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[cowoline]

If this topic as been posted before, then I apologize, but I haven't seen it:)

I was wondering if I am the only one really hoping that we will finally get to meet Grand Enchanter Fiona? I really like her, despite her hotheaded nature.


(For those who don't know who she is, she is a former elven mage warden, who rejoined the circle wanting to change it. She is one of the mages who strongly believe that the circle needs to be seperate from the chantry:D. She has a large role in The calling and a smaller one in Asunder.)


I just really REALLY want to meet her. Am I the only one who is curious about her? And what role do you think she will play in DA III if present. (Yes, I know this is high speculative, just curious about what you others thought)

Modifié par cowoline, 14 janvier 2013 - 08:16 .

[LobselVith8]

I think it would be interesting to meet Fiona, and to find out of Alistair is her son, or if it's someone we haven't met before. Having served as a Grey Warden, and possibly being cured of having to go to the Calling, could play a role. She seems like a fascinating character, and I rather like her quote about the Divine. I'm glad that she was able to spearhead the emancipation of the Circles of Magi from the Chantry and the templars. Possibly, she's one of the mage leaders for the revolution.

[leighzard]

I'd love to see Fiona. I liked her character in the Calling and I'd really like to know why she left the Wardens for the Circle. I mean, what events led her to leave. Since she's possibly no longer affected by the darkspawn taint I can see that causing her some trouble within the order as all of her friends go off to the calling. It seems like her unique circumstances would make her an interesting character to see more from.

I also still believe she's *cough* someone's mom.

[Noviere]

I'd love to meet her as well. I enjoyed her in the books, and it would be logical for her to be present in DA3 due to her role in the Circle. I also quite like Rhys and Evangeline.

[Danny Boy 7]

I'd be surprised if she didn't show up in the game, however I've never been a fan of hers, I don't hate her, I just don't know enough about her. I always felt like she was using the mages for her own...plots, might be to dark a word. However it seemed like (with Anders) she felt there could be no compromise, which I just have a problem with from a purely philosophical level. Someone said it better than I did, in that she has a very "my way is the best for all" or "they're to ignorant to understand so I'll make them understand" mentality. Again she's probably right in a lot of regards, however forcing people for or against the separation into a war that will cost thousands of lives isn't cool in my book.

But to say I don't admire her dedication would be a mistake on my part. I think she is the perfect leader for the mage rebellion, if only because she is convincing in her arguments and able to unify a good bit of the rebellion in a way I don't think anyone else could.

However I hope that when we meet her we see her flaws and virtues the way that some did with Loghain or in some cases the Arishok. I just wonder how she'd react to seeing her son again (if it is Alistair) after essentially abandoning him. I don't blame her, however if Alistair is alive I imagine he would be.

Conversely the templar/seeker leader should really compliment her in some way, not purely insane or "evil" or vaguely tortured (like Meredith) but someone who makes their cause equally as appealing as the mages.

[duckley]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I'd be surprised if she didn't show up in the game, however I've never been a fan of hers, I don't hate her, I just don't know enough about her. I always felt like she was using the mages for her own...plots, might be to dark a word. However it seemed like (with Anders) she felt there could be no compromise, which I just have a problem with from a purely philosophical level. Someone said it better than I did, in that she has a very "my way is the best for all" or "they're to ignorant to understand so I'll make them understand" mentality. Again she's probably right in a lot of regards, however forcing people for or against the separation into a war that will cost thousands of lives isn't cool in my book.

But to say I don't admire her dedication would be a mistake on my part. I think she is the perfect leader for the mage rebellion, if only because she is convincing in her arguments and able to unify a good bit of the rebellion in a way I don't think anyone else could.

However I hope that when we meet her we see her flaws and virtues the way that some did with Loghain or in some cases the Arishok. I just wonder how she'd react to seeing her son again (if it is Alistair) after essentially abandoning him. I don't blame her, however if Alistair is alive I imagine he would be.

Conversely the templar/seeker leader should really compliment her in some way, not purely insane or "evil" or vaguely tortured (like Meredith) but someone who makes their cause equally as appealing as the mages.

Liked her in the Calling - hated her in Asunder -

I totally agree with your assessment here. Elie Wiesel a well -known author said  in one of his books something like:
 "the wise man has many truths and that is his weakness - the murderer has just one, and that is his strength."

Single-minded self-righteousness just doesn't appeal to me. Loghain, Anders, Meredith - murderers all!

[Cobra's_back]

Fiona and Rhys would be excellent in DA3. Love to see them both.

[Doctoglethorpe]

I just want them to finally confirm that she is Alistar's mother so the doubters will go home. 


Uh, spoilers btw. 

[Fredward]

I like her BECAUSE of her hotheaded nature.

Free ALL the mages!

[Danny Boy 7]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

I just want them to finally confirm that she is Alistar's mother so the doubters will go home. 


Uh, spoilers btw. 

And if she's not ? Honestly I think that might be answered as a minor one off line in DA3 or the upcoming Until We Sleep comic where Maric tells Alistair about his mother.

[Northern Sun]

If she is Alistair's mother, I'd love to see them meet and have a conversation, especially if Alistair is king.

[Urzon]

While I enjoy the theory of her being Alistair's mother, I can very easily see Maric having numerous bastard children running around Ferelden, maybe even beyound. Alistair being one of said numerous bastard children.

[Quill74Pen]

Urzon wrote...

While I enjoy the theory of her being Alistair's mother, I can very easily see Maric having numerous bastard children running around Ferelden, maybe even beyound. Alistair being one of said numerous bastard children.

I am inclined to disagree, as to me, it would *dilute* one of the major premises of DAO — namely, the struggle to have Alistair named king so Ferelden could finally turn its focus to the Blight.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Urzon wrote...

While I enjoy the theory of her being Alistair's mother, I can very easily see Maric having numerous bastard children running around Ferelden, maybe even beyound. Alistair being one of said numerous bastard children.

The problem is that everything short of a direct confirmation points to it being Alistar.

They plotted to make sure nobody knew he was half-elf.  No doubt even the people they conspired with to hide him wouldn't know as it would serve no purpose to tell them.  Second, the relationship between Alistar and Duncan.  If he was just another random bastard why did Duncan have particular family-like interest in him?  Where as DUncan said in the book he would watch over him, in an obi-wan like way I would add.  Plus the baby is specified to look human, blonde hair, etc.  Its just a lot of detail that heavily implies Alistar to anybody who read it for them to say "just kidding."

The way The Calling detailed it set it up perfect to be him.  Its all but set in stone with the lack of an actual name.  So I don't get the doubt. 

Of course, the most likely reason they even did leave the improbable chance that it isn't him open was just to make people speculate.  So mission accomplished. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 08 janvier 2013 - 09:06 .

[Urzon]

Quill74Pen wrote...

I am inclined to disagree, as to me, it would *dilute* one of the major premises of DAO — namely, the struggle to have Alistair named king so Ferelden could finally turn its focus to the Blight.

How would it dilute the plot? Alistair is still Maric's son, and still a bastard son. The possiblity of Fiona being, or not being, his mother in no way changes that plot in DAO.

Unless of course, you are implying that Alistair would be less special, and unique, if he was only one of Maric numerous bastards.

[PsychoBlonde]

cowoline wrote...

I just really REALLY want to meet her. Am I the only one who is curious about her? And what role do you think she will play in DA III if present. (Yes, I know this is high speculative, just curious about what you others thought)

Eh, we'll see.  I didn't like her character much in The Calling--she felt like a parody of far too many Injured Romance Novel Heroines Who Are Saved When They Finally Meet A Nice Guy.  She's got a chip on her shoulder the size of Par Vollen.

I also found it uncharacteristically weird (inasmuch as she had a "character" to begin with and didn't just exist to give Maric something to do) that she would rejoin the Circle or even care what happened to other mages--in The Calling she disliked other mages intensely and found it a relief to get away by becoming a Warden.  Why would she then go BACK?  Her new position as Grand Enchanter is probably a setup for the return of Maric and events surrounding that business.

Eh, we'll see.

[SynGMW]

It would make sense for her to appear in DA3, given her position, and it would be nice to have an official confirmation about Alistair (it seems pretty obvious to me). Personally, I like to think Fiona being his mother is why he was able to do Templar things and never use/be addicted to lyrium (though I know it was done simply for gameplay mechanics).

[The Elder King]

SynGMW wrote...

It would make sense for her to appear in DA3, given her position, and it would be nice to have an official confirmation about Alistair (it seems pretty obvious to me). Personally, I like to think Fiona being his mother is why he was able to do Templar things and never use/be addicted to lyrium (though I know it was done simply for gameplay mechanics).

Alistair in DAO said that templars don't need lyrium to use their abilities. This was later confirmed as an error by Bioware. Being an half-elf would explain it, if having elf blood would mean that he could naturally use templar-like abilities, which we don't know.
The fact that his mother was a mage (if he's Fiona's son), as far as we know about being the child of a mage without being a mage, shouldn't mean that much. There is no sign that a non-mage born from a mage have some natural attitude toward templars abilities.

[_- Songlian -]

I do hope she will appear in DA:I, she's one of my favorite characters in the novels.

Modifié par - Songlian -, 08 janvier 2013 - 03:25 .

[Chaos Lord Malek]

She will probably be a boss. Possessed by dragon blood or something.

[Priisus]

I'm waiting to see the resolution of the comics (Until We Sleep). I'm hoping for Marric and Fiona's reunion if possible, and how they will react towards the current conflict in Thedas.

I enjoy the Asunders characters from both sides of the conflicts, and would like to meet the survivors in DA3.

And somehow have a feeling that Fiona's son's identity will still be kept a secret in DA3, the devs love to tease

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

cowoline wrote...

I just really REALLY want to meet her. Am I the only one who is curious about her? And what role do you think she will play in DA III if present. (Yes, I know this is high speculative, just curious about what you others thought)

Eh, we'll see.  I didn't like her character much in The Calling--she felt like a parody of far too many Injured Romance Novel Heroines Who Are Saved When They Finally Meet A Nice Guy.  She's got a chip on her shoulder the size of Par Vollen.

I also found it uncharacteristically weird (inasmuch as she had a "character" to begin with and didn't just exist to give Maric something to do) that she would rejoin the Circle or even care what happened to other mages--in The Calling she disliked other mages intensely and found it a relief to get away by becoming a Warden.  Why would she then go BACK?  Her new position as Grand Enchanter is probably a setup for the return of Maric and events surrounding that business.

Eh, we'll see.

According to the book, she had a reason for that chip on her shoulder.  One being she was enslaved by her former master for being beautiful, and a mage both.  This was an Orlasian Noble who basically kidnapped her. He beat the snoot out of her everyday.  Second, because she as an elf.  She was his plaything since she was very young, she finally kills this guy with her magic.  Then she is sent to the tower in Orlais where she was locked up again, and she only had a way out by joining the Wardens. 

Yes, I'd love to see her in the game, I think she is fantastic character.  Her backstory was emotional.   In the book it really surprised me in regards to her relationship with Maric, how they were attracted to each other.  I have often wondered how much Duncan actually told Alistiar (if she is his mother).   I'd also like to know how she is taintless now.  How did that really happened?  Her story also shows the hardships of being a mage, an elf, and a warden. 

I can also see Maric being a womanizer, it's been discussed alot that Alistair isn't the only bastard and it's wondered ingame if Calian had any.   If you are a female warden and you take Loghain into your party, Loghain makes a crack on losing Alistair that you'll thank him for that later?????  Even if your a noble female and you persuade Alistair in becoming his wife, he basically tells you...yeah, I need a kid, so I'll be screwing around!  .   It's implied that all three Theirin men were womanizers.   Not necessairly proven, but implied.

[AlexanderCousland]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...


According to the book, she had a reason for that chip on her shoulder.  One being she was enslaved by her former master for being beautiful, and a mage both.  This was an Orlasian Noble who basically kidnapped her. He beat the snoot out of her everyday.  Second, because she as an elf.  She was his plaything since she was very young, she finally kills this guy with her magic.  Then she is sent to the tower in Orlais where she was locked up again, and she only had a way out by joining the Wardens. 

Yes, I'd love to see her in the game, I think she is fantastic character.  Her backstory was emotional.   In the book it really surprised me in regards to her relationship with Maric, how they were attracted to each other.  I have often wondered how much Duncan actually told Alistiar (if she is his mother).   I'd also like to know how she is taintless now.  How did that really happened?  Her story also shows the hardships of being a mage, an elf, and a warden. 

I can also see Maric being a womanizer, it's been discussed alot that Alistair isn't the only bastard and it's wondered ingame if Calian had any.   If you are a female warden and you take Loghain into your party, Loghain makes a crack on losing Alistair that you'll thank him for that later?????  Even if your a noble female and you persuade Alistair in becoming his wife, he basically tells you...yeah, I need a kid, so I'll be screwing around!  .   It's implied that all three Theirin men were womanizers.   Not necessairly proven, but implied.

I dont see how you feel Theirin men are womanizers;)

I also cringe at that term because it implies the women they are involved with have/had no culpability in terms of their relationships with Theirin men. It also sounds like the women are victims of the situation and fails to recognize they have a choice. 

Fiona would be great tho, shes the perfect person to help rally the mages.

[Addai]

PsychoBlonde wrote...
Eh, we'll see.  I didn't like her character much in The Calling--she felt like a parody of far too many Injured Romance Novel Heroines Who Are Saved When They Finally Meet A Nice Guy.  She's got a chip on her shoulder the size of Par Vollen.

I don't get this.  If anything it's the other way around.  Maric was a mess and at the end he's found peace again and can return to his duties.  Fiona changes her opinion about him, that's all.

I also found it uncharacteristically weird (inasmuch as she had a "character" to begin with and didn't just exist to give Maric something to do) that she would rejoin the Circle or even care what happened to other mages--in The Calling she disliked other mages intensely and found it a relief to get away by becoming a Warden.  Why would she then go BACK?  Her new position as Grand Enchanter is probably a setup for the return of Maric and events surrounding that business.

Eh, we'll see.

Yeah, I find that incongrous as well.  She did not seem like the same character, and it reminds me too much of Origins characters not developing well or organically when they're brought back for new story lines.  I could see her getting caught up in the mage rebellion but how she ended up as Grand Enchanter of the Circle is mystifying.

[LobselVith8]

Addai67 wrote...

Yeah, I find that incongrous as well.  She did not seem like the same character, and it reminds me too much of Origins characters not developing well or organically when they're brought back for new story lines.  I could see her getting caught up in the mage rebellion but how she ended up as Grand Enchanter of the Circle is mystifying.

It does seem more like something The Warden (from the Circle) might do, since Wynne tries to convince him to return to the Circle in a leadership position after finding Aneirin the Healer (because she believes he can change things for the better).