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[dirty console peasant]

 @Chris
I for one am still here because I desperately want to have an ending that makes sense and feels like a fitting ending for all the characters that I have come to like over the hundreds of hours I have played SP.  I want to, but with the ending as it stands I simply can't.  please refer to my non-starchild victory thread for how I would have it play out.

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 07 janvier 2013 - 10:15 .

[CoolioThane]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

davishepard wrote...

"Has anyone else completely lost interests in ME universe after EC?"

I didn't.

And Mr. Priestly is absolutely right. You don't need to remain in a forum for a product you don't like anymore.

BSN would be a better place if the useless haters simply leave.

I think "useless haters" were contributing more to the discussion than you. Are you a "useless non-hater" ? What a stupid post

Posts like that are the reason the BSN is in the state it's in. Give me 100 ending topics any day over that kind of garbage. Btw, you are hating the haters, so guess what that makes you?

A ****?

[David7204]

Do people here just not grasp what the word 'interest' means? 'Interest' is not something you can turn on and off like a lightswitch in response to people doing things you don't like. If you weren't interested, it shouldn't have bothered you in the first place. Pretending you suddenly "don't care" about something is immensely immature. It should be pretty damn obvious that if you really didn't care, you wouldn't be here.

Modifié par David7204, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:13 .

[Iakus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

That was kind of what I meant, I just didn't ask it very well.

If you are still interested in characters, or discussing past glories, or future DLC ideas, or similar, you have not "completely lost interest" in the game. People who hang around because they have friends here (great!) or enjoyed what happened in the past or whatever I totally understand. As pointed out, that is a key part of a "social" site.

I do not understand why people who say they have no interest in a subject feel the need to say that they no longer have an interest in the subject. Are you looking for stimulation as to why you should stay? (like from fellow posters or developers to convince you to stay) Are you looking for validation as to why you should go?

As I said, I don't mean this in a snarky way. I am curious as to why people (not just this OP) say these things so that wer can make things better here to prevent people from posting like this (becoming disenchanted) in the future.

I suspect people say that for a simple reason:  They want to be cheered up. Either to hear news that'll snap them out of it, a reason to hope.  Something to take their mind off their disappointment.  Or just to comiserate with people who have similar feelings.  To talk about "the good old days" of the game,  what might have been, what could still be. 

[CoolioThane]

David7204 wrote...

Do people here just not grasp what the word 'interest' means? 'Interest' is not something you can turn on and off like a lightswitch in response to people doing things you don't like. If you weren't interested, it shouldn't have bothered you in the first place. Pretending you suddenly "don't care" about something is immensely immature. It should be pretty damn obvious that if you really didn't care, you wouldn't be here.

I think waning interest is the case in the majority of people saying they've lost interest. 

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

David7204 wrote...

Do people here just not grasp what the word 'interest' means? 'Interest' is not something you can turn on and off like a lightswitch in response to people doing things you don't like. If you weren't interested, it shouldn't have bothered you in the first place. Pretending you suddenly "don't care" about something is immensely immature. It should be pretty damn obvious that if you really didn't care, you wouldn't be here.

Oh please.

It's just something people say to try and feel better about something that disappointed them, it's not like they threw their toys on the ground and cried like a baby. It's nothing to be hypercritical of.

[MegaSovereign]

I'm interested in what makes you so interested.

[David7204]

It doesn't matter. The irony in loudly announcing how uninterested you are in something should be childishly obvious.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Chris Priestly wrote...

That was kind of what I meant, I just didn't ask it very well.

If you are still interested in characters, or discussing past glories, or future DLC ideas, or similar, you have not "completely lost interest" in the game. People who hang around because they have friends here (great!) or enjoyed what happened in the past or whatever I totally understand. As pointed out, that is a key part of a "social" site.

I do not understand why people who say they have no interest in a subject feel the need to say that they no longer have an interest in the subject. Are you looking for stimulation as to why you should stay? (like from fellow posters or developers to convince you to stay) Are you looking for validation as to why you should go?

As I said, I don't mean this in a snarky way. I am curious as to why people (not just this OP) say these things so that wer can make things better here to prevent people from posting like this (becoming disenchanted) in the future.

Well, let me put it this way Chris.

When ME3 originally came out with the endings that were in place, I also said that "I am done with mass effect." But really, that was kind of a hyperbole on my part. I'm a mass effect fan at heart, but I believed that the way ME3 ended completely destroyed the in game universe and all the characters that I loved.

So I lingered around here to complain (and still do, sort of). The EC fixed some things for me, but there were some very minor things that were left out in the EC that would have made a really big difference in my opinion. From what I've seen, a large number of people here are really irritated about Shepard's fate. Even if the trilogy is the end of his story, I believe that a lot of us wanted to have more control on whether he legitmately lived or died. And the current endings don't provide that as of now. Shepard for a lot of us is pretty much the icon of not only the Mass Effect trilogy, but the entire franchise itself. Shepard is to mass effect like Master Cheif is to Halo is what I'm getting at. So that's one of the major complaints that have made a few people raise their arms in the air and say "I've lost interest."

Though also, the lack of Harbringer and the handling of the ME2 characters are making people upset too. They've been repeating this complaint since the beginning, and now some of them are starting to lose interest. Not because they hate the franchise, but because they believe nothing will be done in order to fix these issues.

Does that clear things up?

[IntoTheDarkness]

Chris Priestly wrote...

That was kind of what I meant, I just didn't ask it very well.

If you are still interested in characters, or discussing past glories, or future DLC ideas, or similar, you have not "completely lost interest" in the game. People who hang around because they have friends here (great!) or enjoyed what happened in the past or whatever I totally understand. As pointed out, that is a key part of a "social" site.

I do not understand why people who say they have no interest in a subject feel the need to say that they no longer have an interest in the subject. Are you looking for stimulation as to why you should stay? (like from fellow posters or developers to convince you to stay) Are you looking for validation as to why you should go?

As I said, I don't mean this in a snarky way. I am curious as to why people (not just this OP) say these things so that wer can make things better here to prevent people from posting like this (becoming disenchanted) in the future.

It's a sign of a decline in product quality(in my case story), that's all. Although superior combat and gameplay mechanics drew more audience to the last game, people who loved ME for its merit of dialogues and story will be inevitably disapointed.

If such number of plotholes were present in ME1 as in ME3, I would never have been attached to the series in the first place. And fans will not cease complaining as long as Bioware still claims to be a pioneer of storytelling(with 8~9 professional writers in one game) and produce something far below such bold claim.

There will always be complainers even with a perfect product, but I used to only post praises about ME back in ME1's release. If you see too many complaints in a forum maybe it's the product that is too be blamed, not fans.

The Witcher 2 forum is full with praises and positive feedbacks because the game was a vast improvement over its predecessor.

Bioware can make one DLC that doens't smell of obvious plotholes, and I am ready to come back and make constructive feedbacks with praises.

Modifié par IntoTheDarkness, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:18 .

[WYLDMAXX]

TSA_383 wrote...

What'd help if you want to keep people interested is to provide them with news.
I know everybody's been on holiday, but given that you're not done releasing DLC for ME3 yet and the next one's been underway for a long time now, even just posting up a screenshot or two or some snippet of info will keep people talking about the game.
I used to post on here a lot, but not recently as since Omega we simply haven't heard any news and there's nothing new to discuss...

This^

EA/Bioware should try to keep people in the know. 

[Funkdrspot]

Not I. They cleared up some errors, doubled down on some others, but overal the IP is wonderful. They've been adding to MP by vast amounts and the potential for games/movies is limitless.

Its not the sendoff I wanted to have. I wanted the absolute #1 greatest game of all time where no expense was spared. I was extremely disappointed in that aspect, but judging the game on its merits and removing my anticipation, its still a wonderful game. Still in my top 10.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

It doesn't matter. The irony in loudly announcing how uninterested you are in something should be childishly obvious.

Ummm, your on a forum and someone posting their opinion and feelings

[David7204]

I am. But I would never pretend I'm not very interested in Mass Effect, for good or ill. That would be foolish.

[Iakus]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...




That's me. 

I had been a huge fan of ME series ever since ME1 came out until I played the Extended Cut of ME3. The game was sensational in so many levels and its narative quality was a culmination of years of Bioware's RPG development experience.

However, when I played EC and saw the infamous Normandy landing scene where Harbinger completely ignores it, I couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing. While I understand the DLC is free gift to fans from devs, they could have easily made the sceen to make sense only by making Normandy appear after Harbinger has left  and evacuate survivors from a distance to the beam.

During the beam run, Shepard could have exchanged a last good bye and left his squadmates to evacuate to a safe place where Normandy picks them up afterwards. Why did they have to insert Normandy in a cut-scene it does not belong to and make everything so absurd?

To me it seems as if writers and devs don't even care about ME universe and its plot integrity, as long as they can appease fans asking for a chance to say good bye to their LI. If they had given it a second of thought they would know how idiotic it is for Normandy to make a pick up at that moment, yet they went with it without a secnod thought.

Why should fans care and love ME universe when its very creators don't hesitate to defile its plot intergrity and a sense of realism? I'm not even discussing whether the scene was relevant or not because it's so freaking obvious the whole thing was a plot hole mess.

My interest only shortly came back with the launch of Omega DLC, in which writers have gone even lower and made Aria a wimp whose personlity changes depending on couple choices you make during dialogues. How very mature design of storytelling.

I don't know about you, but I really can't bring myself to love ME lore since none of them seem believable after EC mess and overly childish Omega DLC <_<

And just to get back to the OP, I felt worse than uninterested, I began to actively dislike the series.  I felt conned, cheated, manipulated by the ending.  Everything Shepard fought for was a lie. The game tricked me into thinking I could play a certain way, had any control over Shepard's fate.  Only to find at the end that no mater what kind of Shepard I made, regardless of what decisions I made across the trilogy, it was alldestined to end the same way:  pick the color coded war crime of your choice, then DIE!  All EC did for me was confirm the chocie doesn't actually kill the galaxy (which I'd pretty much figured out for myself)  Nothing else was done to soften the blow.  best case scenerio was still genocide, a betrayed friend, and a faceless torso gasping fro air.

Shortly after EC, I uninstalled the entire trilogy and didn't touch any of the games for months. I hoped that given enough time, maybe I could play yhe first game again.

Thankfully, since I play on a PC, I learned of MEHEM, I reinstalled ME3 and was able to play and enjoy the game.  unfortunately, the knowledge of the "real" endings is still there.  But now when I play, I can mostly ignore it.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I am. But I would never pretend I'm not very interested in Mass Effect, for good or ill. That would be foolish.

And what makes you think the OP was pretending?

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

David7204 wrote...

It doesn't matter. The irony in loudly announcing how uninterested you are in something should be childishly obvious.

I could also say to make a mountain out of a molehill could be perceived as childlish and unnecessarily harsh.

[xsdob]

demersel wrote...

After all it is a SOCIAL network. You don't abandon friendships with people that you grow to care about simple because you don't like something you used to like together.

That's all well and good, but you don't need to make thread after thread after thread telling everyone how "done" you are with mass effect and everything related to mass effect.

You have the PM system, you have groups, and you have your news activity feed.

The forums really aren't a part of the social expreience at all, if anything they are merely an advertisment platform for groups or other gatherings, and a source of grief and frustration.

So my question is, if you are done with mass effect, why continue to make threads and post when you could just hang with your friends in the group section?

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm interested in what makes you so interested.

Django ftw.

[Meltemph]

xsdob wrote...

demersel wrote...

After all it is a SOCIAL network. You don't abandon friendships with people that you grow to care about simple because you don't like something you used to like together.

That's all well and good, but you don't need to make thread after thread after thread telling everyone how "done" you are with mass effect and everything related to mass effect.

You have the PM system, you have groups, and you have your news activity feed.

The forums really aren't a part of the social expreience at all, if anything they are merely an advertisment platform for groups or other gatherings, and a source of grief and frustration.

So my question is, if you are done with mass effect, why continue to make threads and post when you could just hang with your friends in the group section?

Because the people who supposedly dont like these posts LOVE responding to them and NOT ignoring them, proving that these topics have a lot of interest regardless if you like the game or not?

[MegaSovereign]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm interested in what makes you so interested.

Django ftw.

One of the best movies of last year...

[Darth_Trethon]

iakus wrote...

I suspect people say that for a simple reason:  They want to be cheered up. Either to hear news that'll snap them out of it, a reason to hope.  Something to take their mind off their disappointment.  Or just to comiserate with people who have similar feelings.  To talk about "the good old days" of the game,  what might have been, what could still be. 

Exactly....and this has been going on since the game released. The BSN decayed into a pit of bitterness and slim hopes and fantasies....focusing on anything other than what it there. After the EC a lot just simply left and reminders only serve to revive the bitterness. This will not change or go away.....people do but this feeling will continue to be the norm around here.

And BioWare still do not get it and scratch their heads as to why people are still here and do their best to drive us away.....it's really not difficult to understand what is needed to fix this overwhelming bitterness, they know what has to be done and if they keep being stubborn and refusing I think they'll find their future games will be met with and plagued by similar disasters as ME3 and TOR(price-cuts within a month of release and freee to play) or worse. But it's ok.....they'll realize where they went wrong after it's too late.

[Abraham_uk]

Is it safe to say that 99.9% of the people who played Mass Effect 3 were bitterly dissapointed?

I'm in the 0.1% if that's true.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:27 .

[dorktainian]

xsdob wrote...

demersel wrote...

After all it is a SOCIAL network. You don't abandon friendships with people that you grow to care about simple because you don't like something you used to like together.

That's all well and good, but you don't need to make thread after thread after thread telling everyone how "done" you are with mass effect and everything related to mass effect.

You have the PM system, you have groups, and you have your news activity feed.

The forums really aren't a part of the social expreience at all, if anything they are merely an advertisment platform for groups or other gatherings, and a source of grief and frustration.

So my question is, if you are done with mass effect, why continue to make threads and post when you could just hang with your friends in the group section?

because he can. he has as much right to do so as you.  i didnt know the forums we're sole property of any group.  always thought they were public.  no?