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[3DandBeyond]

goose2989 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?

Many of us think things could be better. As frustrated as we might be, we don't see Mass Effect as a lost cause. 

The idea of "lost interest" can mean many things.  I've kind of lost interest in the ME3 story because the more I see of it the less good it seems, especially in context with the endings.

The thing is had the endings just delivered and been great, the things that are not good in the rest of the game might not seem so bad.

And much of ME3 is about lost potential.  Great characters, great setups for stories, and all that, but some of the dialogue is just plain laughable (not intentionally) or even sad (again not intentionally).  The lack of character progression for the ME2 squadmates and even really curtailed missions shows the real lack of interest in what they had to know fans would want.  ME3 also tries too hard to make things sound really bad, but doesn't work hard enough to show that.  Parts of it are just juvenile.

It's cognitive dissonance.  ME3 is all about what could have been.  ME2, no matter it's failings was a much better game-and it's ending allowed for variety within.  It didn't have the glitz of ME3 with all the new combat features (I could do without for a better story).  It also didn't have the intrusive autodialogue and autostory-cutscenes all the time, that ME3 had.  ME2 had some very strong quick moments that meant a lot.  The last moment in the shuttle bay after the suicide mission was amazing to me.  I loved ME up until ME3's ending.  I am torn between that lost interest and the sentimental feelings I have for the people in ME-I want so much for them to have a proper ending, but that seems likely to never come except through fan mods.

[Faust1979]

Best trilogy of games ever

[Auld Wulf]

@OP

Noap. I love it as much as ever. Though sometimes I think it was too challenging and went over the heads of some people. But then, anything more challenging than a sideboob can go over the heads of some people. And anyone who follows my posts definitely knows that I can put up enough evidence and story to show that I understand the story completely. In fact? I think I love ME3 and BioWare more now for not being predictable, and for not pandering to the relentlessly uninspired mainstream.

[Iakus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Noap. I love it as much as ever. Though sometimes I think it was too challenging and went over the heads of some people. But then, anything more challenging than a sideboob can go over the heads of some people. And anyone who follows my posts definitely knows that I can put up enough evidence and story to show that I understand the story completely. In fact? I think I love ME3 and BioWare more now for not being predictable, and for not pandering to the relentlessly uninspired mainstream.

Yeah, this wasn't patronizing at all.

/sarcasm

[ShOtIsLost]

No, not really. While I feel it's changed a lot and I am seeing flaws with writing, buisness practices, and making sure lore is followed in books/comics/movies. I still love the universe and it is my favorite game series of all time, I have bought every single piece of single player DLC with story in it, and will continue to do so because I simply still enjoy it.

[warblewobble]

iakus wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Noap. I love it as much as ever. Though sometimes I think it was too challenging and went over the heads of some people. But then, anything more challenging than a sideboob can go over the heads of some people. And anyone who follows my posts definitely knows that I can put up enough evidence and story to show that I understand the story completely. In fact? I think I love ME3 and BioWare more now for not being predictable, and for not pandering to the relentlessly uninspired mainstream.

Yeah, this wasn't patronizing at all.

/sarcasm

Not just uninspired, but dogged in their lack of inspiration! Determined to never allow their creative muse to sing! Adamant that, at all costs, they continue not to spontaneously formulate new and innovative ideas!

[ld1449]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@OP

Noap. I love it as much as ever. Though sometimes I think it was too challenging and went over the heads of some people. But then, anything more challenging than a sideboob can go over the heads of some people. And anyone who follows my posts definitely knows that I can put up enough evidence and story to show that I understand the story completely. In fact? I think I love ME3 and BioWare more now for not being predictable, and for not pandering to the relentlessly uninspired mainstream.

Are those the posts that primarilly boil down to these two subsequent points 90% of the time?

A) I liked it so STFU!!!

And

Well I think it went this way. Ergo, you're wrong.

Because really every post I've seen from you offers very little hard evidence and merely subjective opinion that you tout as fact. When by every measurable standard in modern literacy ME3's ending, and indeed, even largely, ME3's entire narrative structure, is very much broken.

[The_Other_M]

3DandBeyond wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?

Many of us think things could be better. As frustrated as we might be, we don't see Mass Effect as a lost cause. 

The idea of "lost interest" can mean many things.  I've kind of lost interest in the ME3 story because the more I see of it the less good it seems, especially in context with the endings.

The thing is had the endings just delivered and been great, the things that are not good in the rest of the game might not seem so bad.

And much of ME3 is about lost potential.  Great characters, great setups for stories, and all that, but some of the dialogue is just plain laughable (not intentionally) or even sad (again not intentionally).  The lack of character progression for the ME2 squadmates and even really curtailed missions shows the real lack of interest in what they had to know fans would want.  ME3 also tries too hard to make things sound really bad, but doesn't work hard enough to show that.  Parts of it are just juvenile.

It's cognitive dissonance.  ME3 is all about what could have been.  ME2, no matter it's failings was a much better game-and it's ending allowed for variety within.  It didn't have the glitz of ME3 with all the new combat features (I could do without for a better story).  It also didn't have the intrusive autodialogue and autostory-cutscenes all the time, that ME3 had.  ME2 had some very strong quick moments that meant a lot.  The last moment in the shuttle bay after the suicide mission was amazing to me.  I loved ME up until ME3's ending.  I am torn between that lost interest and the sentimental feelings I have for the people in ME-I want so much for them to have a proper ending, but that seems likely to never come except through fan mods.

^^Pretty much.

Mass Effect 3 may have "Joel Schumacher-ed" the franchise, but I'm hoping that BioWare will somehow 'Christopher Nolan" it back into awesomeness with ME4.

[goose2989]

The_Other_M wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know this may sound a little snarky, but I really don't mean it to. I mean this as an actual legitimate question:

Then why are you here?

"I don't like ME anymore" (for whatever reason. Didn't like the ending, didn't like the DLC, didn't like ME3 core game, MP, etc). Why are you still here?

I have, over the course of a long life, fallen in and out of love with games, authors, films, etc. When I am done with them, I am done with them. I don't linger, hang around, etc and tell people about how I am "done" with whatever it is. Sure, maybe later on, I come back to it and reread/replay/rewatch, etc and maybe get involved again, but if I am done with something, I leave it.

So if you have "lost interest" (or similar) why are you still here?

Many of us think things could be better. As frustrated as we might be, we don't see Mass Effect as a lost cause. 

The idea of "lost interest" can mean many things.  I've kind of lost interest in the ME3 story because the more I see of it the less good it seems, especially in context with the endings.

The thing is had the endings just delivered and been great, the things that are not good in the rest of the game might not seem so bad.

And much of ME3 is about lost potential.  Great characters, great setups for stories, and all that, but some of the dialogue is just plain laughable (not intentionally) or even sad (again not intentionally).  The lack of character progression for the ME2 squadmates and even really curtailed missions shows the real lack of interest in what they had to know fans would want.  ME3 also tries too hard to make things sound really bad, but doesn't work hard enough to show that.  Parts of it are just juvenile.

It's cognitive dissonance.  ME3 is all about what could have been.  ME2, no matter it's failings was a much better game-and it's ending allowed for variety within.  It didn't have the glitz of ME3 with all the new combat features (I could do without for a better story).  It also didn't have the intrusive autodialogue and autostory-cutscenes all the time, that ME3 had.  ME2 had some very strong quick moments that meant a lot.  The last moment in the shuttle bay after the suicide mission was amazing to me.  I loved ME up until ME3's ending.  I am torn between that lost interest and the sentimental feelings I have for the people in ME-I want so much for them to have a proper ending, but that seems likely to never come except through fan mods.

^^Pretty much.

Mass Effect 3 may have "Joel Schumacher-ed" the franchise, but I'm hoping that BioWare will somehow 'Christopher Nolan" it back into awesomeness with ME4.

That's why so many people still hang around here; despite our collective biterness, many of us think that Mass Effect can be "Christopher Nyolaned" as you put it. The best part is that BioWare doesn't need new leadership and staff to accomplish this; the existing employees are more than capable of accomplishing this with the upcoming DLC and future games. BioWare's current staff has demonstrated their ability to produce wonderful games. A few mistakes (even if they were colossal ones) can be fixed by the same people.

I hope that answers your question Mr Priestly. 

[ZajoE38]

No. I like the EC. Except the part when SR-2 landed in the battlezone in front of the Harby... that was the worst scene of whole Mass Effect! Why the squadmates couldn't just ran back to FOB, or Kodiak picked them up?

[Argolas]

ZajoE38 wrote...

No. I like the EC. Except the part when SR-2 landed in the battlezone in front of the Harby... that was the worst scene of whole Mass Effect! Why the squadmates couldn't just ran back to FOB, or Kodiak picked them up?

I guess since so many people asked how they could get up to the Normandy, they wanted to show just that although just making it possible and still letting it happen offscreen would have worked as well.

[Asch Lavigne]

Argolas wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

No. I like the EC. Except the part when SR-2 landed in the battlezone in front of the Harby... that was the worst scene of whole Mass Effect! Why the squadmates couldn't just ran back to FOB, or Kodiak picked them up?

I guess since so many people asked how they could get up to the Normandy, they wanted to show just that although just making it possible and still letting it happen offscreen would have worked as well.

Normandy (Kodiak could not exist if you let Steve die) or someone else should have come in after Shep went through the beam. That way no stupid scene, squadmates hide behind tank, quick goodybe and you have someone pass on to Hackett that Shep and Anderson made it through.

[CrimsonN7]

No OP I haven't lost interest myself, I still play MP regularly, I'm currently attempting to replay the trilogy again and I'm looking forward to ME4.

[N7Infernox]

No offense OP, but I'm with Priestly 100% on this one.

Have you tried joining the MP community?

Modifié par N7Infernox, 25 janvier 2013 - 03:14 .

[vliktor]

I'm still very interested in the lore, in the universe. I'm almost done with my 5th playthrough of ME3, and I was even considering a straight playthrough from ME1 - ME3. MP is the only thing keeping me in the forums, and in playing the game.

I was one of the people who was disappointed in the original endings, but the EC did provide some closure. I would have liked more cutscenes and a real use of all those war assets but in the end, it didn't matter. Time did heal all wounds, and I am ready for more ME. I just hope that Bioware learns from their mistakes with the ending fiasco and really invest more in good storytelling.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Some people just never learn, no matter how many times they've been wronged.