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[demersel]

Chris Priestly wrote...
 It could take place in a completely new part of the galaxy with a completely different threat, character, aliens, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Have you just basicly said that the next Mass Effect game will be just a cush-in on the famous brand? Because it sure looks this way. 

[Eryri]

lex0r11 wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Please have Walters, Gamble or Hudson flat out state

"THE ENDING IS NOT AN INDOCTRINATION ATTEMPT"


If it's high time IT dies, at least have the courtesy to deliver an effective killing blow. These fans truly believe(d) in BioWare's brilliance.

Hear, hear.

Agreed. 

[spirosz]

fainmaca wrote...

Chris: Forcing whole sections of your consumer base to go discuss the parts of your product they actually enjoyed in a secluded place, making them jump over additional hurdles to get to the discussions they want to partake in, isn't going to make this site any healthier. It'll just make the less dedicated people leave. Then you'll be left with a site full of an even denser concentration of 'passionate' fans, along with outside sites dedicated to the discussions now designated taboo on here, filled with people complaining that you didn't want them muckying up your site with the stuff they feel is important to them.

This may not be outright censorship, but it damn well smacks of discouragement of free and open discussion. People liked your characters, but now if they want to express that they get partitioned off into discreet little cliques. all this will breed is division, and its damage done by your own hand.

I may not subscribe to the IT, but I think it wrong to stuff them in the back room, forbidding them from expressing their interpretations openly in front of everyone. Its like telling someone they can't discuss their chosen lifestyle/belief system except with somebody who shares those values.

I don't want to antagonise, but I do believe this course of action to be very misguided and detrimental to your site, the top of a slippery slope as it were. As I said, it may not be censorship, but its pretty much the next thing along the scale.

Yep. 

[Meltemph]

I don't want to antagonise, but I do believe this course of action to be very misguided and detrimental to your site, the top of a slippery slope as it were. As I said, it may not be censorship, but its pretty much the next thing along the scale.

While I agree with you that dividing up certain perspectives of the game, specially perspectives that have more to do with the "game" then most of the topics on here, I dont think censorship is that big of a deal, when it comes to companies website.

They should be allowed to censor what the want to, but that doesnt mean it is a good idea or makes any sense. We dont have any "rights" in this forum other then the ones we agree to, by simply coming here.

No need to get overly dramatic by comparing it to lifestyles/belief systems. Just the way the IT theory is being delt with right now, to many of us seems very counter-intuitive to a healthy discussion. No need to try and get on moral high ground to try and make your point more valid, since there is no need to do so, since your point w/o it is very valid.

Modifié par Meltemph, 07 janvier 2013 - 11:56 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Chris already said not to revisit this topic and that it was best served in a Group rather than the forums.

Yup, that he did. And we question that that was the best way to handle this and like to discuss it. Just out of curiosity - did you as a moderator know about this before it happened?

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 07 janvier 2013 - 11:57 .

[Eryri]

Chris Priestly wrote...


As to whether IT is ever confirmed, I may be, but it does not have to be. I am not a writer or anything, but since we have already said that the next ME game will not be a Commander Shepard game, I don't see why it would need to be addressed. It could take place before the ME series. It could take place at the same time as the ME series with different characters living a different aspect of the known series. It could take place in a completely new part of the galaxy with a completely different threat, character, aliens, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

So a prequel (so we'll already know how it ends), midquel (same problem), or something that is effectively Mass Effect in name only, with none of the species or settings we've come to care about?

I can't say I find any of those options appealing.

Modifié par Eryri, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:01 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Me1mN0t wrote...

Do you understand the concept of "lurkers" Chris? Just look at the number of page views. The IT following is not anywhere near as small as you are making it out to be. I really hope BW is not as out of touch with their fanbase as you seem to be.

Your post is a classic example of what I was saying before. At some point IT will need clarified for ME to continue.

Yep, I know exactly how many unique accounts post AND/OR just read the IT thread.

As to whether IT is ever confirmed, I may be, but it does not have to be. I am not a writer or anything, but since we have already said that the next ME game will not be a Commander Shepard game, I don't see why it would need to be addressed. It could take place before the ME series. It could take place at the same time as the ME series with different characters living a different aspect of the known series. It could take place in a completely new part of the galaxy with a completely different threat, character, aliens, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

this level of uncertainty, lets you loose fans. dont get me wrong - but this board shows what happend because of this "speculations"-stuff. the board degenerated into a trench war.

what is wrong with a clear cut? people need it to go foward.

this board does not discuss the game anymore. it is a battle of interpretations and headcanons. if that makes you happy - ok .. but it kills this community. we are bleeding out.


make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it. not out of spite - because, they are tired.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:00 .

[spirosz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it.

Tbh, BSN ususally quiets down when there are new releases - DAIII, ME4 because all they can do is speculate to hard evidence is shown.  It will become loud again once those games come out.  

[The Spamming Troll]

bioware is incompetent at every level.

whoda thought.

[TheRealJayDee]

Meltemph wrote...

They should be allowed to censor what the want to, but that doesnt mean it is a good idea or makes any sense. We dont have any "rights" in this forum other then the ones we agree to, by simply coming here. 

Oh, they are very much allowed to do this, no question. It's part of the site rules and the code of conduct we all have to agree to. Doesn't neccessarily make any course of action legitimated this way wise. Or right.

[byne]

I've got to say, a flat out rejection of IT wouldnt bother me nearly as much as Chris' handling of this situation has.

I dont know about others, but I'm not exactly in favor of this 'separate but equal' thing Chris has forced upon IT. No one should be, regardless of their personal opinion on IT.

Anyways, I'm off for the night.

[spotlessvoid]

This is just so ridiculous. Guess this company doesn't want my money, support, or admiration.

[Dunabar]

Better to neither confirm nor deny IT.

If they confirm it then anyone who didn't believe in it gets smacked in the face in a way.

If they flat out say that IT is not true then the IT followers get smacked in the face..

Better to neither confirm or deny IT, let both parties live in the unknown and let Bioware reveal it when the time comes.

[Iakus]

byne wrote...

I've got to say, a flat out rejection of IT wouldnt bother me nearly as much as Chris' handling of this situation has

Are you saying you'd rather have...closure? :innocent:.

I dont know about others, but I'm not exactly in favor of this 'separate but equal' thing Chris has forced upon IT. No one should be, regardless of their personal opinion on IT.

Anyways, I'm off for the night.

I admit, this has me wondering how long before they start gunning for MEHEM.

[Dr_Extrem]

spirosz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it.

Tbh, BSN ususally quiets down when there are new releases - DAIII, ME4 because all they can do is speculate to hard evidence is shown.  It will become loud again once those games come out.  

if they return ...

my heart still beats for shepard and the crew. to me, mass effect was mass effect, because of this group of individuals and their adventures. i doubt, that a new mass effect game will catch me again.
everything will remember me of the "good old times" - the citadel, the mass relays, the species. the new hero would have to stand up to shepard - as well as the rest of the crew. shepard, garrus, liara and tali cant be replaced.

[Codename_Code]

He locked the tread because he cant moderate so much speculation from everybody ?. The indoctrination theory thread is a mass effect 3 story and campaign discussion ( and a spoilerific one ), and will die if you confine it in groups only, if you ban this you will have to ban every other ending related discussion to keep it fair.

oh, you don't want people making 4000 pages threads speculating about the possibility that the ending is a dream ? then please, tell the big guys on Bioware to confirm/deny their artistic stuff so we can leave your forum alone.

Modifié par Codename_Code, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:09 .

[drewid78]

hi chris,
I dont post much but had to ask doesn't the examples you give for non IT confirmation only work if ME4 (which im really looking forward to... love the ME universe to much not to) is set before or during ME 1-3?
After the events of ME3 if IT isnt true and control is picked im pretty sure a reaper of some description would be near any new galaxy threat... and then sheps reaper army would get involved.
In the case of Synthisis, doesnt this effect all life everywhere? or is there an outer limit of effected space?
Ok i can see destroy meaning there are areas of the galaxy where you can do a game after ME3... but that kinda proves the point... destroy (with or without IT) seems the only plausible way.
If you set it after and confirm Synth or control ... then you have by defult rejected IT.
sorry its late hear and im tired so I hope this makes sence!
Thanks for reading (presuming you do!)

[spotlessvoid]

Indoctrination Theory mitigated a lot of the early outrage and saved them some money in otherwise lost sales. And this is how they repay it. By banning the topic.

[spirosz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it.

Tbh, BSN ususally quiets down when there are new releases - DAIII, ME4 because all they can do is speculate to hard evidence is shown.  It will become loud again once those games come out.  

if they return ...

my heart still beats for shepard and the crew. to me, mass effect was mass effect, because of this group of individuals and their adventures. i doubt, that a new mass effect game will catch me again.
everything will remember me of the "good old times" - the citadel, the mass relays, the species. the new hero would have to stand up to shepard - as well as the rest of the crew. shepard, garrus, liara and tali cant be replaced.

And I understand, but there are a lot of fans here that are looking forward to ME4.  It will still be busy.  

[automatic man]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Please have Walters, Gamble or Hudson flat out state

"THE ENDING IS NOT AN INDOCTRINATION ATTEMPT"


If it's high time IT dies, at least have the courtesy to deliver an effective killing blow. These fans truly believe(d) in BioWare's brilliance.

Agree 100%

I'm sure BW loves the fact that it's fans have many different ways to speculate/interpret the endings but I sincerely believe that with IT needs at some point be confirmed or denied . No speculation, nothing more just one answer one way or the other

[Iakus]

Dunabar wrote...

Better to neither confirm nor deny IT.

If they confirm it then anyone who didn't believe in it gets smacked in the face in a way.

If they flat out say that IT is not true then the IT followers get smacked in the face..

Better to neither confirm or deny IT, let both parties live in the unknown and let Bioware reveal it when the time comes.

Can't speak for believers of IT, but as someone who doesn't believe in it.

If it were ever to be outright confirmed, I'd be okay with the idea as long as we got some sort of "reveal" dlc (I always like to see the "how the con went down" scenes in caper flicks).  I'm grownup enough to accept when a theory of mine proves to be wrong.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Indoctrination Theory mitigated a lot of the early outrage and saved them some money in otherwise lost sales. And this is how they repay it. By banning the topic.

Well, that's because they think they can sell their Mass Effect related products just as well without it. 

[FemShep13]

Eryri wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Please have Walters, Gamble or Hudson flat out state

"THE ENDING IS NOT AN INDOCTRINATION ATTEMPT"


If it's high time IT dies, at least have the courtesy to deliver an effective killing blow. These fans truly believe(d) in BioWare's brilliance.

Hear, hear.

I agree I feel like IT right now is Shep in the Perfect Destroy Ending just lying bloody in the rubble leaving us all wondering if it's really over or not

Agreed. 

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

this level of uncertainty, lets you loose fans. dont get me wrong - but this board shows what happend because of this "speculations"-stuff. the board degenerated into a trench war.

what is wrong with a clear cut? people need it to go foward.

this board does not discuss the game anymore. it is a battle of interpretations and headcanons. if that makes you happy - ok .. but it kills this community. we are bleeding out.


make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it. not out of spite - because, they are tired.

It's not BioWare's fault that forums became a battleground. It happened because of too vocal people who lacks self-control. Those people rather start a new holy war than try to analize game events or ask right questions which can be adressed by fans or developers themselves (via DLCs).

...Call me a monster if you want, but I still think that it's community who needs some refreshing, not BioWare.

[Dr_Extrem]

spirosz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it.

Tbh, BSN ususally quiets down when there are new releases - DAIII, ME4 because all they can do is speculate to hard evidence is shown.  It will become loud again once those games come out.  

if they return ...

my heart still beats for shepard and the crew. to me, mass effect was mass effect, because of this group of individuals and their adventures. i doubt, that a new mass effect game will catch me again.
everything will remember me of the "good old times" - the citadel, the mass relays, the species. the new hero would have to stand up to shepard - as well as the rest of the crew. shepard, garrus, liara and tali cant be replaced.

And I understand, but there are a lot of fans here that are looking forward to ME4.  It will still be busy.  

without a doubt ...