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[spirosz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

without a doubt ...

Also, personally, why I'm still here is because of a lot of folks here, there are a lot of great people here, regardless of the quality of the game(s) Bioware are releasing.  

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

this level of uncertainty, lets you loose fans. dont get me wrong - but this board shows what happend because of this "speculations"-stuff. the board degenerated into a trench war.

what is wrong with a clear cut? people need it to go foward.

this board does not discuss the game anymore. it is a battle of interpretations and headcanons. if that makes you happy - ok .. but it kills this community. we are bleeding out.


make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it. not out of spite - because, they are tired.

It's not BioWare's fault that forums became a battleground. It happened because of too vocal people who lacks self-control. Those people rather start a new holy war than try to analize game events or ask right questions which can be adressed by fans or developers themselves (via DLCs).

...Call me a monster if you want, but I still think that it's community who needs some refreshing, not BioWare.

well .. you will get what you want. have fun with the new kids - the current ones are a known quantity. russian community roulette.

[Dunabar]

iakus wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Better to neither confirm nor deny IT.

If they confirm it then anyone who didn't believe in it gets smacked in the face in a way.

If they flat out say that IT is not true then the IT followers get smacked in the face..

Better to neither confirm or deny IT, let both parties live in the unknown and let Bioware reveal it when the time comes.

Can't speak for believers of IT, but as someone who doesn't believe in it.

If it were ever to be outright confirmed, I'd be okay with the idea as long as we got some sort of "reveal" dlc (I always like to see the "how the con went down" scenes in caper flicks).  I'm grownup enough to accept when a theory of mine proves to be wrong.

That is why I said

Dunabar wrote...
Better to neither confirm or deny IT, let both parties live in the
unknown and let Bioware reveal it when the time comes.

We will know when the time comes.

Modifié par Dunabar, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:15 .

[69_Gio_69]

Normally I do not post much, but I need to get this off my chest. I think you are making a mistake by banning the IT-thread. You are really emphasising on the negative points when it comes to the IT thread. I totally agree (and it annoyed me too) that more then half of the posts where off topic, but at the same time the topic gave the most in-depth discussions I have seen on these forums.

After I finished the game I discovered these forums. And the reason I came back was the IT thread, because the most in depth (some call it nitpicky) analyses where done there. If you only look at the first page of the closed thread, you can see how productive all the discussions where that went on in there.

But I never felt the need to actually involve myself in the discussion. Mostly because I thought other people in the thread could discuss better (English isn't my first language), and had more knowledge about the game then I did. I think that is the case for more people.

At the moment it doesn't really bother me that the thread is closes, because, everything the game has to offer has been analysed to death. But, when the new DLC (that will make everyone cry etc.) comes out, I need a topic like the IT thread. So I can enjoy all the little things you (Bioware) put in the game, that I missed.

I think there are other ways to solve the problem. The easiest one is like someone said in this thread before: make sure the thread doesn't get off-topic, and doesn't become a chat or mega thread.

I want to finish with thanking everybody who posted in the IT thread. Because of you people I really learned how much more depth there was in ME. For all the little things I learned that I overlooked in my own playthrough.

[Dr_Extrem]

spirosz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

without a doubt ...

Also, personally, why I'm still here is because of a lot of folks here, there are a lot of great people here, regardless of the quality of the game(s) Bioware are releasing.  

certain parts of the community are driving me away from this place. people who are spreading false statements, just out of spite, are one reason. i will stay until the dlc-cycle is finished - then i will make a decision.

[Iakus]

Dunabar wrote...

We will know when the time comes.

Time should have come at the end of ME3.  Or EC at the latest.  But that's kinda moot now.

[spirosz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

without a doubt ...

Also, personally, why I'm still here is because of a lot of folks here, there are a lot of great people here, regardless of the quality of the game(s) Bioware are releasing.  

certain parts of the community are driving me away from this place. people who are spreading false statements, just out of spite, are one reason. i will stay until the dlc-cycle is finished - then i will make a decision.

That's why I like to be around people that have happy, good vibes, tbh.  

[fainmaca]

spirosz wrote...
Also, personally, why I'm still here is because of a lot of folks here, there are a lot of great people here, regardless of the quality of the game(s) Bioware are releasing.  

Basically the same for me. Discussing the game lost its charm a long time ago (due to actions taken on both sides of the rift that now exists between company and consumer), but using this site as a Social Network is still worthwhile for the most part. In short, Bioware isn't keeping me here (far from it). Their fans are. You know, the people getting separated into neat little circles, insulated from one another's input.

Modifié par fainmaca, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:20 .

[demersel]

69_Gio_69 wrote...
I want to finish with thanking everybody who posted in the IT thread. Because of you people I really learned how much more depth there was in ME. For all the little things I learned that I overlooked in my own playthrough.

Thanks, and you're welcome. Don't worry, We'll keep digging. Here is the IT group social.bioware.com/group/7365/

[spirosz]

fainmaca wrote...

spirosz wrote...
Also, personally, why I'm still here is because of a lot of folks here, there are a lot of great people here, regardless of the quality of the game(s) Bioware are releasing.  

Basically the same for me. Discussing the game lost its charm a long time ago (due to actions taken on both sides of the rift that now exists between company and consumer), but using this site as a Social Network is still worthwhile for the most part. In short, Bioware isn't keeping me here (far from it). Their fans are. You know, the people getting separated into neat little circles, insulated from one another's input.

Exactly. 

[Ticonderoga117]

So, another topic gets pushed out of the public eye because "It's not popular enough" or some other hot air. Since romance discussion also went the way of the dodo, why don't we just lock down every forum but the MP section? Why not? There's more insults and heated discussion over the game itself than Romances.

[TheRealJayDee]

fainmaca wrote...

spirosz wrote...
Also, personally, why I'm still here is because of a lot of folks here, there are a lot of great people here, regardless of the quality of the game(s) Bioware are releasing.  

Basically the same for me. Discussing the game lost its charm a long time ago (due to actions taken on both sides of the rift that now exists between company and consumer), but using this site as a Social Network is still worthwhile for the most part. In short, Bioware isn't keeping me here (far from it). Their fans are. You know, the people getting separated into neat little circles, insulated from one another's input.

Well said.

[Meltemph]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

this level of uncertainty, lets you loose fans. dont get me wrong - but this board shows what happend because of this "speculations"-stuff. the board degenerated into a trench war.

what is wrong with a clear cut? people need it to go foward.

this board does not discuss the game anymore. it is a battle of interpretations and headcanons. if that makes you happy - ok .. but it kills this community. we are bleeding out.


make the next game how-, where- and with whoever you want ... a lot of people might not be around anymore to see it. not out of spite - because, they are tired.

It's not BioWare's fault that forums became a battleground. It happened because of too vocal people who lacks self-control. Those people rather start a new holy war than try to analize game events or ask right questions which can be adressed by fans or developers themselves (via DLCs).

...Call me a monster if you want, but I still think that it's community who needs some refreshing, not BioWare.

No... The problem is the emotional arguements from people who loved/hated the endings.  Thsoe in the middle catch the brunt of the loudest and more then likly the truest minority(the overly defensive fans and the obsesive haters of the game).  Those of us not so attached to the game, but either enjoyed it enough to ignore the problems or those who thought it was unenjoyable as a story and enjoy talking about the issues have a hard time having a good discussion because of all the nonsense that gets flooded inbetween.  

Your post is the perfect example of what I am talking about as well.  These overly grandios statements to try and generalize a portion of the fanbase is nothing more then hiding behind a red haring.  The thing is it is incredibly easy to point out who these people are as well.  Either they are making crazy rants against the company or the game, and constant preaching as to the evilness of BW/EA; or those who love the game as whole, who always make it a point to repsond to the most crazy of those who disliked/hated the game, and then try and use them as the poster-boys as to "what is so wrong with this forum", the self-fullfilling prophecy that it is.

I would say the encouragement of megathreads on this board, also, play a rather significant role in stifling the ability to disceminate a lot of the information in those threads, which lead to a lot of down right foolishness in those threads.   Because it is so hard to go through 15 pages of nonsense to get those good posts, you are going to have people take advantage of this, and start taking the topic to 50 different directions(which then you end up with the mess that is the megathreads like the IT theory one).

Modifié par Meltemph, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[Dunabar]

iakus wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

We will know when the time comes.

Time should have come at the end of ME3.  Or EC at the latest.  But that's kinda moot now.

Well don't know what to tell you. Best I can say is that if confirming it or disclaiming it is in their plans then we will see when we reach that stage of their plans.

We can either wait and see what happens or go elsewhere. Im waiting like other people are and im not getting my feathers ruffled, thats just me though and I only speak for myself.

[Dragoonlordz]

It was right to be locked, it is right that now turns to using groups for that discussion. All other threads follow the same rules in general which is when there is nothing new added to the discussion about the topic itself and is merely being bumped for the purpose of either bickering or off topic discussion then just like any other thread relating to any topic which is no longer is on topic; it should get locked. It's off topic bumps are just taking the place on the front page where a more on topic current and productive thread should be.

Whether some people treat this site as their own personal life blog or chat with friends about random things thats their choice but that is not this sites purpose (main purpose). It's main purpose is the feedback and discussion about the games Bioware has made or is making. Thats why the sections are labelled specifically and have to have registered copy of the game to post in some. For everything else you have groups or blog pages even an off topic section on here you can use if just want to "chat" with friends about random stuff.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:29 .

[69_Gio_69]

demersel wrote...

69_Gio_69 wrote...
I want to finish with thanking everybody who posted in the IT thread. Because of you people I really learned how much more depth there was in ME. For all the little things I learned that I overlooked in my own playthrough.

Thanks, and you're welcome. Don't worry, We'll keep digging. Here is the IT group social.bioware.com/group/7365/

Okay great! I saw it, subscribed immediately 

[spirosz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It was right to be locked, it is right that now turns to using groups for that discussion. All other threads follow the same rules in general which is when there is nothing new added to the discussion about the topic itself and is merely being bumped for the purpose of either bickering or off topic discussion then just like any other thread relating to any topic which is no longer is on topic; it should get locked. It's off topic bumps are just taking the place on the front page where a more on topic current and productive thread should be.

Why don't they close off the MP section, since there is nothing new except updates or the story section since we all know what the story is about? Lets just have a section called "DLC discussion" for future SP & MP DLC and make the rest of the dicussions go into groups.    

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

It's not BioWare's fault that forums became a battleground. It happened because of too vocal people who lacks self-control. Those people rather start a new holy war than try to analize game events or ask right questions which can be adressed by fans or developers themselves (via DLCs).

...Call me a monster if you want, but I still think that it's community who needs some refreshing, not BioWare.

Erm, they start what you refer to as "holy wars" because of how they analyze game events not because they don't anaylyze them. They draw different conclusions and are told these different views were exactly the point. Then they argue about which conclusion makes more sense, so no theresult is not entirely the fault of the the community, this was going to be the result because design the developers chose. I have yet to see an interpretive work where everone draws the exact same conclusion. There are no right questions to ask in this scenario, you won't get a straight answer regardless, as Chris made perfecly clear not a few pages ago.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:31 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

It's not BioWare's fault that forums became a battleground. It happened because of too vocal people who lacks self-control. Those people rather start a new holy war than try to analize game events or ask right questions which can be adressed by fans or developers themselves (via DLCs).

...Call me a monster if you want, but I still think that it's community who needs some refreshing, not BioWare.

Erm, they start what you refer to as "holy wars" because of how they analyze game events. They draw different conclusions and are told these different views were exactly the point. Then they argue about which conclusion makes more sense, so no theresult is not entirely the fault of the the community, this was going to be the result because design the developers chose. I have yet to see an interpretive work where everone draws the exact same conclusion. There are no right questions to ask in this scenario, you won't get a straight answer regardless, as Chris made perfecly clear not a few pages ago.

word.

it is simply too late for the big reveal ... analysing and pretending that the own conclusion is superior, have become a very bad habit here.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:32 .

[Ticonderoga117]

spirosz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It was right to be locked, it is right that now turns to using groups for that discussion. All other threads follow the same rules in general which is when there is nothing new added to the discussion about the topic itself and is merely being bumped for the purpose of either bickering or off topic discussion then just like any other thread relating to any topic which is no longer is on topic; it should get locked. It's off topic bumps are just taking the place on the front page where a more on topic current and productive thread should be.

Why don't they close off the MP section, since there is nothing new except updates or the story section since we all know what the story is about? Lets just have a section called "DLC discussion" for future SP & MP DLC and make the rest of the dicussions go into groups.    

Or just close the entire forums since DLC dicussion usually talks about:
Fix the ending for once, not break it some more.
Dinosaurs!
Romance.
Citadel.

So... why are we here again? Why is this entire forum not closed again?

[Cassandra Saturn]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

It's not BioWare's fault that forums became a battleground. It happened because of too vocal people who lacks self-control. Those people rather start a new holy war than try to analize game events or ask right questions which can be adressed by fans or developers themselves (via DLCs).

...Call me a monster if you want, but I still think that it's community who needs some refreshing, not BioWare.

Erm, they start what you refer to as "holy wars" because of how they analyze game events not because they don't anaylyze them. They draw different conclusions and are told these different views were exactly the point. Then they argue about which conclusion makes more sense, so no theresult is not entirely the fault of the the community, this was going to be the result because design the developers chose. I have yet to see an interpretive work where everone draws the exact same conclusion. There are no right questions to ask in this scenario, you won't get a straight answer regardless, as Chris made perfecly clear not a few pages ago.

that's correct

[spirosz]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It was right to be locked, it is right that now turns to using groups for that discussion. All other threads follow the same rules in general which is when there is nothing new added to the discussion about the topic itself and is merely being bumped for the purpose of either bickering or off topic discussion then just like any other thread relating to any topic which is no longer is on topic; it should get locked. It's off topic bumps are just taking the place on the front page where a more on topic current and productive thread should be.

Why don't they close off the MP section, since there is nothing new except updates or the story section since we all know what the story is about? Lets just have a section called "DLC discussion" for future SP & MP DLC and make the rest of the dicussions go into groups.    

Or just close the entire forums since DLC dicussion usually talks about:
Fix the ending for once, not break it some more.
Dinosaurs!
Romance.
Citadel.

So... why are we here again? Why is this entire forum not closed again?

We are here because ME4 will be awesome and DA III will make me want to cosplay as Varric

[GreyLycanTrope]

Dr_Extrem wrote...
word.

it is simply too late for the big reveal ... analysing and pretending that the own conclusion is superior, have become a very bad habit here.

All the more reason my preferred one is unofficial, had enough of that nonsense

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:36 .

[Cassandra Saturn]

Chris, i have question.
do you believe ME4 on UE4 (unreal engine 4) would be very much more amazing and bigger, clear than anything of the scale not done before right? as far i know, ME1 had UE or UE2 and ME3 has UE3 so here's slight chance that ME4 will run on UE4?

Modifié par superblaze1, 08 janvier 2013 - 12:41 .

[Dr_Extrem]

superblaze1 wrote...

Chris, i have question.
do you believe ME4 on UE4 (unreal engine 4) would be very much more amazing and bigger, clear than anything of the scale not done before right? as far i know, ME1 had UE or UE2 and ME3 has UE3 so here's slight chance that ME4 will run on UE4?

all mass effect game to this date use ue3 - me3 just squeezed out the last possible drop.