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[David7204]

When people reiterate something to themselves they supposedly know, it's clear the person they're trying to convince is themselves.

The fact of the matter is that BioWare has a great deal of power over us. All of us. That's a consequence of emotional investment. The evidence is abundant - every day, there's dozens of people pleading for BioWare to change this or that.

I imagine plenty of people like to pretend that isn't true. Hence, you have people returning their copies out of spite, as if the developers are going  to know or care. And you have ridiculous threads such as this one. You have people complaining about very petty matters, such as how they 'wasted their money' or whatnot, as if a few dollars was a problem worth spending 10 months complaining about.

Modifié par David7204, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:33 .

[Sylvianus]

David7204 wrote...

I am. But I would never pretend I'm not very interested in Mass Effect, for good or ill. That would be foolish.

That's like those people who claim that they have completely lost interest in Bioware's games but you see them everyday complaining in most of topics... in this Bioware forum ( DAII, M3 and off topics ). They just make me laugh. Oh yeah, they tell, " but I have my friends here... ". And yet they actively participate with passion in every discussion as if finally they were concerned by what they do or their next step.

" Oooh Bioware you were so good before, what happened to you my Bioware ? " And at the same time, " please Bioware scrap this or that for the next game, it sucks. No more auto-dialogue, stop streamlining your game, stop catering to casual gamers, don't create your game for the damn COD crowd...  But... I have completely lost interest lol. "

They should say I have completly lost faith in Bioware, that would be... more accurate and credible. XD

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:33 .

[Darth_Trethon]

David7204 wrote...

When people reiterate something to themselves they supposedly know, it's clear the person they're trying to convince is themselves.

The fact of the matter is that BioWare has a great deal of power over us. All of us. That's a consequence of emotional investment. The evidence is abundant - every day, there's dozens of people pleading for BioWare to change this or that.

I imagine plenty of people like to pretend that isn't true. Hence, you have people returning their copies out of spite, as if the developers know or care. And you have ridiculous threads such as this one. You have people complaining about very petty matters, such as how they 'wasted their money' or whatnot, as if a few dollars was a problem worth spending 10 months complaining about.

I think that if you look at how theey've been doing recently you'll notice there is a clear and distinct reduction in that power.....they can pull the press into handing them shining reviews and awards but the truth of that as well as the truth of the hype machines they have going are becoming more transparent by the day which results in them gradually losing that power. In 2012 they lost one of their top writers(Drew Karpyshyn) and the founders while others like Casey and Mac have all but torched their reputations with ME3.

[ld1449]

xsdob wrote...

demersel wrote...

After all it is a SOCIAL network. You don't abandon friendships with people that you grow to care about simple because you don't like something you used to like together.

That's all well and good, but you don't need to make thread after thread after thread telling everyone how "done" you are with mass effect and everything related to mass effect.

You have the PM system, you have groups, and you have your news activity feed.

The forums really aren't a part of the social expreience at all, if anything they are merely an advertisment platform for groups or other gatherings, and a source of grief and frustration.

So my question is, if you are done with mass effect, why continue to make threads and post when you could just hang with your friends in the group section?

Uhhhh...Its not one person. Today its him, yesterday it was someone else, tomorow it'll be someone else and so on and so forth.

Just because he's seen someone else post something similar doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to air his own grievances. If people don't want to read a "useless thread" why click on it and then ask why we keep posting here. Its a bit oxymoronic. "Oh great This thread again." *click* "I am going to complain/mock the fact that you people keep posting here (when again, yesterday it was somebody else tomorrow it'll be someone new ect ect.)

[David7204]

That post would have had a lot more merit if you hadn't brought in that nonsense.

Let me ask you something. Buying awards and reviews would be a clear violation of all sorts of legal agreements professional reviewers are obliged to uphold. If their corruption is so 'transparent' that a bunch of nobodies on the BSN can see it, why haven't their competitors exposed it and gotten them in trouble?

Modifié par David7204, 07 janvier 2013 - 07:45 .

[T41rdEye]

dorktainian wrote...

oh and chris...don't take this the wrong way. I mean it might seem like it is but it really isnt.

this forum is story discussion and spoilers yes? when is indoctrination (which is prevelent throughout the mass effect trilogy) discussion not story related?

[dorktainian]

David7204 wrote...

That post would have had a lot more merit if you hadn't brought in that nonsense.

Let me ask you something. Buying awards and reviews would be a clear violation of all sorts of legal agreements professional reviewers are obliged to uphold. If their corruption is so 'transparent' that a bunch of nobodies on the BSN can see it, why haven't their competitors exposed it and gotten them in trouble?

seriously.... watch one of the angry joe documentaries.... theres one where he goes to an awards ''do''.... although it does not relate to bioware.... just watch it and cringe.

[giftfish]

@CP --

Emotional investment.

Even though a player might say they are "done" or that they are no longer "interested" in the game (due to poor reception of ME3), they still love the remainder of the series.  They are still interested in ME1 and ME2.  They are emotionally invested in Commander Shepard's story and are still struggling to cope with how ME3 did not live up the expectation they had based on ME1 and ME2. Ultimately, they are looking for comradiere with fellow players.  Even if it is just to vent.

They are likely also, deep down hoping for change. They are hoping that if enough people stand up and say they are "done" or have lost interest it will lead to BW/EA taking steps to implement changes in the game.  Changes that would make the end of Commander Shepard's story more bearable to them.

This is an enormous testament to BioWare for building such a fantastic universe, and being able to tell a story in such an amazing way -- you really do feel like you become a part of it. 

This is why they stick around, despite what they may say.

...Then there are the trolls -- none of this applies to them.

[CoolioThane]

I'm not saying anything about buying awards/reviews at all, just saying that an IGN employee was in the game lol

I liked ME with an IT interpretation of the endings and feel the awards are justified if IT is true...and if it isn't then it's a pretty shoddy game imo. That's just it, my opinion, doesn't change anything, shouldn't annoy anyone.

[dreman9999]

[quote]Dr_Extrem wrote...


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to remind you, that we are your fanbase.
[/quote]Troll much.

[Darth_Trethon]

David7204 wrote...

That post would have had a lot more merit if you hadn't brought in that nonsense.

Let me ask you something. Buying awards and reviews would be a clear violation of all sorts of legal agreements professional reviewers are obliged to uphold. If their corruption is so 'transparent' that a bunch of nobodies on the BSN can see it, why haven't their competitors exposed it and gotten them in trouble?

It's never that straightforward.....they can offer exclussive interviews and such or lift the review embargo early for certain critics and so on in exchange for favorable feedback....all these are perfectly legal and carry A LOT of leverage over the media....the sites that break news when the hyps is hottest get the most hits which means they get more money from the advertisements they dispaly due to larger exposure and they grow in reputation and so on. There are a lot of exploits and loopholes that allow EA to manipulate the industry without literally handing big rolls of cash.

You can choose to believe whatever you like but the facts speak louder thananything else: when ME3 released 99% ot the critics didn't go against EA and either right out ignored the issue and stayed quiet or actually publically attacked and insulted the fans where 99% of the fans were in outrage. I promise you that ind of complete and absolute difference between fan and critic reception is NOT a coincidence or accident.

[Iakus]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Dr_Extrem wrote...


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to remind you, that we are your fanbase.
[/quote]Troll much.
[/quote]

"sic transit gloria mundi"

[David7204]

That is not corruption. That is simply not running your business like an idiot.

Nearly all large enough businesses in existence are going to 'complement' other businesses in one way or another. That is just common sense. You help one another out. You support one another with your products and services. You'd be a complete moron not to do it.

In fact, I could argue that all trade, ever, "manipulates" the other party.

Modifié par David7204, 07 janvier 2013 - 08:00 .

[xsdob]

People taking my post out of context, should have seen that coming.

@Meltemph, oh it's so good to see that attitude of yours is in tact, along with your constant implications of what I feel and why I do things. I wasn't going to respond to this thread until I read prestliy's post and the responses. It has never made sense to me that the whole "my friends are here" reason is given when posting threads is less effective at getting freinds together than making a group.

@dorktanian, I know it is his right, and I never called for it to be taken away from him. But just as I would ask someone going to a movie or seeing a concert or hanging out at a club they have no interest in or even hates, why he does it. I wish to know why someone who doesn't like ME post threads where you will more than likley run into people who do like ME, and will more than likley spark discussion or arguments about mass effect and it's merrits and detractors. I never wanted to imply he shouldn't do it, I just wanted to know why.

@ld1449, I am aware it is more than one person, I should probably have worded that part better. I posted my question because it is something I am actually curious about. Persoanlly I don't see the point of making your own thread on a subject when there is another thread where you can express your views entirly to everyone the exact same way. That just seems like a way to get a thread closed for spam than to express an opinion for everyone to see. Originally I was justing going to post "I still like the Me universe but I'm sorry you feel that way" but after reading prestlieys post it got me thinking and curious. I am sorry if asking a question is the equivalent of being a Hippocratic and acting in a oxymoronic way to you, but it was something I wished to know.

[iOnlySignIn]

Yep. That pretty much sums it up.

ME3 was acceptable to me before EC showed up. Now it's nothing but an insult to the intelligence of its audience.

[dreamgazer]

CoolioThane wrote...

I liked ME with an IT interpretation of the endings and feel the awards are justified if IT is true...and if it isn't then it's a pretty shoddy game imo. That's just it, my opinion, doesn't change anything, shouldn't annoy anyone.

Does Chris locking a nearly year-old thread about an interpretation of a piece of fiction, one that has been squeezed dry of speculation, kill said interpretation for you?

Have a little faith in your own perception.

[dorktainian]

So Indoctrination......

[Isaantia]

I guess I'm the weird minority. I am more interested in the ME universe after the EC and Leviathan. I'm pretty content with the story and universe.

I come here to discuss various topics but I'm growing frustrated with this community because it feels impossible to just have a discussion without it degenerating into an argument about how BW screwed something up.

[CoolioThane]

dreamgazer wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I liked ME with an IT interpretation of the endings and feel the awards are justified if IT is true...and if it isn't then it's a pretty shoddy game imo. That's just it, my opinion, doesn't change anything, shouldn't annoy anyone.

Does Chris locking a nearly year-old thread about an interpretation of a piece of fiction, one that has been squeezed dry of speculation, kill said interpretation for you?

Have a little faith in your own perception.

Where did I say it killed it, mate? I said if it's true (which I believe) ME3 deserves the GOTY awards, and if it isn't it isn't. Lol

[Darth_Trethon]

David7204 wrote...

That is not corruption. That is simply not running your business like an idiot.

Nearly all large enough businesses in existence are going to 'complement' other businesses in one way or another. That is just common sense. You help one another out. You support one another with your products and services. You'd be a complete moron not to do it.

In fact, I could argue that all trade, ever, "manipulates" the other party.

No...they are not idiots...that creates hype which creates sales. A nd yes most trade and advertisements involve some sort of deception althought the game critics have gone completely out of hand due to them getting away with it and both the critics and publishers win from this corrupted hype machine.

But as i said people are starting to gradually see through it for what it is....a trade of favors that hurts the customers and renders "reviews" and "awards" that are fake and have no real meaning or value.

[Meltemph]

@Meltemph, oh it's so good to see that attitude of yours is in tact, along with your constant implications of what I feel and why I do things. I wasn't going to respond to this thread until I read prestliy's post and the responses. It has never made sense to me that the whole "my friends are here" reason is given when posting threads is less effective at getting freinds together than making a group.

You will see a hell of a lot less of these types of topics when the topic becomes nothing more then preaching to the choir. Until that happens(it never will apparently, seeing as how quickly this topic has gotten attention) we will have to read a fairly regular helping of emotional rants.

[David7204]

Tell me. If that was the case, why don't the games with the biggest 'fanbases' get the highest scores and most awards? Why didn't Black Ops 2 and Halo 4 sweep the floor, get 10 out of 10s, and win best game of the year? Surely the big publishers would want to push the biggest games to get the most money?

[Grubas]

David7204 wrote...

That is not corruption. That is simply not running your business like an idiot.

In fact, I could argue that all trade, ever, "manipulates" the other party.

You forget the third party, that is knowles of such a deal and suffers as a result. The third party is you the consumer.

[David7204]

Basic economics that us that such practices increase wealth and generally benefit everyone.

[clarkusdarkus]

I sold the game so by that logic i have no right to be here either.... I'll get me coat

The mediocre game and awfull ending brought me here, sense of habit keeps me here as ME1 will always be a major part of my gaming life.......i also would buy ME3 again in the 0000000.1% hope the plot gets thicknened.