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[Amaldur1]

First let me say that I really enjoyed the game during my first play-through. I thought it was generally well done and, while I encountered a few performance issues, the story was interesting and the NPCs seemed pretty well-developed. Now I have played through the game with a mage and a rogue and tried to do a run-through as a fighter -- didn't find the fighter interesting at all -- and I feel as though I've lost interest already.

Perhaps I am harboring overly rosy memories of BG, BGII, NWN and other games, but I do feel as though this game has much less replay value than I would have expected. On my second run-through I found a few things I'd missed and enjoyed those. By the third run-through I was pretty tired of the exact same situations again. I tried making different choices and was surprised how little difference it makes to the game. I'm feeling as though I'm done with the game already.  I'm not sure I would have even tried to replay it a third time if it weren't for the achievement system, which is really a gimmick. In any event, I'm a bit disappointed with the mileage I'm getting out of the game.

I understand that Bioware is going to keep releasing minor content . I'm not sure I'm going to buy that content, honestly. The game feels oddly limited to me, especially compared to NWN or the BG series. Perhaps it's the classes I'm missing. Perhaps it's that I feel as though I'm on a track. I don't know.

Does anyone else feel the same way? Anyone else have a cure for my boredom with DA:O? Anyone able to expound upon this issue with more eloquence than I can?

[Viglin]

How many hours did you get out of each play through? And did you play as different races with different orgins, or just the same race different class? As for Minor Content...March may debate this with you.

[Eurypterid]

I'd suggest putting the game aside for a time - maybe play something else for a while - and come back to it later. You may find a break will regenerate your enthusiasm, and perhaps by then there will be some DLC that might interest you and give it some freshness. I know that often works for me with games I get bored with (especially if I've played them non-stop for some time).

[Amaldur1]

I didn't count the hours. I played through the entire game twice, so that's about... what... 80 hours, 60 hours, something like that. I then played all the origins stories just to see what they were like. I really liked some of them, others less so, as you would expect.  Every time I get to the second or third area of the game I just start to feel like I've seen it all and know how it's going to go. Further, I feel as though I understand the classes and the choices are not that varied that they will add interest.

Perhaps the problem is that you are really playing all the characters on each run through, in the sense that I am managing a fighter, rogue, and mage no matter which is my "main" character.

I'm disappointed by the replay value, to be sure.

[Yozaro]

Amaldur1 wrote...

I didn't count the hours. I played through the entire game twice, so that's about... what... 80 hours, 60 hours, something like that. I then played all the origins stories just to see what they were like. I really liked some of them, others less so, as you would expect.  Every time I get to the second or third area of the game I just start to feel like I've seen it all and know how it's going to go. Further, I feel as though I understand the classes and the choices are not that varied that they will add interest.

Perhaps the problem is that you are really playing all the characters on each run through, in the sense that I am managing a fighter, rogue, and mage no matter which is my "main" character.

I'm disappointed by the replay value, to be sure.

You mean you played it twice in 60-80 hours? To me it seems that you have just done a few side quests and just followed the main story. Or you were pressing Esc all the time during dialogues...

[Amaldur1]

As I said, I didn't count the hours. I did all the side quests. Read all the dialogue. Chose different options. What is the hour count for 2 play-throughs and a bunch of false starts? That's how many hours I spent.

As to the other replies, I totally agree that the voice acting is top notch, the story is interesting and the game concept is great.

To those suggesting I walk away for a bit, I guess that's right. Too bad. I was hoping for a longer-lasting experience (how often have I heard THAT one! ). Just kidding. Sort of.

Have fun.

Modifié par Amaldur1, 07 janvier 2010 - 09:38 .

[bjdbwea]

Tassiaw wrote...

Tedious gameplay, poorly designed dungeons, campy dialogue... There are a few characters in BG2 that are exempt from the latter, but the rest of them were pretty terrible.

Oh, really? I played BG 2 so often that I still remember everything, and apart from the linear Irenicus dungeon at the beginning, I can't remember "tedious gameplay, poorly designed dungeons, campy dialogue" at all. Sorry, but you can't brush it off as nostalgia, the game really was (is!) that good. In comparison, DA really has much less replay value. The voice acting is great, and the cutscenes nice to watch, but in the end too many of your choices are only illusion - they don't change NPC responses in dialogue, and they have little influence throughout the game. (One of the reasons I prefer ME over DA.)

DA is still one of the best recent RPGs, of course.

[Eurypterid]

Amaldur1 wrote...

I didn't count the hours. I played through the entire game twice, so that's about... what... 80 hours, 60 hours, something like that. I then played all the origins stories just to see what they were like. I really liked some of them, others less so, as you would expect.  Every time I get to the second or third area of the game I just start to feel like I've seen it all and know how it's going to go. Further, I feel as though I understand the classes and the choices are not that varied that they will add interest.

Perhaps the problem is that you are really playing all the characters on each run through, in the sense that I am managing a fighter, rogue, and mage no matter which is my "main" character.

I'm disappointed by the replay value, to be sure.

I switched things up with the mages by taking completely different spell lines on my second run through the game. First run I played a mage and took Morrigan. We both concentrated on AoE spells. Second run I played a dual wield Rogue and took Wynne. Specced her to single target disablers mainly. This run I'm going with another Rogue, but archer this time, and taking Morrigan again. I'll likely grab some spells I've not used yet.

I also used/am using different main companions over the course of the game. First time was Alistair, Morrigan, and Leliana. Second time was Shale, Dog, and Wynne. This time I'm going with Sten, Oghren or Zevran, and Morrigan.

I know that likely isn't enough of a difference for many people, but for me it means a different approach to battles and different tactics, as well as different companion stories and banter, so it's more than enough to satisfy my desire for variation.

[Sisimka]

I remember talking with a friend when I was halfway through my first run of the game and discussing the replay value. We both agreed we'd like to try all the origin stories, but would probably leave it there. Well now I'm finishing up my fourth complete run and about to start my fifth. Why? Honestly, I'm hooked. Although some of the quests are starting to become a little tedious, experiencing them from a different point of view (race/origin) is enough to keep them fresh for me. Little differences keep popping up. Relationships between characters I might not have even suspected existed and yet more moments that have moved me more than a computer game has ever before. Sometimes I just load up and replay a single sequence like the Landsmeet or the Dalish quest, or the Guantlet and play it over and over again to see how many different outcomes and dialogue options there are. I'm down 200 hours to this game and still counting.



But, all that being said, we all have different tastes. If you think you got value for money (80 hours is pretty good - I finished Prince of Persia in closer to 20 and felt totally ripped off), then it's all good.



Personally, had I played it through once and got to the end, I would have been satisfied and felt I'd got my money's worth.

[Mr. Eight]

Don't know if you're much of a role-player while you play your RPGs, but I've played through the game five times, each time as a different origin. I played each character differently. My Human Mage was a free-spirit so to speak and was very much anti-Circle, believing that Mages should be free from all official control. My Human Noble Warrior was a straight shooter, an honourable do-gooder with a great faith in Andraste. My Dalish Elf Rogue was loyal to her people and hostile to Humans and the Chantry for their past actions.



My most fun playthrough by far, though, was my Commoner Dwarf Rogue. I played her VERY nasty (let most people in trouble twist in the wind, demanding rewards for any deeds done), which led to many different results from my previous games. That was a blast. I started writing an outline in my head of how those four characters would interact if they were in a party together...pretty great, really.



Whenever I'm bored with the game I'm currently working on, I just play Earthbound or Planescape: Torment. Works every time.

[Starkle the Fist]

I've played it through once and thoroughly enjoyed it enough to start again. When is the next downloadable content going to be available?

[Amaldur1]

Yeah, I did try to play very different characters. Your story of the dwarf commoner raises a simple but clear example of what I'm lamenting. You meet King Cailan and no matter how rude you are to him he just smiles and shrugs it off. No repercussions at all. No difference in the story or the gameplay. That's a small matter, of course, but even larger matters such as the Dwarf Noble's return to Orzammar are dealt with through just a few off-hand lines of dialogue rather than with meaningful plot differences. Rather emblamatic of the game play in general, I think.

I agree that mages have, by far, the deepest replay potential. Their skills actually demand different strategy. I tried playing one of each type through a bit of the game to see how different it would be. The tactics vary, certainly, toward more damage or crowd control or support or even tanking, but the battles weren't all that different.

Again, a good game. I wish I were on my fifth play-through and still engaged and planning my sixth. I just deleted the game and will take a while away from it. I think. 

[Viglin]

Starkle the Fist wrote...

I've played it through once and thoroughly enjoyed it enough to start again. When is the next downloadable content going to be available?

Return to Ostagar...anyones guess.

The Awakening, March 16th...hopefully.