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[Cether]

Zero132132 wrote...

Cether wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

I hate it when people call him a glass cannon. The Infidrell is a glass cannon. The GI just needs a cyclonic modulator, and it's nearly a tank. Hunter mode reduces shields by a set amount, so CMs and fitness basically can make it a non-issue.

Honestly anything in this game that doesn't have 40% damage reduction and over 1000 shields is a glass cannon with 2-3 hit points depending on if your shield gate has been used within the last few seconds or not.

Although if you're putting more than 3 points into fitness as GI you're doing it wrong . And I would argue with TC you dun even need those 3 points in fitness but maybe that's just me :x 

I run a shotgun infiltrator, and I never bother with using PM to deal direct damage (dat debuff), so the last 2 ranks of TC and the last rank of PM mean nothing to me. 5 ranks in fitness, conversely, brings my shields back faster, and since TC cancels shield regen, that actually means a LOT to me.

Without anything in Fitness, how would you even survive banshee warp balls? I never use cloak to deflect aggro, so infiltrators have HORRIBLE survivability for me (except TGI).

Map awareness. After breaking TC you have about 1-2 seconds before enemies start targeting you, which is enough time to get behind soft cover provided you know exactly where it is. Shield regen equipment is also helpful, I always bring either that or straight up shotgun damage

If you don't take the last 2 ranks of TC how do you use the debuff of PM? The standard combo is (with the free power from tier 6 TC) TC -> PM -> Shotgun Blast to the face.

[krogans4life]

a ono voobshe nado wrote...

O, noobs, you again talking about nerfs? Learn to play!

"amen" finally someone who agrees with me

[Alien Number Six]

Shut your nerfing mouth.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Mendelevosa wrote...

 If anyone has seen platinum speedruns with Geth Infiltrators, they should know that Geth can easily clean up all enemies in all 11 waves under 10 minutes. As a matter of fact, the GI has been the cause of effectiveness reductions to powers and weapons such as Hunter Mode, N7 Piranha, Tactical Cloak, ect. It makes me sick that other characters, powers, and weapons have to suffer because the GI wants to outshine all the rest. Maybe if the GI was not overpowered to begin with, TC would probably be a decent power that would not force you to choose between utility and power.

I would propose nerfs to only the GI's powers. When you think about it, a character that can harness the power of all weapons and give further bonuses to Geth weapons make it too effective with such Geth weaponry (especially the Javelin). If only yhe GI's effectiveness is reduced, then the changes won't hurt the other Geth characters.

Biower pls consider making changes to the GI so you all won't have to perform anymore unnecessary nerfs. And do not let other people tell you not to touch the character, because all the BSN users want is to have overpowered characters that allow them to blow through gold difficulty and earn easy credits.

Hit me with your best shot BSN. My rage conductor rod cannot be stopped

-TL:DR
-Reported
-also did you know that the GI has been nerfed DURRRRRRRRRR
-DId you know that you have access to the GI infiltrator class as well

diagnosis

GI kit is beating OPS favorite class and asking for nerfs despite him having access to same class as everyone else.


I recommend

uninstall the game and dont retry


-#havANiceDay/10

[Zero132132]

Cether wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Cether wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

I hate it when people call him a glass cannon. The Infidrell is a glass cannon. The GI just needs a cyclonic modulator, and it's nearly a tank. Hunter mode reduces shields by a set amount, so CMs and fitness basically can make it a non-issue.

Honestly anything in this game that doesn't have 40% damage reduction and over 1000 shields is a glass cannon with 2-3 hit points depending on if your shield gate has been used within the last few seconds or not.

Although if you're putting more than 3 points into fitness as GI you're doing it wrong . And I would argue with TC you dun even need those 3 points in fitness but maybe that's just me :x 

I run a shotgun infiltrator, and I never bother with using PM to deal direct damage (dat debuff), so the last 2 ranks of TC and the last rank of PM mean nothing to me. 5 ranks in fitness, conversely, brings my shields back faster, and since TC cancels shield regen, that actually means a LOT to me.

Without anything in Fitness, how would you even survive banshee warp balls? I never use cloak to deflect aggro, so infiltrators have HORRIBLE survivability for me (except TGI).

Map awareness. After breaking TC you have about 1-2 seconds before enemies start targeting you, which is enough time to get behind soft cover provided you know exactly where it is. Shield regen equipment is also helpful, I always bring either that or straight up shotgun damage

If you don't take the last 2 ranks of TC how do you use the debuff of PM? The standard combo is (with the free power from tier 6 TC) TC -> PM -> Shotgun Blast to the face.

Enemies target me IN TC, so that doesn't work for me.

PM breaks cloak, but you get 2.5 to 1.5 seconds of boosted damage. Basically, Cloak+PM is one practically one move followed by a Claymore shot. I actually think 2 can be boosted if you RC fast enough. But either way, you'll have 1.5 seconds of damage boost, so you don't need rank 6 to get the debuff.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

again OP
do you want GI received the same tragedy as Krysae until no one use it?

SELFISH!!!

[upinya slayin]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

 If anyone has seen platinum speedruns with Geth Infiltrators, they should know that Geth can easily clean up all enemies in all 11 waves under 10 minutes. As a matter of fact, the GI has been the cause of effectiveness reductions to powers and weapons such as Hunter Mode, N7 Piranha, Tactical Cloak, ect. It makes me sick that other characters, powers, and weapons have to suffer because the GI wants to outshine all the rest. Maybe if the GI was not overpowered to begin with, TC would probably be a decent power that would not force you to choose between utility and power.

I would propose nerfs to only the GI's powers. When you think about it, a character that can harness the power of all weapons and give further bonuses to Geth weapons make it too effective with such Geth weaponry (especially the Javelin). If only yhe GI's effectiveness is reduced, then the changes won't hurt the other Geth characters.

Biower pls consider making changes to the GI so you all won't have to perform anymore unnecessary nerfs. And do not let other people tell you not to touch the character, because all the BSN users want is to have overpowered characters that allow them to blow through gold difficulty and earn easy credits.

Hit me with your best shot BSN. My rage conductor rod cannot be stopped

-TL:DR
-Reported
-also did you know that the GI has been nerfed DURRRRRRRRRR
-DId you know that you have access to the GI infiltrator class as well

diagnosis

GI kit is beating OPS favorite class and asking for nerfs despite him having access to same class as everyone else.


I recommend

uninstall the game and dont retry


-#havANiceDay/10

since anyone can do a 10 min plaitnum speedrun, i think OP should do one

[targaryen8]

Oh, look! another "nerf this" thread.
Don't like it? Don't use it.

[Schw4ng1n]

Nerfing has never been easier, OP. Just set the map to Hazard White.

Stay outside...
Activate Hunter Mode...
Done!

You can nerf all three Geth in one fell swoop this way. And only you feel the pain. A win-win for everyone!

[landylan]

TGI is still better. It gets invincibility frames with its stim packs...

If you want a more balanced game, you need less bosses because that is what puts infiltrators so far above other classes now.

The bosses should've always been more limited and turned into incredibly deadly enemies. Of course bosses will always just be bullet soakers now. Just stand behind a wall and use right hand advantage. This game is painfully boring.

[Cether]

Zero132132 wrote...

Cether wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Cether wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

I hate it when people call him a glass cannon. The Infidrell is a glass cannon. The GI just needs a cyclonic modulator, and it's nearly a tank. Hunter mode reduces shields by a set amount, so CMs and fitness basically can make it a non-issue.

Honestly anything in this game that doesn't have 40% damage reduction and over 1000 shields is a glass cannon with 2-3 hit points depending on if your shield gate has been used within the last few seconds or not.

Although if you're putting more than 3 points into fitness as GI you're doing it wrong . And I would argue with TC you dun even need those 3 points in fitness but maybe that's just me :x 

I run a shotgun infiltrator, and I never bother with using PM to deal direct damage (dat debuff), so the last 2 ranks of TC and the last rank of PM mean nothing to me. 5 ranks in fitness, conversely, brings my shields back faster, and since TC cancels shield regen, that actually means a LOT to me.

Without anything in Fitness, how would you even survive banshee warp balls? I never use cloak to deflect aggro, so infiltrators have HORRIBLE survivability for me (except TGI).

Map awareness. After breaking TC you have about 1-2 seconds before enemies start targeting you, which is enough time to get behind soft cover provided you know exactly where it is. Shield regen equipment is also helpful, I always bring either that or straight up shotgun damage

If you don't take the last 2 ranks of TC how do you use the debuff of PM? The standard combo is (with the free power from tier 6 TC) TC -> PM -> Shotgun Blast to the face.

Enemies target me IN TC, so that doesn't work for me.

PM breaks cloak, but you get 2.5 to 1.5 seconds of boosted damage. Basically, Cloak+PM is one practically one move followed by a Claymore shot. I actually think 2 can be boosted if you RC fast enough. But either way, you'll have 1.5 seconds of damage boost, so you don't need rank 6 to get the debuff.

Enemies target you in TC if they see you go into it or if you are in it but walk very close to the front of them (I also believe enemy geth have increased TC detection radius but that's not confirmed ). So what you do is find soft cover or hard cover, TC, do your damage combo, precede back to soft cover, rinse and repeat. The opportunity cost of using the damage buff time created by breaking TC is that during that time the enemies are re-targetting you. Actually using the damage buff time is something you should only do if you're playing with a weapon that needs to fire more than 1 shot to kill an enemy.

[upinya slayin]

landylan wrote...

TGI is still better. It gets invincibility frames with its stim packs...

If you want a more balanced game, you need less bosses because that is what puts infiltrators so far above other classes now.

The bosses should've always been more limited and turned into incredibly deadly enemies. Of course bosses will always just be bullet soakers now. Just stand behind a wall and use right hand advantage. This game is painfully boring.

So i guess your liking BL2 alot more

[oO Stryfe Oo]

lemon00 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...



in the hands of good players yes....in the hands of not so good players no
I've seen epic fails of people using GIs

^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^

not an easy mode character

QFT. Why are we even talking about this? He's a great kit in the hands of good players, and a source of easy revive medals in the hands of others. HM halves his shields, and he has little to no health. A glass cannon if I ever saw one. His high damage potential is justifed. Deal with it.

[upinya slayin]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

lemon00 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...



in the hands of good players yes....in the hands of not so good players no
I've seen epic fails of people using GIs

^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^

not an easy mode character

QFT. Why are we even talking about this? He's a great kit in the hands of good players, and a source of easy revive medals in the hands of others. HM halves his shields, and he has little to no health. A glass cannon if I ever saw one. His high damage potential is justifed. Deal with it.

he has the best damage output for sure and makes eevry wepaon feel a little OP but he has weak shields. If nyathing needs a nerf its teh TGI who can almsot match his damage output when using a harrier and also has stim packs

[ToLazy4Name]

For the love of...

IT'S A COOPERATIVE GAME. AGSFJKHDFGKHJ

[P51Mus7ang]

It needs a serious buff if anything

- More shields and health
- Longer cloak with more damage

I can only run this kit in bronze and that is a struggle

[Sir_Alan_]

Good players make decent kits shine but that doesn't mean everyone can do the same thing. I've seen many a player do really crap with the GI and Ghost (rocking the Piranha and Harrier respectively), the supposedly "any idiot can rape with this guy" kits.

[snarf001]

In the hands of a good player and maxed manifest, any class is overpowered. That being said, some classes are notoriously stronger than others. If everything was the same, I would be bored.

[SilentStep79]

targaryen8 wrote...

Oh, look! another "nerf this" thread.
Don't like it? Don't use it.

i feel BioWare's return from holiday is imminent.

[Cether]

Sir_Alan_ wrote...

Good players make decent kits shine but that doesn't mean everyone can do the same thing. I've seen many a player do really crap with the GI and Ghost (rocking the Piranha and Harrier respectively), the supposedly "any idiot can rape with this guy" kits.

GI hasn't ever been the solution to a bad player. The Kroguard on the other hand...

[JewelsWinnfield]

Mendelevosa wrote...

 If anyone has seen platinum speedruns with Geth Infiltrators, they should know that Geth can easily clean up all enemies in all 11 waves under 10 minutes.

You think the GI is the main reason for Platinum speedruns under 10 minutes? Oh right, good objectives, good players, FBW Glacier and tons of spawn nuking has nothing to do with that...

[Eelectrica]

Good players can make any class appear overpowered.
It's called skill. some have it, others don't
Sadly I don't, but I'm ok with that. Keep on rocking GI's and bludgeon store troll to death!

[Lucifuture]

You should be sorry

[boomshaquanda]

Le OP

[Mendelevosa]

Lucifuture wrote...

You should be sorry

Why? For speaking my mind? Which is what a forum is all about?