemplate "what ifs" anymore because I feel it no longer matters next to canon. So I've gone back to finishing out an ME2 fic and when I'm done with that, it'll be time to move on to something else.

And that makes me sad.

Modifié par ElectricZ, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:34 .

[drayfish]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Refusal loss scenario is the only possible Refuse scenario. Refusal win scenario trivializes the Crucible and the ethics of deciding between the Crucible choices.

Refusal loss represents a view of ethics/morality vs. consequences in which ethics take supreme authority in the decision-making a la Kant. If such is your belief then it should be irrelevant that you lose, since you still triumphed by maintaining your ideals.

Then let it be trivialised.

If you build a machine that upon booting up tells you that the only hope for humanity is to genetically violate every living thing, to genocide a race, or to turn yourself into a totalitarian overlord so as to keep people in line, all because it once made a hypothesis that different races can't get along, you let that intolerant piece of crap be trivialised.

It has nothing valid to say anyway.

Modifié par drayfish, 16 janvier 2013 - 08:50 .

[Tootles FTW]

It's odd, because I've pretty much lost interest (or rather, the will to complete) in playing ME3 again - I haven't gotten past my mainShep, which is ridiculous when I have several Shepard's primed to go & would have been well past playthrough #10 at this point if....well, if.

However, I find myself still obsessed with this world and the characters, and I'll always have faith in Bioware learning and improving and giving me a product that, even on their WORST day, is ten times better than most anything else out there.

[Hazegurl]

Festilence wrote...

I haven't lost interest in the Mass Effect series at all and I continue to eagerly await the final ME3 DLC and a future Mass Effect game.

I do feel that everything from the run to the beam onwards is very flawed but it doesn't stop any of the games from being thoroughly enjoyable and I'm really interested in where they may take the series next.

I agree, the run to the beam (although very exciting) was when the game went downhill. But I enjoyed the ride on the way there and I look forward to ME4 and I'm curious about the next DLC. But then again I played ME3 first then 2 then 1 before playing them again in order. I do notice some of the changes long time fans are addressing and in some ways I agree with them as well.  But I haven't lost interest.

[Sundance31us]

Still interested; having fun retexturing outfits and finding new dialogue. Tried to play GW2 for a while, but lost interest...found myself missing the NPC interactions.

[Ender Ghost]

To be honest, in my 'head canon' ME3 never happened. I don't know what about it, I just hated the story, the way the geth get defaced, the crucible plot device, etc.
I mean there were a couple of gems in there like the turian war effort, the way the geth and the quarians worked together during the battle of earth, and so on. But for the most part having the contrived situations where they shoehorn 'emotional' decisions at us was just pitiful.

I like the Mass Effect universe... but I don't like how ME3 molested it.

[frostajulie]

Requiem1289 wrote...

I've only played ME3 to completion twice. I've played through ME1 and ME2 countless times. That should say something right there. And the only reason I did another playthrough of ME3 was for the EC, which still sucked ass and was like putting a band-aid on something that requires major surgery. Ever since the ME3 fiasco, I have had zero interest in playing any of the games. ME3 pretty much ruined the entire series for me. I've been gone from these forums for a long time. I've tuned out so much that I didn't give a **** when Leviathan and Omega were released. Hell, I didn't even know about them until recently. And I've only come back to this forum for Dragon Age stuff but decided to hop over to this forum out of nostalgia's sake. BioWare destroyed a good franchise by copping out on the ending. And that's what the ending is: a cheap and lazy cop out vomited out by hacks who call themselves writers. And let's not forget the absolute lack of response from BioWare right after the game released. And they never once admitted to making any mistakes. Oh, it's our artistic integrity or some such bull****. Yeah, well go make a movie then where the audience has no control over the plot. Players of games, especially RPGs, are supposed to have some control over how the game ends...

And goddammit, I'm still pissed off about this after a whole year. And I'm only so made because I cared so much about the games. I loved them so much, and BioWare just **** all over them. But I'll stop ranting now. I'm sure I will get flamed for this post by all the **** ass kissers so have at it.

<3soo perfect.. sum up feelings I have gahhhh:wub:

[Ender Ghost]

drayfish wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Refusal loss scenario is the only possible Refuse scenario. Refusal win scenario trivializes the Crucible and the ethics of deciding between the Crucible choices.

Refusal loss represents a view of ethics/morality vs. consequences in which ethics take supreme authority in the decision-making a la Kant. If such is your belief then it should be irrelevant that you lose, since you still triumphed by maintaining your ideals.

Then let it be trivialised.

If you build a machine that upon booting up tells you that the only hope for humanity is to genetically violate every living thing, to genocide a race, or to turn yourself into a totalitarian overlord so as to keep people in line, all because it once made a hypothesis that different races can't get along, you let that intolerant piece of crap be trivialised.

It has nothing valid to say anyway.

Not to mention that in control the Geth get turned into slaves which would have happened to them if they had stayed allied with the Reapers.

[Faust1979]

I love the ME universe and I love the way ME3 ends I didn't see any problems with the EC, it tied things up for me I don't need a scene where he says goodbye to his squad mates because it really isn't all that important, he's trying to survive there was no time for goodbyes not with all the stuff that was going on around them.  The story line is brilliant just because it didn't end how you wanted it to doesn't mean it's crap.

Modifié par Faust1979, 17 janvier 2013 - 12:41 .

[Ryoten]

I like talking about mass effect, but i have no interest in playing at the moment. But more so because im just Mass Effect'ed out. You get into something too much and you can over do it and kill it.

[ref]

I thought ME3 was very lackluster (not just the ending). It ended the series the worst possible way I could imagine, but with that all being said, I just finished re-playing ME1 and I still love it dearly. Great pacing, great ending, great game.

Modifié par Refara, 17 janvier 2013 - 12:46 .

[Darth Krytie]

I've not lost interest in the slightest. I've played ME3 eight or nine times. I really loved the whole story. I even made another character in ME1 so I can play through again. I have ladySheps and dudeSheps. Ones who romance Garrus (almost always), Liara, Kaidan, Miranda, and Steve. I just love the game that much. And I still want to romance Thane and Ashley. I can't wait for more DLC and more Mass Effect. It's probably my favourite set of games ever made.

[Spectre197]

I don't dislike the ME Universe ,but what I have grown tired of is the people that make it. All the recent DLC and games that have came out of the bioware studio the past few years have made my love for bioware spiral out of control. It sucks to see a company that I would have bought any item they release day one turns into maybe I should rent or get a copy from a friend to try.